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42:20. Talking about Jack, Nico and the Devils for a good amount of time. Worth the watch!
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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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42:20. Talking about Jack, Nico and the Devils for a good amount of time. Worth the watch!
Lou Bloom
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He’s an RFA, if he asks for a somewhat significant raise you’re not going to sign him as an extra forward.
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JVR is a scoring forward or he’s not useful. I think whoever we go after needs to be useful in a bottom six role. We already have guys like Foote, Holtz, Clarke, and maybe even Boqvist that might get pushed up higher in the line.
I’d rather target Fast types instead of JVR. I know Fast was just resigned but those guys better fit for what we’re looking for.
I think he’s looking at 2/3 years in the 1.25 million range.
Lou Bloom
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I think if they look to add a forward it will be more your traditional checking line forward who can play with McLeod and Bastian.
This might be the dumbest idea I’ve read. I don’t think trading for a worse goalie with more term and money is going to be the move Fitz makes
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This would give Bleed an aneurysm. The way people talk about Gibson is so distorted from reality. The guy has not been good in like half a decade. Maybe there is some truth to Anaheim making him suck and he’d bounceback in a better situation. I’m not taking that risk with that contract.
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Lou Bloom
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Yeah, he doesn't make sense as a target. If the Devils are willing to take a risk and bet on a player, why wouldn't they just bet on Schmid carrying over his play from last year in a consistent role for $6M cheaper?
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Guys, every single goalie target is going to be attached to us until 1) Schmid establishes himself (or V-Tek) or 2) we trade for/sign one. Just the nature of Fitz being outspoken about goal.
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Darkauron
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He’s definitely an NHLer. He’s just another lefty which we do not need.
MachoDiablo
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Man, I picked a hell of a past week to be on vacation.
But I did like driving around this morning and hearing most of the call-ins to NHL radio thinking the Devils weren't likely to make a run to the Final in the next five years.
Poor saps.
But I did like driving around this morning and hearing most of the call-ins to NHL radio thinking the Devils weren't likely to make a run to the Final in the next five years.
Poor saps.
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him at 46:43
"To see them grow as a young core group -- I am so ****ing proud of these guys"
you can tell he means it
SteveCangialosi123
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McLeod and Boqvist then will not be qualified?
Edit: AND BASTIAN?!?!?
Edit x2: I'm guessing I don't understand qualifying offers...what does this mean?
Edit: AND BASTIAN?!?!?
Edit x2: I'm guessing I don't understand qualifying offers...what does this mean?
Better Call Sal
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I wonder if it's because it's more likely they'll just offer contracts to the other 3 since they're more tenured in the NHL at this point.
Just because they don't get qualified doesn't mean they won't sign contracts.
Qualifying offers are the minimum amount you have to offer a player on a 1-year deal for them to retain RFA status. Otherwise they become UFA’s (but you can still sign them). You have to offer them about 10% above what they made last year. They may also get an extra year, but without the raise.
I’m sure they are trying to sign a couple and seeing if they can get them below that 10% threshold. They may take it rather than risk losing a seat in the giant musical chairs game.
Eggtimer
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Maybe we are going to get Helle and extend him… roll with Lazar Foote Clarke as a 4th line cheap as hell so we can fit Helle in??? Pure speculation but I can’t see us not qualifying at least McLeod unkess the team Canada thjng is true
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MauDevils
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Very confused. Their QOs are peanuts. Is this just a tactic from Fitz?
I'd imagine McLeod would easily get more as a UFA than we would give him.
I'd imagine McLeod would easily get more as a UFA than we would give him.
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I don't disagree that this past year's Ducks were the one of the worst defensive teams I've ever seen. Eakins is a JOKE head coach and not sure why he even got another head coaching job after Edmonton. But this is now Gibson's fourth bad year in a row. I don't think he was any worse last year than he was 3 years ago, adjusted for league averages changing. Some models did flatter him. He was not quite as bad on evolving hockey's models this past year as moneypuck. He was a minus, but only a -2.31 GSAx. On moneypuck they have him at a -11.5 GSAx.
Now, to be fair, they were a pretty bad team in 18-19 and I was preaching it on here and people were still overrating that team, because they were really only about a little over a year from going to the conference finals. And Gibson was still really, really good that year.
I don't know, his decline reminds me too much of Cory's and that's not the first time I've said this on here. Only Gibson was 26 when his decline started, whereas Cory was about 30.
A lot of people have argued that maybe he's mentally checked out there playing for that dumpster fire and maybe he very well is, but the ego's of Ducks fans last summer that argued that he would help the Leafs and look a lot better there. And not only did they try to sell the Leafs on him, but they also argued that the Leafs should send back something(s) of VALUE to take his contract that had 5 years left at over $6 million per for a 29 year old goalie that has been below league average for three years in a row. Now it's been four years in a row and he's turning 30.
One other thing to think about with Gibson and I don't believe this is true of last year, but 2 of the last 4 years since he's been below average, goalies on his team have outplayed him. Granted, they aren't playing nearly the same number of games as him, so this could also be like how Corey Schwab and Yann Danis post better numbers than Marty, with a very, very miniscule numbers of games played/minutes played in a year, but those guys played more than Schwab/Danis those years. I think it was 19-20 when a 39 year old Ryan Miller (again, in significantly fewer games/minutes played) posted significantly better numbers than Gibson, as did Stolarz in 21-22.
for thus past season, moneypuck and evolving hockey have Stolarz having a better GSAx (breaking exactly even on moneypuck and a +2.23 on evolving hockey, despite a worse save percentage than Gibson. Dostal was also just right around below breaking even on moneypuck. Both only played 19 games to Gibson's 53.
So in conclusion, if people/Ducks fans wanna argue that their team is so bad it makes Gibson look worse, then okay, maybe he's still not that good though because a late 20's journeyman and raw prospect are not really performing any worse than he is. I know, grain of salt, as they don't play nowhere near as many games or minutes. Just saying though.
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We can still sign Bastian and McLeod, it will just be for lower than their qualifying offer.
We did it with both Merrill and Smith-Pelly in 2017. Neither were given their qualifying offers, but both were re-signed to lesser money deals. We still wound up buying out the second year of DSP the next summer. And Vegas took Merrill in the expansion draft.
I think both will be re-signed, although it wouldn't be the most shocking thing I've ever seen if one of them isn't back, but I would be flabbergasted if neither were back and I'd be pretty surprised if both weren't back.
Maybe we do let Boqvist go? Not sure. We'll probably bring 2 of them back. if not all 3 of them.
I'm at least glad Fitz isn't overpaying these guys, which was something I was worried about. I'd like to keep all 3 if possible, but some of the money myself and others were speculating they would possibly get next year was more than I'm comfortable with and not worth capping out on.
We did it with both Merrill and Smith-Pelly in 2017. Neither were given their qualifying offers, but both were re-signed to lesser money deals. We still wound up buying out the second year of DSP the next summer. And Vegas took Merrill in the expansion draft.
I think both will be re-signed, although it wouldn't be the most shocking thing I've ever seen if one of them isn't back, but I would be flabbergasted if neither were back and I'd be pretty surprised if both weren't back.
Maybe we do let Boqvist go? Not sure. We'll probably bring 2 of them back. if not all 3 of them.
I'm at least glad Fitz isn't overpaying these guys, which was something I was worried about. I'd like to keep all 3 if possible, but some of the money myself and others were speculating they would possibly get next year was more than I'm comfortable with and not worth capping out on.
Better Call Sal
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I could have sworn Fitz mentioned in the Timo call, I believe, that some of the RFA's qualifying offers might be a bit higher than they'd like so it might open discussions there. It's not the exact verbiage of how he expressed it, but I recall him making mention of that.
I think the problem ishat they're arbitration eligible. We don't want an arbitration result that screws our cap up. We want certainty going into free agency possibly to get Helle
Fitz is trying to nail down extensions before the deadline, and will only QO if no deal reached.
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