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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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Zippy316 said:
Perhaps, but I highly doubt whoever they sign is going to be a serious NHL option.

A guy like Sestito or Ben Street is likely. For the most part, the NHL spots are likely full.

At the moment, with Meier, Boqvist, Bastian, and McLeod signed, there’s two spots open. Probably will be whoever wins a spot out of the Holtz, Clarke, Foote, Thompson, and Halonen group.
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Foote will definitely be on the opening roster whether he has a good camp or not. 1 open spot that will either go to Holtz or a UFA is how I see it. Maybe Clarke if he has a much better camp than Holtz
 
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I was hoping that Timo Meier would sign for 8 million per season, but I think Pierre-Luc Dubois set the market yesterday with the 8 year 8.5 million per season. So at minimum Meier should get 8.5 and perhaps a little more. I am pretty confident that the Toffoli trade yesterday ended the Hellebuyck coming to Jersey talk unless the cap goes up this season. I don't see how the numbers work with McLeod, Bastian, Boqvist and Bahl still waiting to be signed.

Career numbers:

Timo Meier 472-163-167-330 .699 points per game
Pierre-Luc Dubois 434-129-173-302 .695 points per game
 
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Team Concept said:
I was hoping that Timo Meier would sign for 8 million per season, but I think Pierre-Luc Dubois set the market yesterday with the 8 year 8.5 million per season. So at minimum Meier should get 8.5 and perhaps a little more. I am pretty confident that the Toffoli trade yesterday ended the Hellebuyck coming to Jersey talk unless the cap goes up this season. I don't see how the numbers work with McLeod, Bastian, Boqvist and Bahl still waiting to be signed.

Career numbers:

Timo Meier 472-163-167-330 .699 points per game
Pierre-Luc Dubois 434-129-173-302 .695 points per game
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Looking at their entire career numbers makes no sense and I’m not sure why people do that. PLD had a really good start to his NHL career which is a big part of why he’s continusouly overrated based on reputation. Hasn’t progressed all that much since early career.

Last 3 seasons:
Meier: 173 in 209= 0.828
PLD: 143 in 195= 0.733

Meier is also a better goalscorer. 0.416 vs 0.323 in the last 3 seasons.

So Meier is a notably better offensive producer. PLD being a center gives him a bit of an advantage but he’s also overpaid. A player of his caliber shouldn’t be getting 8.5M.
 
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Team Concept said:
I was hoping that Timo Meier would sign for 8 million per season, but I think Pierre-Luc Dubois set the market yesterday with the 8 year 8.5 million per season. So at minimum Meier should get 8.5 and perhaps a little more. I am pretty confident that the Toffoli trade yesterday ended the Hellebuyck coming to Jersey talk unless the cap goes up this season. I don't see how the numbers work with McLeod, Bastian, Boqvist and Bahl still waiting to be signed.

Career numbers:

Timo Meier 472-163-167-330 .699 points per game
Pierre-Luc Dubois 434-129-173-302 .695 points per game
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19 million in cap space with 8 forwards, 5 defenders, and VV/Schmid.

8.5 to Meier
1.5 to McLeod
3.5 to sign Bastian, Bahl, and Boqvist

5.5 million in cap space remaining with 12 forwards, 6 defenders, and VV/Schmid. Remaining spots open would be a 3RD (or Nemec) and two extra forwards (could be Holtz/Clarke/Foote).

If Vanecek goes the other way in a Hellebucyk trade, it’s a net cap increase of 2.7 million. So it’s definitely doable, just unlikely. I think the team is better off signing a Gudas for 3 million and going into the season with a nice buffer.
 
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Emperoreddy said:
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Was kind of a long time at this point but I remember someone sharing one of these I think earlier this season that was truly startling to see. Looked almost like the B-side of a preseason game where they split the team in half because both sides are playing in the same night. Anybody have that? If you can imagine it was a lot less talented than the lineup above
 
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As others have said, my guess total value and years have been agreed to. Probably negotiating over structure (and that may be close) and clauses.

May take a few days given there isn’t a time crunch right now. Knowing the basics at the draft allows them move forward with other business at the same time
 
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jkrdevil said:
As others have said, my guess total value and years have been agreed to. Probably negotiating over structure (and that may be close) and clauses.

May take a few days given there isn’t a time crunch right now. Knowing the basics at the draft allows them move forward with other business at the same time
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Agreed. Maybe there is still some small quibbling on dollars based on how many years of NTC or trade lists of 10 teams versus 15 teams, but nothing that could wreck the deal at this point.
 
R8Devs said:
I think re-signing the remaining RFAs will have the devils around 1.5-2.5m in space with this roster:

Bratt-Hughes-Toffoli
Meier-Hischier-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
Boqvist-Mcleod-Bastian
Foote-Lazar

Siegenthaler-Hamilton
Hughes-Marino
Bahl-Nemec
Smith

Schmid
Vanacek

There is 5m in potential performance bonuses so this amount of cap space will give them a nice cushion for that even though I doubt that it will be anywhere near that in actuality and allows them to accrue cap space for any in-season additions. But also enough space for a depth player add as well.
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That would prolly be my ideal forward lineup as well given the current personnel. Could swap around that 4LW between Boqvist/Foote/Lazar, although I am not convinced Boqvist will still be on the team come October.
 
Zippy316 said:
19 million in cap space with 8 forwards, 5 defenders, and VV/Schmid.

8.5 to Meier
1.5 to McLeod
3.5 to sign Bastian, Bahl, and Boqvist

5.5 million in cap space remaining with 12 forwards, 6 defenders, and VV/Schmid. Remaining spots open would be a 3RD (or Nemec) and two extra forwards (could be Holtz/Clarke/Foote).

If Vanecek goes the other way in a Hellebucyk trade, it’s a net cap increase of 2.7 million. So it’s definitely doable, just unlikely. I think the team is better off signing a Gudas for 3 million and going into the season with a nice buffer.
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At this point, I think all that's needed is signing a 3RD for close to league min and a #3 goalie who can at least start in the AHL (but ideally waivers exempt). Give Nemec a shot to win 3RD. See who takes the reins of the Schmid / Vanecek duo.

Between injuries and inconsistent performances from young players, there's a lot of different ways this season could go. Trading UFAs / RFAs to get back assets makes sense. But, beyond that, I think Fitz should hold tight and see how the season plays out.
 
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Captain3rdLine said:
Looking at their entire career numbers makes no sense and I’m not sure why people do that. PLD had a really good start to his NHL career which is a big part of why he’s continusouly overrated based on reputation. Hasn’t progressed all that much since early career.

Last 3 seasons:
Meier: 173 in 209= 0.828
PLD: 143 in 195= 0.733

Meier is also a better goalscorer. 0.416 vs 0.323 in the last 3 seasons.

So Meier is a notably better offensive producer. PLD being a center gives him a bit of an advantage but he’s also overpaid. A player of his caliber shouldn’t be getting 8.5M.
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Lets look at the last two seasons:

Meier: 155 games 75 goals 67 assists
PLD: 154 games 55 goals 68 assists

All I am saying is that if PLD gets 8.5 million per year at minimum Meier deserves that and perhaps a bit more. It impacts our ability to add Hellebuyck or anything else that we might need during the regular season.
 
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TF1970 said:
That would prolly be my ideal forward lineup as well given the current personnel. Could swap around that 4LW between Boqvist/Foote/Lazar, although I am not convinced Boqvist will still be on the team come October.
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The lines will shift but that's just the course of the regular season and the Devils also have the most back to backs in the league with 16 and then there's also injuries on top of that. Devils don't have much room on the roster but I hope the sign an AHL guy or two akin to Chase De Leo a couple seasons ago who could play spot duty in the regular season but really help out Utica at the same time.

I think guys like Boqvist, Holtz, Clarke, Foote are most likely to be kept because the team needs cheap depth.
 
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Team Concept said:
Lets look at the last two seasons:

Meier: 155 games 75 goals 67 assists
PLD: 154 games 55 goals 68 assists

All I am saying is that if PLD gets 8.5 million per year at minimum Meier deserves that and perhaps a bit more. It impacts our ability to add Hellebuyck or anything else that we might need during the regular season.
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Bratt: 158 games 58 goals 88 assists

This would imply that PLD should be under Bratt. It's not like PLD is the only comp for Meier.
 
Devils Trap said:
I worry about that 3 RD spot going to a rookie. Could blow up in our faces so I wouldnt mind a cheap vet like Eric Johnson or someone there
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Johnson sucks at this point. It should be filled but it should be filled with someone who can actually still go
 
Zippy316 said:
19 million in cap space with 8 forwards, 5 defenders, and VV/Schmid.

8.5 to Meier
1.5 to McLeod
3.5 to sign Bastian, Bahl, and Boqvist

5.5 million in cap space remaining with 12 forwards, 6 defenders, and VV/Schmid. Remaining spots open would be a 3RD (or Nemec) and two extra forwards (could be Holtz/Clarke/Foote).

If Vanecek goes the other way in a Hellebucyk trade, it’s a net cap increase of 2.7 million. So it’s definitely doable, just unlikely. I think the team is better off signing a Gudas for 3 million and going into the season with a nice buffer.
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I've got
McLeod at 2.5
Boqvist at 1.5
Bastian at 2.0
Bahl at 2.0
That is 8 mil. You are at only 5 mil for the above players. I'll eat my hat if those are the numbers.
 
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