MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
Yeah I don’t think it’s hard, so much as they dont really want to
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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Yeah I get the feeling they want it to just go away but it obviously never will and they're just dragging
MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
There is absolutely zero reason to have mcleod out there for a second of 3 on 3 OT. You are actively hurting the teams chances of winning.
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beekay414
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MB3
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did you do any research into this? half of those guys already came out with statements, many of them weren’t even in the same country when the events happened.
mcleod’s lack of a statement isn’t an admission of guilt. mcleod’s lack of a QO isn’t a sign of guilt. you think the team knew mcleod was involved, played him all season and then decided “nah the season is over NOW we should take a stance against a sexual predator that we’ve been playing all year”.
it’s embarrassing that there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for his lack of a QO: he wasn’t worth to the devils what he might get in arbitration. but instead you rush to label him a sexual offender.
did I miss the fact that boqvist and bastian were also on canada’s WJC team? crazy, didn’t realize the name Jesper was so canadian.
How brave of him to “admit the possibility”. Everyone has admitted the possibility. He was on the team, there’s a chance it’s him.
Saying the absence of a QO implies it’s any more likely is “drool out of your mouth and drag your knuckles” levels of stupidity.
Lou Bloom
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I don't know if you can read that much into it. All the guys that weren't qualified were borderline candidates at best, outside of maybe McLeod (and we know Fitzgerald is willing to play hardball if need be). Comtois has been legitimately awful the past two seasons, Steel was non tendered last year by Anaheim and Cal Foote hasn't been able to crack a consistent role in the NHL at 24.
Not to mention Connor Timmins and Dante Fabbro signed contracts a few months back and Brett Howden was just tendered despite being on the 2018 Canada roster.
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Wait until he realizes that all of these players were “omg non-tendered at the same time!?1!!1!1!!” because they’re the same f***ing age lmao.
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ZachaFlockaFlame
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Yeah, I mean if the Devils knew something was up and did this to cut bait before something came out then they're a disgusting franchise and all of us should be rightfully pissed as fans that they picked a guy with allegations that turned out to be true behind the scenes but they hid them for the sake of being a good team. But I think what happened was that McLeod priced himself out after a very good playoffs and saw a guy like Kampf get a deal he did but can't fault fans to think about that scenario as well.
None Shall Pass
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Yeah regardless of how you feel about McLeod, Lazar is not as good as him and our center depth sucks. If one of the three noQOs stays, I'd really like it to be McLeod, Hockey Canada stuff notwithstanding.
(The Hockey Canada report is supposed to come out "sometime in the summer".)
Like look at the guys who can play center:
1. Jack
2. Nico
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3. Haula, who may end up stapled to Jack anyway
4. Mercer, who has not been a great center but plays much better on the wing.
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5. McLeod
6. Boqvist if he comes back
7. Lazar
And like no one in the AHL.
(The Hockey Canada report is supposed to come out "sometime in the summer".)
Like look at the guys who can play center:
1. Jack
2. Nico
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3. Haula, who may end up stapled to Jack anyway
4. Mercer, who has not been a great center but plays much better on the wing.
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5. McLeod
6. Boqvist if he comes back
7. Lazar
And like no one in the AHL.
Ripshot 43
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Fitz has done a fantastic job so I trust he knows what he’s doing in regards to the non tendering.
He always seems to have a plan in motion.
He always seems to have a plan in motion.
MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
damn if “this might be WJC related” is what we’re qualifying as repulsive please don’t read any of my post history.
Y’all a mcleod burner account, by chance?
Y’all a mcleod burner account, by chance?
Sure. It’s probably not that. But it’s definitely not definitely not that, you know?
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beekay414
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MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
Acknowledging the truth that someone may have been involved in something hideous is not repulsive. Or at least it’s a lot less repulsive than “until convicted legally we cannot speak about it at all.” I’m just a guy, I’m not even calling him a rapist, I’m just acknowledging he was on that team, and those guys are all a little sketchy to me because of it.
Zippy316
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The only thing repulsive is what happened there.
Formenton, one of the rumored to be involved, was a promising young player who Ottawa just refused to sign following the news breaking. The rest of the guys rumored to be involved were already under contract, so nothing legally could be done without charges/etc.
Just saying there’s a strong possibility the Devils just decide to cut their losses and avoid any potential backfire if they believe/know him to be involved. Of course the arbitration case is also a factor, but you can’t tell me the Devils didn’t also consider this aspect of it.
I genuinely hope he did nothing wrong, but we’d be stupid to ignore this might be a contributing factor.
I don't think you are. He can win the faceoff most often, the absolute most important thing in 3 on 3 OT. He can then leave the ice. He absolutely has the skating ability to keep up in 3 on 3 OT on defense and can force turnovers with his reach.
He can. This isn't Travis Zajac being used in OT in 2019. He shouldn't stay out when his team gets the puck, but 3 on 3 OT is entirely unlike 4 on 4 hockey which is unlike 5 on 5 hockey. A lot of underlying assumptions just don't work.
I don't have the numbers on R v R versus R v L on faceoffs. Absent that, I'd use McLeod on the opening draw in OT if Nico just took the last shift of regulation.
MasterofGrond
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beekay414
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He can't. He has the offensive skill of a potato. It's the same reason why Miles Wood doesn't work in 3 on 3. You need guys that are good with the puck on their sticks in space and can maintain possession and that, for absolute certain, is not Michael McLeod. There is nothing in his game that says he can play 3 on 3 hockey.
And he gets hemmed in on 5 on 5 all the time so there's nothing defensively on his end that tells me he's good enough to play 3 on 3 on that end either.
beekay414
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Absolutely. Another 54% centerman that's not inept with the puck on his stick. We have much better options for 3 on 3 hockey than Michael McLeod. There's just no reason for him to be on the ice in OT barring lines being absolutely gassed.
Csonked Out
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I didn’t expect everyone to care so much about a player like Bastian or McLeod. It’s not like they will be signing with someone the first hour of free agency.
Great! Nowhere did I ever say that McLeod should stay out for a 3 on 3 shift when his team has the puck. He should immediately get to the bench and change. Given how 3v3 is structured, this seldom changes the game state at all - teams still can't pressure the puck carrier sufficiently to make changing on the fly in these spots bad.
Go watch some shifts of 5v5 hockey and 3v3 hockey. It is a totally different game.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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Would be a very disappointing thing, if true. In the sense, if the Devils knew beforehand it should've happened earlier as opposed to when they were doing PR control on it
They will be, signing with the Devils, most likely. Might not even take until the opening of free agency.
Zippy316
aka Zippo
This just isn’t true honestly. McLeod’s biggest drawback offensively is he has the shot of a peewee player.
His biggest asset is his speed, puck carrying, his tenacity, and his defensive game. In theory, that is the exact skill set that is needed in a 3-on-3 overtime period. Not to mention, face offs become even more important in OT which he excels at.
Is he going to be dynamic in a 3-on-3? Absolutely not. Should he be one of the first 5-6-7 options on the Devils? Nope. Could he be effective? I think so.
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