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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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Unknown Caller said:
The security guard at my dad’s office building when I was growing up used to call Brodeur “Marty the Marshmallow” because he gave up too many soft goals. Goes to show that a fanbase basically always thinks their goalie sucks regardless of how good they are.

With that said, our goalies since prime Schneider have legitimately sucked.
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Marty gave up a lot of softy marshmallow goals due to his style of play. When Marty first broke into the league those were common on more goalies in the league than not. Especially really early on in his career when most of the goalies in the league were still-stand up goalies. As we got into the new millennium, there weren't many guys playing that style anymore. There were times like the 2001 playoffs (particularly the cup finals) where Marty was legitimately bad and looked fried. I felt like he looked like that a lot the year/playoffs following a long playoff run. His 01-02 regular season was pretty weak after those two long playoff runs. For prime Marty, that wasn't a very good season from him. His 03-04 was really good, but he gave up some really bad ones in the 2004 series against the Flyers and I'm pretty sure his second half of that season he was breaking down a bit. He was on pace for like 15 or 16 shutouts that year by January and a record number of shutouts in a year, but then he wound up only having 2 more shutouts (I think?) the rest of that year and finishing with like 11.

One time Marty got more shit than he deserved was the 2009 series against the Hurricanes, where he was legitimately good, other than the series winning goal and one other bad, leaky, 7-hole goal earlier in that game (to Ruutu lol), but he was lights out that series. He was actually better in that series than a couple of the series where he won, like the Tampa series two years before that. The 2008 Rangers series, as well as the 2010 Flyers series (his decline had already begun by that series) were really bad.

I'm still not happy at the heat he took in 2009. He may have even taken more heat at the time than WORTHLESS JUNIOR LEAGUE head coach Brent Sutter did, at least at that time he did. And washed up sacks of shit like Colin White, Jay Pandolfo and John Madden didn't really get the heat they deserved.
 
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Eggtimer said:
I don’t see Bedard being better than Matthews and everyone else except McD . I get he is very highly skilled and will be a very good player but 2nd / 3rd best in the world good ? I guess time will tell but to me he is lacking one super elite level skill to out him over the top . Yes he is very good at almost everything but he doesn’t have game breaking speed , isn’t physically over powering , doesn’t have crazy edge work and exposive first couple strides . He will score a ton but I just don’t see him scoring more goals than a Matthews or Pastrnak ?
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I can see him falling into the Patrick Kane talent bucket or low end McKinnon.

He just doesn’t have the skating to ever be as good as mcdavid. That’s not saying he’s a bad skater. I just think he prob is more in line with franchise player as opposed to a generational talent

Bleedred said:
Anyway, since we love talking about Kovalchuk around here, I was looking up his stats and game logs from the 2019-2020 season, where he played for all 3 of LA, Montreal and Washington. Remember, LA and him mutually terminated the 1.5 years remaining on his 3 year deal and he was signed by Montreal for the remainder of the year, then flipped at the deadline to Washington about 1.5 months later.

Now I remembered him scoring a goal against us in his first game back at Prudential Center in 18-19. I'm pretty sure it was in garbage time that night, late in in a game that was already a blowout loss.

I didn't remember if he did play at least one more time against the Devils at Prudential Center and it turns out he did. So it was with Montreal, so I was like ''I bet he scored some kind of point that night, even though I don't remember it''. I see in his game log 0 goals, 0 assists and 0 points.

So I click on the game and I see this was a 5-4 shootout loss. The shootout winner scored by none other than Ilya Kovalchuk on Louis Domingue. And of course he did, because you can't make that shit up. That HAS to happen if we're in a shootout and Ilya Kovalchuk comes up to shoot against us in 2020 or any point after he left. I totally did not remember this game at all, but it was on February 4th of 2020. Was I really walking on the moon that night? I remember a lot of that stupid shit season, but I totally do not remember the Kovalchuk shootout winner. And I KNOW I was watching that night. I'm sure I was right there in the GDT.
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He shushed the crowd too lol

 
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Lou is God said:
I was sitting two rows off the glass, he was looking right at us when he did the shush thing. We were laughing.
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Bcap88 said:
He shushed the crowd too lol

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I can't even remember that LOL. I did look up the GDT for it and called Kovalchuk scoring the game winning shootout goal a few minutes before it happened, so I was definitely watching it.

And the funniest part about it was looking at the box score, Palmieri scored with 20 seconds left in regulation, which was a very rare at the time extra attacker goal for us. It says it was a PP goal, so it was a 6 on 3.

So basically, we tied that game with 20 seconds to go, just so Kovalchuk could score the shootout winner? It's like that was the only reason that happened. We basically tied that game so Kovalchuk could either score an OT winner or a shootout goal. Once we tied that game with 20 seconds left, there was no way Kovalchuk wasn't gonna either score the OT winner or a shootout goal.
 
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Hello, Avs fan once again coming in peace.

Curious about the expectations for Nolan Foote. Seems to have decent stats in the AHL and I liked him in junior. Does he have a shot at the squad? Is he NHL ready? What's his upside looking like at this point, and what are his major warts?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Freaky Styley said:
Hello, Avs fan once again coming in peace.

Curious about the expectations for Nolan Foote. Seems to have decent stats in the AHL and I liked him in junior. Does he have a shot at the squad? Is he NHL ready? What's his upside looking like at this point, and what are his major warts?

Thanks in advance.
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His spot is most likely his to lose at this point. A lot of us think he's 4LW taking Woods spot but unlike Wood, skating is probably his biggest issue.
 
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Freaky Styley said:
Hello, Avs fan once again coming in peace.

Curious about the expectations for Nolan Foote. Seems to have decent stats in the AHL and I liked him in junior. Does he have a shot at the squad? Is he NHL ready? What's his upside looking like at this point, and what are his major warts?

Thanks in advance.
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I think they cleared the decks for him, but he's a bottom six, maybe 4th line wing. So I'm not expecting much.
 
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Seems really ordinary to me, but the front office absolutely loves him and pumps his tires endlessly so :dunno:

he’s not waiver eligible anymore so a good bet to get into a bunch of games whether he’s playing well or not.
 
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Freaky Styley said:
Hello, Avs fan once again coming in peace.

Curious about the expectations for Nolan Foote. Seems to have decent stats in the AHL and I liked him in junior. Does he have a shot at the squad? Is he NHL ready? What's his upside looking like at this point, and what are his major warts?

Thanks in advance.
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The truth is we don't really know. He seems to have the 4th line LW spot to lose, so we'll find out.
 
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I thought it was interesting that Fitzgerald name-dropped Foote specifically at the press conference after the season as far as guys that they are excited for. Could be nothing, could be something.

Yes, his skating isn't great, but I still think he could absolutely play a 4th line role for this team.
 
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Really hoping there’s a forward add for a guy who can play up on the 3rd line and be serviceable if needed. Like a Boqvist. I think he was best suited for the 4th line as he had managed to actually become a useful defensive forward but also had enough speed and skill to play on the 3rd line and not be out of place even if he wasn’t a great 3rd liner. Even if Holtz does work out there’s no one I’d trust beyond that. Any injuries and you’re stuck rolling out guys like Foote/McLeod/Bastian in the top 9 and I’m definitely not a fan of that.
 
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mdj12784 said:
Facebook rumor/proposal, VV, Holtz and first round pick for CH. Would you do it?
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As a rental? That seems steep, but not crazy. I don't know where Holtz really ranks with regards to prospects and how the organization feels about him. i mean, we know that premier prospects don't get moved for rentals. They just don't. Does Holtz still cross that line? I have no idea.

I'm not against giving the pieces up, but I don't know...I may try and counter with getting other pieces back. Can we get a Danny Zhilkin back?
 
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Facebook rumor/proposal, VV, Holtz and first round pick for CH. Would you do it?
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Without an extension, no. With an extension, depends on the extension. I'd rather not end up in a Bobrovsky situation (a few hot weeks in this years playoffs doesn't wipe out the fact that contract has been awful).
 
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Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
I thought it was interesting that Fitzgerald name-dropped Foote specifically at the press conference after the season as far as guys that they are excited for. Could be nothing, could be something.

Yes, his skating isn't great, but I still think he could absolutely play a 4th line role for this team.
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I would wonder if he can play 4th line LW and perhaps 2nd unit PP in front of the net. A more offensively inclined Bastian.

Not sure what role he played on Utica's PP but if Foote can do some good things there in front of the net, that would be a big asset. Though with all our depth, if Holtz is a regular, there probably isn't really a spot for him there unless there are injuries.
 
RSeen said:
I would wonder if he can play 4th line LW and perhaps 2nd unit PP in front of the net. A more offensively inclined Bastian.

Not sure what role he played on Utica's PP but if Foote can do some good things there in front of the net, that would be a big asset. Though with all our depth, if Holtz is a regular, there probably isn't really a spot for him there unless there are injuries.
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I feel like his shot should be able to play on a PP2 unit if you wanted to put him elsewhere as well.
 
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RSeen said:
I would wonder if he can play 4th line LW and perhaps 2nd unit PP in front of the net. A more offensively inclined Bastian.

Not sure what role he played on Utica's PP but if Foote can do some good things there in front of the net, that would be a big asset. Though with all our depth, if Holtz is a regular, there probably isn't really a spot for him there unless there are injuries.
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I feel Foote has a very good shot at the 4th line. Holtz will be in the mix to take that 3rd line RW spot but will have to earn it.

Don't think one will effect the other(unless there is an overall concern about the lack of speed being injected into the lineup).
 
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