Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

[FinnishDevil]

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[Mgd31]

I don't know if I'd call it him naturally being passive. I don't think he tries to play passively. He just doesn't think the game well enough to put himself in the right spots to be anything but passive. When you are constantly out of position and incapable of reading defenses, you will look passive because you are thinking the game two steps behind everyone else. It's the same reason people think he's a bad skater. He's not a bad skater (he's about average), but because he's constantly out of position, he never gets to effectively use his skating.

I hate to bring up some bad apples, but there's a pretty bad trend of players who get drafted really high solely because of their shot turning into, at the bare minimum, dissappointments. Kieffer Bellows, Owen Tippett, Oliver Wahlstrom, Alex Holtz. The guys who haven't had infinitely better all around games and have translated extremely well, namely Cole Caufield and Jack Quinn. Both of those players not only arguably had the best shots in the draft, but had quick releases and could score in a variety of ways. They were the best goal scorers. It is way more important to be a good goal scorer than a good shooter. Being a good shooter means nothing unless you really know how to use your shot. It's easy to light it up in Juniors having a crazy shot because you will naturally have more lanes open up because of worse defense and easier goalies to score on. Doesn't really help with developing that game sense for creating shots for yourself at a higher level.

This is a very good post about Holtz. Look at Mercer. Is he a great skater? Not at all, probably not even better than Holtz. But he looks so much faster out there because he processes the game so much better than Holtz

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Interested to see what Fitzmagic can get. I’m gonna guess one of Chicago’s extra picks — they probably want some NHL talent for Bedard to play with. Chicago has an extra 1st, 3 extra 2nds, and an extra 3rd.

also in there, Lebrun says that NJ might be willing to trade for Hellebyuck without an extension in place. I don't think we'd heard that before. Hmm...

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Connor Hellebuyck’s next contract will come with a new team. He’s not re-signing in Winnipeg.

One team showing interest in the No. 3 player on our trade board is New Jersey, but it all depends on the price of a new contract. The Devils are a progressive front office that just saw unheralded Adin Hill win the Cup with Vegas. Some don’t love the idea of spending big money on a goalie. They may be willing to do the deal without an extension, but that would lessen the package the Jets would get back.

 

[Hisch13r]

also in there, Lebrun says that NJ might be willing to trade for Hellebyuck without an extension in place. I don't think we'd heard that before. Hmm...

We hadn’t really heard much besides that we were interested in trading for him and we were a team he’d sign with

 

[Devs3cups]

I get a feeling today’s the day!

 

[Bcap88]

I just find it hard to fill in helle with the pending timo contract on the horizon

 

[NJDevs26]

I mean there is a chance we could get him as a rental if nobody else is willing to meet his extension price I suppose, but I’m not holding my breath on that.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Sharangovich, Vanecek, and the 3rd from the Sevs trade for Hellebyuck (un-signed)?

 

[FinnishDevil]

I get a feeling today’s the day!

I ate tacos today.

 

[Bcap88]

Sharangovich, Vanecek, and the 3rd from the Sevs trade for Hellebyuck (un-signed)?

I mean yea sign it up but

I’m not sure what Winnipeg is going to ask for

 

[Hisch13r]

I mean yea sign it up but

I’m not sure what Winnipeg is going to ask for

I was talking to some Jets fans the other day on the trade board and they said like Vitek, Yegor, Holtz/Casey is something they’d be into. No clue what Chevy’s thinking

 

[MauDevils]

I'd imagine they will get a very nice return for Hellebuyck. An elite goalie for 3 million cap hit (at 50%). Every team can fit that in. Easily worth a 1st + B asset for one playoff run alone.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Sharangovich, Vanecek, and the 3rd from the Sevs trade for Hellebyuck (un-signed)?

Schmid might be better than Bucky as soon as this year.

Is anyone even entertaining the idea of signing a 30 year old goaltender to a contract of any length > 5 years... At $9m? This guy has never been Vasilevskiy and when the defense in front of him isn't great he kinda folds. Especially in the playoffs.

We all saw Vegas win with Hill.

But what about all of the other teams that almost did it with the Andersen's, Raantas, Skinners, Lyons, grubauer, Brossoit, Korpisalo, Woll, Wedgewood, Copley etc.

The likely Vezina guy and Shesterkin and sorokin out in round 1.

 

[Xirik]

Can a sniper have as good of a shot if they play on their offwing?

Right now we have Bratt and Mercer higher in the RW lineup and I don't see Holtz supplanting them. Our 3rd line Center was a mystery every game last year since Haula is playing with Hughes. Who is going to Center the 3rd line? Boqvist? Mcleod? Do you think Holtz can live up to his potential with them centering the line?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Schmid might be better than Bucky as soon as this year.

Is anyone even entertaining the idea of signing a 30 year old goaltender to a contract of any length > 5 years... At $9m? This guy has never been Vasilevskiy and when the defense in front of him isn't great he kinda folds. Especially in the playoffs.

We all saw Vegas win with Hill.

But what about all of the other teams that almost did it with the Andersen's, Raantas, Skinners, Lyons, grubauer, Brossoit, Korpisalo, Woll, Wedgewood, Copley etc.

The likely Vezina guy and Shesterkin and sorokin out in round 1.

did you miss the (un-signed) part of my post, or?

 

[Mgd31]

Seems like a lot of Hellebuyck smoke to us and only us at this point

 

[My3Sons]

Interested to see what Fitzmagic can get. I’m gonna guess one of Chicago’s extra picks — they probably want some NHL talent for Bedard to play with. Chicago has an extra 1st, 3 extra 2nds, and an extra 3rd.

I’ll take it. We can have a great draft with all those picks.

 

[Hisch13r]

Can a sniper have as good of a shot if they play on their offwing?

Right now we have Bratt and Mercer higher in the RW lineup and I don't see Holtz supplanting them. Our 3rd line Center was a mystery every game last year since Haula is playing with Hughes. Who is going to Center the 3rd line? Boqvist? Mcleod? Do you think Holtz can live up to his potential with them centering the line?

You have better shooting options on your off wing. Bratt plays both wings. It’s not like he’s locked into the RW.

 

[billingtons ghost]

did you miss the (un-signed) part of my post, or?

I saw it.. But what are you going to do? Move him against his wishes or you are advocating that for just a pure rental? I guess I misunderstood and thought you were just saying we'd pay less pieces and have Fitz work magic to talk him down.

Who knows with him coming out to say he wants to come here... That leverage might help get it done with the pkg you propose.

 

[Hisch13r]

Schmid might be better than Bucky as soon as this year.

Is anyone even entertaining the idea of signing a 30 year old goaltender to a contract of any length > 5 years... At $9m? This guy has never been Vasilevskiy and when the defense in front of him isn't great he kinda folds. Especially in the playoffs.

We all saw Vegas win with Hill.

But what about all of the other teams that almost did it with the Andersen's, Raantas, Skinners, Lyons, grubauer, Brossoit, Korpisalo, Woll, Wedgewood, Copley etc.

The likely Vezina guy and Shesterkin and sorokin out in round 1.

I’d be absolutely floored if Schmid was better than Hellebuyck. Hellebuyck is one of the very few actual great goalies. You’re underrating him. The defense in front of him has sucked for years and he’s consistently been very good to great. Schmid is 23 with under 30 games last year. He could just as easily flame out as be a good starter and the odds of him flaming out are definitely far higher than him being as good Hellebuyck

Am I giving him some mega deal? No but he is actually elite

 

[My3Sons]

I saw it.. But what are you going to do? Move him against his wishes or you are advocating that for just a pure rental? I guess I misunderstood and thought you were just saying we'd pay less pieces and have Fitz work magic to talk him down.

Blackwood thr rights to Graves and Wood and Reilly Walsh for Hellyebuck and a first. How can they say no to that?

 

[Hisch13r]

I’ll take it. We can have a great draft with all those picks.

Pls replenish the forward prospects and give us some actual center prospects. We’re quite bare up front at this point and there’s basically nothing in the middle

 

[billingtons ghost]

I’d be absolutely floored if Schmid was better than Hellebuyck. Hellebuyck is one of the very few actual great goalies. You’re underrating him. The defense in front of him has sucked for years and he’s consistently been very good to great. Schmid is 23 with under 30 games last year. He could just as easily flame out as be a good starter and the odds of him flaming out are definitely far higher than him being as good Hellebuyck

Am I giving him some mega deal? No but he is actually elite

You're prob right and I'm under rating him, but
I was thinking from a mega deal perspective alone... Not a one year rental.

I don't care about what we send back... I just don't want to spend that$$ on a goalie unless he can carry us like Shesterkin or Sorokin and his .886 this year and 2020 and the fact he's 30 makes me think he can't

 

[glenwo2]

 

[My3Sons]

Burr was on an MLB broadcast and mocked the umpire as looking like Ruff and told a story that Ruff was a a fake tough guy when he played. “Gentleman on the road and Ruff at home”. It was somewhat funny and I’m sure Lindy is just having fun with it.