Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[glenwo2]

Nothing brings me more Joy than seeing him get dunked on and being dumb. I am a very smart billionare!

Eh.

I would laugh with you except that "fish" guy's response to Nubmer seemed kinda low-key mocking me for being back on twitter. (maybe I'm over-thinking things here...)

 

[Call Me Al]

Eh.

I would laugh with you except that "fish" guy's response to Nubmer seemed kinda low-key mocking me for being back on twitter. (maybe I'm over-thinking things here...)

yep

 

[glenwo2]

yep

Anyway, I don't want a discussion about the so-called new Twitter Overlord to take over a Devils thread so let's just let things be.

 

[guitarguyvic]

You can watch last game and see that Haula put the Devils on a 5 on 3 with a really bad penalty when the game was tied. Does it not count as stupid because the Devils PK was able to bail him out?

It was a bad mistake but it wouldn’t even rank in the top 10 of Severson’s worst.

And I also highly doubt Haula makes an equally egrigious mistake like that several more times this season. I’d bet a pretty decent amount of money that Severson will.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Lol of course. Those questions are completely besides the point. I literally said that Severson’s big mistakes are usually more egregious. So I answered your questions before you asked it. You obviously just couldn’t answer my questions.

No one’s disagreeing that Severson makes really egregious mistakes. They just aren’t very regular at all and all the good stuff he does on a shift but shift basis and the value he provides far outweighs the occasional terrible mistake. Like he’s a really good player who occasionally makes a really bad mistake.

Can we start are Severson egregious mistake thread where we can actually track how often that kind of stuff happens? I think people would find it to be very inactive and then blowup for a few days every 2-3 months.

They don’t happen very often. People keep suggesting they’re happening regularly but I don’t think those people could tell me when the last one happened. Because it wasn’t recently.

How are we defining regularly? I think people are using that phrase comparatively in relation to how often they happen overall for all players. You guys are being pedantic to make it seem as if we are saying it happens every other game.

The reality is that Damon does this shit regularly in comparison to how often we’ve seen other players make mistakes of the same degree.

As far as him providing value elsewhere…it’s not enough to offset the negatives IMO. When the mistakes you make are 1) completely preventable with just a bit more situational awareness and regard for the context of the game, and 2) are so bad they frequently make the difference between a win and a loss…you need to being a whole lot more to the table than 6 points in 30 games and even plus/minus rating that ranks 17th out of 23 skaters who have played this year.

I don’t think the coaching staff disagrees because he’s at the bottom of the depth chart currently.

 

[Billdo]

Damon has been with the Devils for how long now? (*looked* IT'S 6 SEASONS!!)

He's a long-time Vet.

Not a wet-behind-the-ears rookie.

Yeah, and he's not the only vet who f***s up on occasion.

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, and he's not the only vet who f***s up on occasion.

Well I was wrong.

He was here for 9 seasons.

 

[MartyOwns]

It’s less than every 5 games. When was the last mistake like that? It’s literally not even every 5 games. Just looks bad when it happens and blows up because they’re always very egregious. Obviously smaller mistakes like every one else more often but bad ones like that are rare.

Someone else actually said that he hasn’t even had a giveaway in 10 games either.

the only reason his turnovers don’t turn up in the back of our net as often is because our goaltending is actually decent this season. he makes stupid assed mistakes all the time and has been that way since day 1. although the frequency of them has decreased as his TOI has gone down compared to other seasons so…yay?

having said that, i care way more about scratching johnny onegoal than severson, and i don’t think scratching sevs really accomplishes much. but i’m not shedding any tears over it.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Yeah, and he's not the only vet who f***s up on occasion.

Who else f***s up this epically several times a season and generates this kind of response on this board?

Is the argument supposed to be that we have other players doing what he does, as frequently as he does, and we just pick on him because…”reasons”?

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Can we start are Severson egregious mistake thread where we can actually track how often that kind of stuff happens? I think people would find it to be very inactive and then blowup for a few days every 2-3 months.

They don’t happen very often. People keep suggesting they’re happening regularly but I don’t think those people could tell me when the last one happened. Because it wasn’t recently.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Severson will be gone soon. It’s a shame because he had so much promise when he first came up. I guess the brain and skates weren’t on the same level.

 

[MartyOwns]

Yeah, and he's not the only vet who f***s up on occasion.

he’s playing less minutes per game than at any time in his career, defending against lower quality forwards, and he’s still a liability. between that and these interviews he’s giving- this is our veteran presence?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

How are we defining regularly? I think people are using that phrase comparatively in relation to how often they happen overall for all players. You guys are being pedantic to make it seem as if we are saying it happens every other game.

The reality is that Damon does this shit regularly in comparison to how often we’ve seen other players make mistakes of the same degree.

As far as him providing value elsewhere…it’s not enough to offset the negatives IMO. When the mistakes you make are 1) completely preventable with just a bit more situational awareness and regard for the context of the game, and 2) are so bad they frequently make the difference between a win and a loss…you need to being a whole lot more to the table than 6 points in 30 games and even plus/minus rating that ranks 17th out of 23 skaters who have played this year.

I don’t think the coaching staff disagrees because he’s at the bottom of the depth chart currently.

Lol the coaching staff doesn’t disagree because he’s at the bottom of the depth chart?
He’s clearly not at the bottom of the depth chart. Despite a slowish start to the season, consistently playing with the worst partner, and a lack of offensive production he led the devils D in TOI the previous two games. He’s being punished for his mistake now. That’s all. He’s not at the bottom of the depth chart and you fully know that.

And the value he provides is more than enough to offset it.

You said something that clearly isn’t true.

They don’t frequently make the difference between a win or loss. It’s incredibly rare that they do. Once or twice a season max.

And if you disagree with that please point me to the last egregious mistake he made that made the difference between a win and loss. We’ve played 30 games. When else has he made and egregious mistake that has been the difference? Go back to last season if you must. Mistakes on the level of the other days are incredibly rare.

the only reason his turnovers don’t turn up in the back of our net as often is because our goaltending is actually decent this season. he makes stupid assed mistakes all the time and has been that way since day 1. although the frequency of them has decreased as his TOI has gone down compared to other seasons so…yay?

having said that, i care way more about scratching johnny onegoal than severson, and i don’t think scratching sevs really accomplishes much. but i’m not shedding any tears over it.

He didn’t have a single giveaway in the last 10 games. The reason his turnovers don’t end up in the back of the net this season or any other season is because they are incredibly rare. Point me to the last one please.

They happen on rare occasions and look terrible when they do.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

the only reason his turnovers don’t turn up in the back of our net as often is because our goaltending is actually decent this season. he makes stupid assed mistakes all the time and has been that way since day 1. although the frequency of them has decreased as his TOI has gone down compared to other seasons so…yay?

having said that, i care way more about scratching johnny onegoal than severson, and i don’t think scratching sevs really accomplishes much. but i’m not shedding any tears over it.

It appears the exact opposite is happening

edit: actually, this is a misread by me. I think this is the Devils scoring way less than you’d expect with Severson out there. Though this adds to the “Severson stinks” perception still.

 

[MartyOwns]

He didn’t have a single giveaway in the last 10 games. The reason his turnovers don’t end up in the back of the net this season or any other season is because they are incredibly rare. Point me to the last one please.

They happen on rare occasions and look terrible when they do.

why are you fixated on giveaways? the last boneheaded play is obvious, the one i remember before that was his penalty against the rangers. i believe we were outshooting them 7-1 or something, up 2-0, the rangers had 0 life (at home!) and then severson allows himself to get goated by one of the rags into coincidental minors and starts a huge scrum in the process. that was the turning point of the period with the rangers storming back to outshoot us (iirc) and score a late goal. we all know what happened next.

if the veteran leadership these guys bring include turning the entire momentum of the game against us and throwing sticks at other players, then f*** me i guess.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

What a ridiculous reach to blame that Rangers game on Severson. The obvious momentum swing was the missed penalty shot. Then the absurd penalty and breakdown 7 seconds later.

 

[MartyOwns]

What a ridiculous reach to blame that Rangers game on Severson. The obvious momentum swing was the missed penalty shot. Then the absurd penalty and breakdown 7 seconds later.

i know it’s not true, but honestly it’s like some of you have never watched a hockey game. i knew what that penalty would do and said so when it happened in the gdt (against a chorus of ‘yeah don’t take that shit!’ machismo nonsense). the momentum completely swung after that, and the rest of the period was all rangers. we actually started the 2nd pretty well but it didn’t last long.

the point is, a seasoned vet should have awareness and skate away from the shit the rangers were trying to start. he did literally the exact opposite and it cost us. boneheaded

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I've been done with people making excuses for this guy for a long time.

The indignation in his most recent post-game interview was just the icing on the cake.

They'll power through the rest of the season with him because there are no better options, but I'm willing to bet that I'll have a smile on my face come July 1st.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

So many people claiming and acting like what happened the other day happens regularly. Yet none of you can point to the last one.

I've been done with people making excuses for this guy for a long time.

The indignation in his most recent post-game interview was just the icing on the cake.

They'll power through the rest of the season with him because there are no better options, but I'm willing to bet that I'll have a smile on my face come July 1st.

lol this goes exactly to the argument against you. You have to pull videos from years ago. And the first one wasn’t even bad. There’s a loose puck right by the line and he tries to grab it but knocks it in. That’s not even an egregious mistake.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

why are you fixated on giveaways? the last boneheaded play is obvious, the one i remember before that was his penalty against the rangers. i believe we were outshooting them 7-1 or something, up 2-0, the rangers had 0 life (at home!) and then severson allows himself to get goated by one of the rags into coincidental minors and starts a huge scrum in the process. that was the turning point of the period with the rangers storming back to outshoot us (iirc) and score a late goal. we all know what happened next.

if the veteran leadership these guys bring include turning the entire momentum of the game against us and throwing sticks at other players, then f*** me i guess.

What in the world are you on? The offsetting minor penalties on a scrum was the turning point. That is one of the most absurd reaches I’ve heard.

 

[Guttersniped]

Presented without comment

Honestly what’s most impressive for me is the Graves/Marino pair because they play way tougher minutes.

I don’t always emphasize that because sometimes it’s not this stark but they are our shutdown pair.

As is the Nico line, which makes his production and possession numbers even more impressive.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

i know it’s not true, but honestly it’s like some of you have never watched a hockey game. i knew what that penalty would do and said so when it happened in the gdt (against a chorus of ‘yeah don’t take that shit!’ machismo nonsense). the momentum completely swung after that, and the rest of the period was all rangers. we actually started the 2nd pretty well but it didn’t last long.

the point is, a seasoned vet should have awareness and skate away from the shit the rangers were trying to start. he did literally the exact opposite and it cost us. boneheaded

Says it’s like some of you have never watched a hockey game while suggesting a coincidental first period penalty in a chippy game was the turning point. This has to go in to the hall of fame of irony.

Do you honestly think that offsetting slashing penalty in the first is what swung the momentum and won the rangers the game? There’s no way you actually thing that. If you think I have to wonder if you ever actually played a hockey game.

 

[MadDevil]

Everybody remembers mistakes more than they do the majority of times where Severson is fine. I'm certainly not going to sit here and say he never does dumb things. But on the whole the good things he does tend to outweigh the bad. That doesn't mean he should be above criticism or being punished, especially given the expectations for this team are higher, but good lord you'd think he's the worst defenseman in the world the way some people talk about him.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Everybody remembers mistakes more than they do the majority of times where Severson is fine. I'm certainly not going to sit here and say he never does dumb things. But on the whole the good things he does tend to outweigh the bad. That doesn't mean he should be above criticism or being punished, especially given the expectations for this team are higher, but good lord you'd think he's the worst defenseman in the world the way some people talk about him.

Significantly outweigh. And the mistakes are actually rare. They don’t happen that often.

But yes he deserves the criticism and consequences when he makes a bad mistake and he needs to own up to it more.

 

[Deflection]

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Its charts like these that give advanced stats a bad name..

I seriously doubt anyone believes an algorithm that has Smith-Severson as one of the best pairs in the NHL