Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

Status
Not open for further replies.
I still am curious as to where holtz fits into this coming seasons lineup plans. Do they have him penciled in at 3RW? Utica again? Or is there a trade he’s in this summer?
 
I still am curious as to where holtz fits into this coming seasons lineup plans. Do they have him penciled in at 3RW? Utica again? Or is there a trade he’s in this summer?
I really hope he makes the team and does well. Devils desperately need another right handed shot with skill. Hoping he can still develop to what everyone thought he could be when he was drafted.

He is the devils best trade bait though most here have soured on him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Carousel
I still am curious as to where holtz fits into this coming seasons lineup plans. Do they have him penciled in at 3RW? Utica again? Or is there a trade he’s in this summer?
No idea. If we don’t bring bring back Tatar and Sharangovich then he has a space in the lineup. But I’m sure Fitzgerald will try and add another middle 6 forward if that’s the case.
 
On his way to WPG for Helle lol

No, but seriously....I don't really know. The fit is still kind of questionable all the way around
The fit is nowhere near questionable. There is a need for a top-6 winger. There is a need for a shot-first guy with a cannon. The fit is impeccable.

The talent is questionable all the way around. I'm losing hope, too, which I hate to do. But unless someone can point me towards a recent example of a guy going from "cannot even stay up on the big club" to "top-6 goal scoring winger!" in their D+3 / D+4 year, the 'b' word has to start being whispered.

(rubs picture of draft crush Seth Jarvis)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nico Hischier
The fit is nowhere near questionable. There is a need for a top-6 winger. There is a need for a shot-first guy with a cannon. The fit is impeccable.

The talent is questionable all the way around. I'm losing hope, too, which I hate to do. But unless someone can point me towards a recent example of a guy going from "cannot even stay up on the big club" to "top-6 goal scoring winger!" in their D+3 / D+4 year, the 'b' word has to start being whispered.

(rubs picture of draft crush Seth Jarvis)
Tage Thompson only kept getting NHL games because the Sabres sucked ass, and now he's considered one of the better centers in the NHL.

It doesn't happen that often, but it happens.
 
The fit is nowhere near questionable. There is a need for a top-6 winger. There is a need for a shot-first guy with a cannon. The fit is impeccable.

The talent is questionable all the way around. I'm losing hope, too, which I hate to do. But unless someone can point me towards a recent example of a guy going from "cannot even stay up on the big club" to "top-6 goal scoring winger!" in their D+3 / D+4 year, the 'b' word has to start being whispered.

(rubs picture of draft crush Seth Jarvis)
That would assume he's coming in as a top 6 player, which I doubt. I also don't know that he's a good fit with rush heavy lines at the top. And I don't know what he's going to look like in a bottom 6 role.

So yeah, I have questions on the fit all the way around.
 
  • Like
Reactions: beekay414
That would assume he's coming in as a top 6 player, which I doubt. I also don't know that he's a good fit with rush heavy lines at the top. And I don't know what he's going to look like in a bottom 6 role.

So yeah, I have questions on the fit all the way around.
I could envision a third line of Palat-?-Holtz. A potential name I’ve thought of for ? is Christian Dvorak.
 
Couple other guys that really came on after bouncing around some:

Owen Tippett
Gabriel Vilardi

I'm sure there's more of them, I only looked at a couple drafts.
 
Holtz’s 2023 summer workouts are going to say a lot when it comes to his NHL future. Hopefully he is working on taking his first step to the next level, so he can keep up with these guys.
 
Holtz’s 2023 summer workouts are going to say a lot when it comes to his NHL future. Hopefully he is working on taking his first step to the next level, so he can keep up with these guys.

Honestly, I don't even mind the skating all that much...you can find a way to structure lines that it's not the biggest issue...but it feels like Holtz is very, very passive to me.

To put it bluntly...Holtz kind of feels like he doesn't have that dog in him.
 
Honestly, I don't even mind the skating all that much...you can find a way to structure lines that it's not the biggest issue...but it feels like Holtz is very, very passive to me.

To put it bluntly...Holtz kind of feels like he doesn't have that dog in him.
pretty much the same for me. Just seems like he doesn't fit the current teams with how its structured. He definitely could thrive elsewhere but just not here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Forge
Guess I'm way more down on Holtz then you. I would expect a 18-28 range pick for him with that deal.o_O

Pick 18 becomes a little more interesting...but something like pick 24? I mean, I'd rather just gamble on pick 58 and holtz versus a guy I'd pick at that spot, tbh.

Is someone like Quentin Musty worth Holtz + Myatovic? I feel like I'd just prefer to gamble on the latter.
 
I honestly just think we need to give Holtz some run. Let him get comfortable, play every night, get some chemistry going since he's not a solo line driver.

He's been good enough in the A that I think there's something there. Guys as good as he's been in the A as young as he is in the A (and who aren't like 5'6) tend to be playable at least at the NHL level.
 
Honestly, I don't even mind the skating all that much...you can find a way to structure lines that it's not the biggest issue...but it feels like Holtz is very, very passive to me.

To put it bluntly...Holtz kind of feels like he doesn't have that dog in him.
If we compare him to a Mercer type player, he definitely doesn’t. Hopefully he just needs playing time to adjust and it can bring more of that out of him with the experience.
 
I don't think he's going to be a first liner, but I think he can be a middle 6 guy, bang in something like 25-25 if he gets a little PP time, and bring a little sniper energy this team lacks.
 
Pick 18 becomes a little more interesting...but something like pick 24? I mean, I'd rather just gamble on pick 58 and holtz versus a guy I'd pick at that spot, tbh.

Is someone like Quentin Musty worth Holtz + Myatovic? I feel like I'd just prefer to gamble on the latter.
Definitely not for Musty, If one of Wood, Honzek, Richie, or Daniil But would still be around in that 18-23 range then I would definitely pull the trigger.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Please disable your adblocker on HFBoards.com

It looks like your adblocker is attempting to interfere with the intended operation of this site. Support us by allowing our site to function as we intended. Please disable your adblocker and add us to your allowlist.

Frequently Asked Questions
I'm not using a blocker. Why am I seeing this message?
You're likely seeing this message because an app or extension on your computer is blocking ads. The app or extension may be a "privacy" or "malware" blocker, or a VPN.

I disabled my blocker. Why am I still seeing this message?
It's common to have two or more adblocking extensions running at the same time. See the question above.