I still am curious as to where holtz fits into this coming seasons lineup plans. Do they have him penciled in at 3RW? Utica again? Or is there a trade he’s in this summer?
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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On his way to WPG for Helle lol
No, but seriously....I don't really know. The fit is still kind of questionable all the way around
I really hope he makes the team and does well. Devils desperately need another right handed shot with skill. Hoping he can still develop to what everyone thought he could be when he was drafted.
He is the devils best trade bait though most here have soured on him.
Mgd31
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No idea. If we don’t bring bring back Tatar and Sharangovich then he has a space in the lineup. But I’m sure Fitzgerald will try and add another middle 6 forward if that’s the case.
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The fit is nowhere near questionable. There is a need for a top-6 winger. There is a need for a shot-first guy with a cannon. The fit is impeccable.
The talent is questionable all the way around. I'm losing hope, too, which I hate to do. But unless someone can point me towards a recent example of a guy going from "cannot even stay up on the big club" to "top-6 goal scoring winger!" in their D+3 / D+4 year, the 'b' word has to start being whispered.
(rubs picture of draft crush Seth Jarvis)
MasterofGrond
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Tage Thompson only kept getting NHL games because the Sabres sucked ass, and now he's considered one of the better centers in the NHL.
It doesn't happen that often, but it happens.
SteveCangialosi123
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They tried Palat-Hughes-Holtz last preseason. It would be a huge boost for this team if he started to live up to his potential.
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That would assume he's coming in as a top 6 player, which I doubt. I also don't know that he's a good fit with rush heavy lines at the top. And I don't know what he's going to look like in a bottom 6 role.
So yeah, I have questions on the fit all the way around.
I could envision a third line of Palat-?-Holtz. A potential name I’ve thought of for ? is Christian Dvorak.
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I don't find Dvorak to be overly cost efficient for the team right now. I'd prefer that Haula be the 3c. I don't mind pushing him up to Jack's wing here and there, but I don't want that to be the default setting.
MasterofGrond
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Couple other guys that really came on after bouncing around some:
Owen Tippett
Gabriel Vilardi
I'm sure there's more of them, I only looked at a couple drafts.
Owen Tippett
Gabriel Vilardi
I'm sure there's more of them, I only looked at a couple drafts.
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I'm not adding in a pick unless that first round pick is pretty high.
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Holtz’s 2023 summer workouts are going to say a lot when it comes to his NHL future. Hopefully he is working on taking his first step to the next level, so he can keep up with these guys.
Guess I'm way more down on Holtz then you. I would expect a 18-28 range pick for him with that deal.
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Honestly, I don't even mind the skating all that much...you can find a way to structure lines that it's not the biggest issue...but it feels like Holtz is very, very passive to me.
To put it bluntly...Holtz kind of feels like he doesn't have that dog in him.
pretty much the same for me. Just seems like he doesn't fit the current teams with how its structured. He definitely could thrive elsewhere but just not here.
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Guess I'm way more down on Holtz then you. I would expect a 18-28 range pick for him with that deal.
Pick 18 becomes a little more interesting...but something like pick 24? I mean, I'd rather just gamble on pick 58 and holtz versus a guy I'd pick at that spot, tbh.
Is someone like Quentin Musty worth Holtz + Myatovic? I feel like I'd just prefer to gamble on the latter.
MasterofGrond
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I honestly just think we need to give Holtz some run. Let him get comfortable, play every night, get some chemistry going since he's not a solo line driver.
He's been good enough in the A that I think there's something there. Guys as good as he's been in the A as young as he is in the A (and who aren't like 5'6) tend to be playable at least at the NHL level.
He's been good enough in the A that I think there's something there. Guys as good as he's been in the A as young as he is in the A (and who aren't like 5'6) tend to be playable at least at the NHL level.
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If we compare him to a Mercer type player, he definitely doesn’t. Hopefully he just needs playing time to adjust and it can bring more of that out of him with the experience.
MasterofGrond
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I don't think he's going to be a first liner, but I think he can be a middle 6 guy, bang in something like 25-25 if he gets a little PP time, and bring a little sniper energy this team lacks.
SteveCangialosi123
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Alex Holtz will have a good, productive career as a New Jersey Devil.
Definitely not for Musty, If one of Wood, Honzek, Richie, or Daniil But would still be around in that 18-23 range then I would definitely pull the trigger.
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I have no interest whatsoever in trading Holtz for a draft pick
if you told me we could trade him in a deal for a player that will help the team now, I'd listen but trading him for a mid to late 1st makes zero sense.
if you told me we could trade him in a deal for a player that will help the team now, I'd listen but trading him for a mid to late 1st makes zero sense.
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