How could you say that? I'm much different than my hypothetical. For one thing I'm not sure the dogs are plotting against me. I'm certain of it.No, no, no.
We're talking about Wheeler, not you
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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Unknown Caller
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Vitek is not on the same planet as Fleury was. Fleury's baseline is way higher so a sports psychologist could actually get him back to that baseline. Fleury was a Vezina level goalie who has received Hart votes multiple years in his career.
Vitek is maybe a streaky league average goalie in the regular season who gets exposed in the playoffs. He's not some lights out goalie that just inexplicably collapses in the playoffs.
Billdo
Registered User
I have absolutely zero interest paying Hellebuyck anything close to 8 years of 9.5 mil per year. Like at all.
Fleury was not a Vezina caliber guy in Pittsburgh. He only had a 7th and 8th finish and he got Hart votes one time where he finished 18th so I imagine it was one singular vote. Fleury himself was not some lights out goalie who that just inexplicably collapsed in the playoffs.
Emperoreddy
Show Me What You Got!
Well it's pretty much confirmed that both sides have agreed on max term.
Cheddabombs
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Add an order of city chicken in there and I'm good!
I don't even have an interest in either of those numbers separately outside of maybe like 9.5 for 1 or 2 years
SteveCangialosi123
Registered User
If he’s streaky then he can get hot in the playoffs. His career SV% is .01 lower than Adin Hill. There is really no science to predicting goalie play in the postseason as is shown year after year. I don’t accept that he’ll just be unplayable in the playoffs every year, the sample isn’t nearly big enough.
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
I'll negotiate Meier contract right now:
8 years, $66 million. $8.25 AAV
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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]$12M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
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[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2024-25[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$10M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
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[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2025-26[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$9M[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
[TD]$1M[/TD]
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[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]2026-27[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
[TD]$2M[/TD]
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[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]2027-28[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2028-29[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$7M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
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[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]2029-30[/TD]
[TD]10 team no trade[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
[TD]$3M[/TD]
[TD]$3M[/TD]
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[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]2030-31[/TD]
[TD]10 team no trade[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
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Ok all done.
8 years, $66 million. $8.25 AAV
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[TD]2023-24[/TD]
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[TD]$12M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
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[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2024-25[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$10M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
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[TD]2025-26[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$9M[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
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[TD]2026-27[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
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[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]2027-28[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$8M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2028-29[/TD]
[TD]NMC[/TD]
[TD]$7M[/TD]
[TD]$4M[/TD]
[TD]$3M[/TD]
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[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]2029-30[/TD]
[TD]10 team no trade[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
[TD]$3M[/TD]
[TD]$3M[/TD]
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[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]2030-31[/TD]
[TD]10 team no trade[/TD]
[TD]$6M[/TD]
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[TD]$6M[/TD]
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Ok all done.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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Kinda hoping Vegas gives Adin Hill the bag so we can poach Logan Thompson off their roster. But they'll probably just do something else with Lehner so they can keep Hill and Thompson as a duo. It would've been nice keeping Thompson longer than we did in Binghamton and eventually now Utica.
Dylan9z9
LGD 2024-25
No Mogilny for the HOF! I've been saying all along what a slimy creep Bettman is.
Mogilny risked his life defecting from Russia to play in the NHL.
Mogilny risked his life defecting from Russia to play in the NHL.But Hill put up those #'s on bad teams, while Vitek was on very good teams.
Kind of interesting as to why Hill hasn't been given more of a chance in his career.
Though he definitely outperformed his career reg season #'s in this years playoffs.
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Dylan9z9
LGD 2024-25
Rob Rossi
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Person I spoke with last night said
not to expect Russian candidates to
gain entry into #HHOF anytime soon
given global politics. Said the
already high bar for Russian players
to gain entry is higher because "it's
easier not to put in Russian right
now.
@Real_RobRossi . Follow
Person I spoke with last night said
not to expect Russian candidates to
gain entry into #HHOF anytime soon
given global politics. Said the
already high bar for Russian players
to gain entry is higher because "it's
easier not to put in Russian right
now.
How is this a Bettman thing?No Mogilny for the HOF! I've been saying all along what a slimy creep Bettman is.
Clam Jensen
Registered User
That’s absurd. Are they not going to elect Drai in 30 years because of Hitler?Rob Rossi
@Real_RobRossi . Follow
Person I spoke with last night said
not to expect Russian candidates to
gain entry into #HHOF anytime soon
given global politics. Said the
already high bar for Russian players
to gain entry is higher because "it's
easier not to put in Russian right
now.
If Mogilny is currently living in Russia, and supportive of the current regime and the invasion of Ukraine, then I'd say that that is not a great comparison.
I don't know if he is, but if he isn't then I would actually see it as a positive given the logic.
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Dylan9z9
LGD 2024-25
It's absolutely a Bettman thing. Final say in banning players from Russia comes down to him as does every hockey decision.
Dylan9z9
LGD 2024-25
I know you want an easy scapegoat, but the Hockey Hall of Fame isn't the NHL Hall of Fame. Bettman has no jurisdiction.
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Clam Jensen
Registered User
I know it’s not apples to apples, but my point is that Mogilny has as much to do with the current geopolitical climate as Drai did with Hitlers atrocities. It’s just a shame that because you share a nation with an historically not-good person, you’re treated as a leper.
Fleury is a streaky league average goalie and was for the vast majority of his career. He was drafted 1st overall but do not let that fool you.
I really don't know where some of these guys stand, Mogilny could be a Putin hater and living here in the states for all I know, but I don't mind given a pro Putin player the cold shoulder.
Similarly if Draisaitl starting walking around in Nazi gear and denying the holocaust occured, I probably wouldn't want him on my team.
Eggtimer
Registered User
Me either . It takes whatever cap advantage we had with bargain Nico , Jack , Seigs , Marino contracts and negates it by overpaying on a goalie . Just my opinion .
If we can get Helle for a reasonable contact (under 6 years and under 7 mil ) I’d be ok with it .
I just don’t see it happening . Brodeur even said they want to develop goalies from within GTO be able to not have to pay inflated prices on the goalie position in a cap world . I don’t see us structuring our cap by paying a large % of it on goalies . However , maybe they change their tune if a goalie as good as Helle is available for an amount they are ok with ( have the backup make league min or close to it too )
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