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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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If Tatar truly didn't have better options I'd take him back but at that point you really do just have to trade some more of the bottom 6 guys cause they won't see the ice.
 
WT said:
Might be a better option to let Boqvist (if not traded soon) flourish on what'd be his best line to date (a combination of Haula and one of Mercer Tofolli or Bratt)
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It's not. If you were actually able to get Tatar for that cheap (you won't be) then it's a no brainer. Tatar blows Boqvist out of the water and even if Boqvist gets a whole hell of a lot better it's still not close. He's not going to turn out to be some guy that I'm concerned about losing because he's young and could end up being irreplaceable. I'd much rather have the far better player in Tatar in the short term, lose Boqvist, and then find some replacement in the future. I don't even want Boqvist in the top 9. I think he should be the 4LW.
 
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Goaltending is the only question mark. Vanecek Schmid is a huge blind spot.
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Goaltending is a question mark for like 25 teams in the league and one of them just won a Cup.

In Fitz we probably have to trust whatever he decides at this point. I'm fine moneyballing our goaltending for a while, I'd also be fine with Hellebuyck on a rental deal. It's the whole long-term extension thing I'm not too crazy about. That 'daily' comment suggests there is a lot of smoke around the Helle for rental rumors, but I don't see what other option is out there that's a clear upgrade over our guys.
 
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Hisch13r said:
It's not. If you were actually able to get Tatar for that cheap (you won't be) then it's a no brainer. Tatar blows Boqvist out of the water and even if Boqvist gets a whole hell of a lot better it's still not close. He's not going to turn out to be some guy that I'm concerned about losing because he's young and could end up being irreplaceable. I'd much rather have the far better player in Tatar in the short term, lose Boqvist, and then find some replacement in the future. I don't even want Boqvist in the top 9. I think he should be the 4LW.
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While I agree Boqvist is worse than Tatar today, its not unreasonable to think he can replicate 40ish points at about a million less. Plus itd increase his trade value

Id welcome Tatar back but in that case Id want Boqvist moved; he isnt a fourth liner IMO, or at least hes not better served in that role than Lazar or Foote
 
NJDevs26 said:
Goaltending is a question mark for like 25 teams in the league and one of them just won a Cup.

In Fitz we probably have to trust whatever he decides at this point. I'm fine moneyballing our goaltending for a while, I'd also be fine with Hellebuyck on a rental deal. It's the whole long-term extension thing I'm not too crazy about.
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The long-term extension is the sweet spot during this eventual cap-rise, though I also am hesitant based on nothing but worry of an early injury

Though Hellebyuck clearly wont stay for the entire duration; a 2028 1st can be attatched later down the line lol

I dont mind him as a rental - dont think we can afford Saros via trade
 
WT said:
While I agree Boqvist is worse than Tatar today, its not unreasonable to think he can replicate 40ish points at about a million less. Plus itd increase his trade value

Id welcome Tatar back but in that case Id want Boqvist moved; he isnt a fourth liner IMO, or at least hes not better served in that role than Lazar or Foote
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I don't care if he can give you similar production (I also don't think he can). The 1 mil in cap wouldn't match the VAST playdriving difference.

I don't think Boqvist is good enough offensively or overall to be a good 3rd liner. He's turned into a good defensive forward and forechecker. I'd rather have him as the 4LW over Lazar. The jury is still out on Foote. As of now I'd take Boqvist.

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If it ends up being like a bit of a raise on what he's currently making for a few years then it could make sense.
 
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I don't care if he can give you similar production (I also don't think he can). The 1 mil in cap wouldn't match the VAST playdriving difference.

I don't think Boqvist is good enough offensively or overall to be a good 3rd liner. He's turned into a good defensive forward and forechecker. I'd much rather have him as the 4LW over Lazar. The jury is still out on Foote. As of now I'd take Boqvist.
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If Boqvist, for example, was paired with Haula and Tofolli hed be able to playdrive a bit; at minimum hed be the fastest lol. He has some wheels and also some playmaking

Luckily its a good problem to have
 
Unknown Caller said:
Goaltending is the only question mark. Vanecek Schmid is a huge blind spot.
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How is it any more of a blind spot than the tandem of Vanecek Blackwood that we went into last season with? Or the Schneider (after 3 straight BAD decline years and being 33 years old) Blackwood tandem of 2019 that Shero had the audacity to think we could actually compete with?
 
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NJDevs26 said:
Goaltending is a question mark for like 25 teams in the league and one of them just won a Cup.

In Fitz we probably have to trust whatever he decides at this point. I'm fine moneyballing our goaltending for a while, I'd also be fine with Hellebuyck on a rental deal. It's the whole long-term extension thing I'm not too crazy about. That 'daily' comment suggests there is a lot of smoke around the Helle for rental rumors, but I don't see what other option is out there that's a clear upgrade over our guys.
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So majority of the time it doesn’t work out with the no name goalie is what your saying.
 
Hisch13r said:
If it ends up being like a bit of a raise on what he's currently making for a few years then it could make sense.
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Devs3cups said:
If Toffoli meshes well with the group, I don't see why we couldn't offer him a 2~ year deal. He shouldn't be too expensive.
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Luke Hughes will have new deal after two years. We have a couple of years before Gritsyuk will land on the east coast. Than we can trade retained Palat, trade Toffoli etc
 
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JrFischer54 said:
Hence people have to stop worrying about trading for a “rental” if the team trades for one and want to keep the player long term then it will probably happen.
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I haven’t really seen many people worried about rentals. Almost everyone loved the Toffoli deal. A lot of people are on board with Hellebuyck as a rental if the trade price is right. What people don’t want is signing 30+ guys to long deals
 
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