Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[SteveCangialosi123]

i know it’s not true, but honestly it’s like some of you have never watched a hockey game. i knew what that penalty would do and said so when it happened in the gdt (against a chorus of ‘yeah don’t take that shit!’ machismo nonsense). the momentum completely swung after that, and the rest of the period was all rangers. we actually started the 2nd pretty well but it didn’t last long.

the point is, a seasoned vet should have awareness and skate away from the shit the rangers were trying to start. he did literally the exact opposite and it cost us. boneheaded

Total nonsense. That play didn’t cause any type of momentum shift at all. It happened in the 1st period and they proceeded to get their shit pushed in in the 2nd until the moment the game actually changed, the bogus penalty.

 

[Devs3cups]

The Severson stuff has gone way off the rails lol.

Look, bottom line, Ruff asked the guys to not play too risky and not give anything in the final minutes of the game after they hadn’t given up anything in the 3rd. Next shift, Seves makes a risky, unnecessary play that cost us big. No problem with Ruff calling him out in the post game, no problem with Ruff scratching him tonight (if that ends up being the case). Accountability has jumped another level this year it seems, and Seves’ approach to the play post-game and the following days could’ve been more professional.

Doesn’t mean that Seves is a bad defenseman nor that he always costs us games or always does shit like this.

He’s been pretty damn solid this year overall, but that mistake was a really big one. Those 2 things can both be true at the same time

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Its charts like these that give advanced stats a bad name..

I seriously doubt anyone believes an algorithm that has Smith-Severson as one of the best pairs in the NHL

Oh look, a brand new account that sounds awfully familiar.

It isn’t one of the best parings in the league. But they are doing better than most if not all 3rd pairings in the league and the people that complain so much need to stop shitting their diapers.

 

[Guttersniped]

You know what I just did before posting? I had gathered like ten names of very likeable guys from that team, both goalies included but I cleared it cause I was so sure that "Bleed will appear out of nowhere like a shiny Charizard to tell me how Marty shouldnt have played that much and then give a storytime that people would argue that he was getting Ws and Cory wasnt" so I didnt.

The last game of the 2015-16 season had some of the more notable mocked players (Ruutu, Kalinin and one of the most forgettable Devils with 50 GP, Tyler Kennedy) but it’s one of my favorite games of all times.

Henrique and Palms both getting to 30 goals, Smith-Pelley continuing his fun post-trade hot streak, Wood’s and Zacha’s debut and Elias scoring in the last 20 seconds of his last game in the NHL.

Were the Leafs playing a 22 year old Garret Sparks in order to tank for Matthews? You betcha, they even shipped off their best goalie (Reimer) to do it, but hey, it was a fun game.

We on the other hand had the 12th best Save % in the NHL while being dead last in G/GF (2.22), which got Cory some Vezina votes for one the better completely wasted goalie performances of the time.

 

[MartyOwns]

What in the world are you on? The offsetting minor penalties on a scrum was the turning point. That is one of the most absurd reaches I’ve heard.

i’m sure if you research the stats before and after that penalty it’ll back up what i’m saying. i would do it if i cared enough or knew where to start.

Says it’s like some of you have never watched a hockey game while suggesting a coincidental first period penalty in a chippy game was the turning point. This has to go in to the hall of fame of irony.

Do you honestly think that offsetting slashing penalty in the first is what swung the momentum and won the rangers the game? There’s no way you actually thing that. If you think I have to wonder if you ever actually played a hockey game.

as i’ve said MULTIPLE times, it won them the first period at least. oh, and i played goalie for 15 years. not that it matters- i’m talking about a change in momentum. why do you think that ranger took a swipe at sevs? they had nothing. like, 1 shot. they were limp. and then suddenly, everything changed! who knew.

Total nonsense. That play didn’t cause any type of momentum shift at all. It happened in the 1st period and they proceeded to get their shit pushed in in the 2nd until the moment the game actually changed, the bogus penalty.

psst- both of you mensa members- there can be multiple changes of momentum in a game. it was a dipshit play by severson, and as a vet he ought to know better. he cost us almost half a period iirc…that’s not insignificant.

 

[FinnishDevil]

The last game of the 2015-16 season had some of the more notable mocked players (Ruutu, Kalinin and one of the most forgettable Devils with 50 GP, Tyler Kennedy) but it’s one of my favorite games of all times.

Henrique and Palms both getting to 30 goals, Smith-Pelley continuing his fun post-trade hot streak, Wood’s and Zacha’s debut and Elias scoring in the last 20 seconds of his last game in the NHL.

Were the Leafs playing a 22 year old Garret Sparks in order to tank for Matthews? You betcha, they even shipped off their best goalie (Reimer) to do it, but hey, it was a fun game.

We on the other hand had the 12th best Save % in the NHL while being dead last in G/GF (2.22), which got Cory some Vezina votes for one the better completely wasted goalie performances of the time.

I remember that game like it was yesterday!

I think I mightve said on the GDT (or mightve been some other place/twitter at the time since I didnt post here regularly yet) that "now get one for Patty!" after one of Rico or Palms got #30. And moments before Patty got his.

I still get goosebumps seeing that goal. Its crazy cause it was so meaningless since it was two dogshit teams in the last game of the season. Still, it felt like it was meant to be with Patty scoring last minute. Oh man.

Didnt Zacha have like two assists that game or something so during the summer we were glossing over his ppg? Haha those were the days.

Also! How could you forget. Tuomo Ruutu got his first point of the season (and last of his career) in like his 30th game of the season. LOL. He was so washed up his time here but even more so his last year. I think the assist was also him fumbling the puck or something and Rico scoring on it.

I think that mightve been the season Leo Komarov was in the all star game. Oh my.

 

[Deflection]

Oh look, a brand new account that sounds awfully familiar.

It isn’t one of the best parings in the league. But they are doing better than most if not all 3rd pairings in the league and the people that complain so much need to stop shitting their diapers.

You posted a graph that has Smith-Severson above every pairing in the NHL, not just third pairings.

I think I know exactly why you posted it without comment... because its ridiculous and clearly founded on poorly-constructed equations

 

[Captain3rdLine]

i’m sure if you research the stats before and after that penalty it’ll back up what i’m saying. i would do it if i cared enough or knew where to start.

as i’ve said MULTIPLE times, it won them the first period at least. oh, and i played goalie for 15 years. not that it matters- i’m talking about a change in momentum. why do you think that ranger took a swipe at sevs? they had nothing. like, 1 shot. they were limp. and then suddenly, everything changed! who knew.

psst- both of you mensa members- there can be multiple changes of momentum in a game. it was a dipshit play by severson, and as a vet he ought to know better. he cost us almost half a period iirc…that’s not insignificant.

You’re just spewing bs and nonsense. The rangers finishing the period better doesn’t mean the offsetting minor penalties caused it in any sense. That’s such a stupid reach. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

You posted a graph that has Smith-Severson above every pairing in the NHL, not just third pairings.

I think I know exactly why you posted it without comment... because its ridiculous and clearly founded on poorly-constructed equations

I didn’t need to comment because it should be plain to see that dedicating so much time to crying about a guy getting such good results seems a little foolish. You can keep going though, brand new account with some very old, familiar grievances.

 

[Guttersniped]

That was a season tanked on Schneider being just the 1a, while Brodeur was the 1b, as well as all the shootout losses. And if I'm really gonna microscope it even more as far as head to head matchups go, our PATHETIC head to head matchup against Columbus could have also been a big difference, as I think they barely got in and they had 5 more points than we did.

That team should have made the playoffs, but I don't think it should have went very far. And by very far I mean more than 1 win.

Unless of course Schneider stole some games or a series.

2013-14? Not sure there’s a good argument for a team that’s 27th out of 30 in G/GP making the playoffs.

 

[Deflection]

I didn’t need to comment because it should be plain to see that dedicating so much time to crying about a guy getting such good results seems a little foolish. You can keep going though, brand new account with some very old, familiar grievances.

Idk what youre spewing on about, Im talking about the tweet you posted. How about we focus on that or just admit you posted it knowing its a load of crap

Brendan Smith and Damon Severson are not the best defensive pair in the league with over 200 minutes played. This chart makes MoneyPuck and you look awful for even giving it the time of day

Advanced stats have a place in hockey but when people such as yourself promote such garbage like this, it turns off those who are on the fence about advanced stats.

 

[Bleedred]

2013-14? Not sure there’s a good argument for a team that’s 27th out of 30 in G/GP making the playoffs.

It should have made the playoffs, if not only because of how good Schneider was. The coach and GM chose to still play the washed up 41 year old for close to half the games. Even if we won 6 shootouts (depending on who they were against) or won a couple more games against the Blue Jackets, as well a few shootout wins, we could have still got in even with the questionable goalie choices.

It wasn't a particularly good team though, which is why the bottom fell out the next year.

I still don't understand what the Ruutu deal was all about either. A 30 year old cap dump that still had two years remaining after that.

 

[Bleedred]

The last game of the 2015-16 season had some of the more notable mocked players (Ruutu, Kalinin and one of the most forgettable Devils with 50 GP, Tyler Kennedy) but it’s one of my favorite games of all times.

Henrique and Palms both getting to 30 goals, Smith-Pelley continuing his fun post-trade hot streak, Wood’s and Zacha’s debut and Elias scoring in the last 20 seconds of his last game in the NHL.

Were the Leafs playing a 22 year old Garret Sparks in order to tank for Matthews? You betcha, they even shipped off their best goalie (Reimer) to do it, but hey, it was a fun game.

We on the other hand had the 12th best Save % in the NHL while being dead last in G/GF (2.22), which got Cory some Vezina votes for one the better completely wasted goalie performances of the time.

My favorite random factoid of the season finale was Ruutu finally getting his first and only point of the season in that game, in what I believe was the second to last period of the season. There was a stupid stretch of games where Ruutu came back from injury and we scored one goal more often than not. So I started saying Ruutu means one. And after that season finale it became Ruutu means one goal all season. Once again, what was the reason for trading for him? He looked to be shot by the time we acquired and he still had two years left on the deal.

Cory got hurt I think in very early March that year? We were already slipping out, but that was the end of any realistic chance of the playoffs that season. Kinkaid sucked that year, but somehow managed to get one of the three stars of the week with a shutout at San Jose and a 1 goal on 40 shots (or something) at LA.

The next week I believe was when he Wedgewood got called up because he wasn't getting it done. Cory came back for the last week of that season. He was being given games that were both back to backs at one point, as we were really were way too dependent on him to get a win and Kinkaid was poor that season.

We were in a playoff spot (other teams may have had games in hand though) on Valentines Day of that year and I believe we were the lowest goals against in the league as of that day. I clearly remember that.

That team was clearly worse than the 13-14 team, although the 13-14 team (as well as the 14-15 team) had a lot of old washed up vets just collecting paychecks and living out their remaining years or even games. All of Zubrus, Salvador, Havlat, Ruutu and Ryder were all finished by about the 13-14 season and all played here in 14-15. And yes, Havlat wasn't here yet in 13-14, but he was looking burnt crispity even before that in San Jose.

Clowe did well when he actually played, which wasn't often.

 

[MartyOwns]

You’re just spewing bs and nonsense. The rangers finishing the period better doesn’t mean the offsetting minor penalties caused it in any sense. That’s such a stupid reach. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

you’re right lol, it was one big happy coincidence for the rangers. lucky for them they started the scrum that randomly turned the period around

 

[Louskoolaid89]

I remember that game like it was yesterday!

I think I mightve said on the GDT (or mightve been some other place/twitter at the time since I didnt post here regularly yet) that "now get one for Patty!" after one of Rico or Palms got #30. And moments before Patty got his.

I still get goosebumps seeing that goal. Its crazy cause it was so meaningless since it was two dogshit teams in the last game of the season. Still, it felt like it was meant to be with Patty scoring last minute. Oh man.

Didnt Zacha have like two assists that game or something so during the summer we were glossing over his ppg? Haha those were the days.

Also! How could you forget. Tuomo Ruutu got his first point of the season (and last of his career) in like his 30th game of the season. LOL. He was so washed up his time here but even more so his last year. I think the assist was also him fumbling the puck or something and Rico scoring on it.

I think that mightve been the season Leo Komarov was in the all star game. Oh my

I was also at that game. We were surprisingly good that year with what was expected to be as bad as Toronto. Thanks to CS and a career year for Palms and Rico we ended up McCloed and not the likes of Matthews. Our rebuild would probably be different if we absolutely sucks for the 1st 3 years post Lou but, then again Buffalo tanked and got Eichel and finally now are getting their poop in a group. Anyway yeah some fun games that season. I think I was at MSG for an early season win. Lee Stempniak on OT or was that in the 17-18 season? The past is in the past but, like looking back in how we got here. I have always been a staunch Trust the mother f***ing process guy. (TTMFP) never bought into the theory that this ownership group was gonna run this team like the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NHL. I knew they'd open the check books when it made mire sense to do so.

I was also at that game. We were surprisingly good that year with what was expected to be as bad as Toronto. Thanks to CS and a career year for Palms and Rico we ended up McCloed and not the likes of Matthews. Our rebuild would probably be different if we absolutely sucks for the 1st 3 years post Lou but, then again Buffalo tanked and got Eichel and finally now are getting their poop in a group. Anyway yeah some fun games that season. I think I was at MSG for an early season win. Lee Stempniak on OT or was that in the 17-18 season? The past is in the past but, like looking back in how we got here. I have always been a staunch Trust the mother f***ing process guy. (TTMFP) never bought into the theory that this ownership group was gonna run this team like the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NHL. I knew they'd open the check books when it made mire sense to do so.

Coffee typed that up! Spell check next time. Yikes!

 

[Bleedred]

I was also at that game. We were surprisingly good that year with what was expected to be as bad as Toronto. Thanks to CS and a career year for Palms and Rico we ended up McCloed and not the likes of Matthews. Our rebuild would probably be different if we absolutely sucks for the 1st 3 years post Lou but, then again Buffalo tanked and got Eichel and finally now are getting their poop in a group. Anyway yeah some fun games that season. I think I was at MSG for an early season win. Lee Stempniak on OT or was that in the 17-18 season? The past is in the past but, like looking back in how we got here. I have always been a staunch Trust the mother f***ing process guy. (TTMFP) never bought into the theory that this ownership group was gonna run this team like the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NHL. I knew they'd open the check books when it made mire sense to do so.

I think that was our first win of that season in 15-16. The Lee Stempniak OT winner at MSG? Think it was an afternoon game.

I think we started that season something like 0-3-1 but quickly turned it around and stayed above 500 until the end of the year.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

I think that was our first win of that season in 15-16. The Lee Stempniak OT winner at MSG? Think it was an afternoon game.

I think we started that season something like 0-3-1 but quickly turned it around and stayed above 500 until the end of the year.

That's right we were winless going into that game.

 

[MartyOwns]

not sure which thread this goes in, but a fun watch. avery being a p***y as usual

 

[FinnishDevil]

My favorite random factoid of the season finale was Ruutu finally getting his first and only point of the season in that game, in what I believe was the second to last period of the season. There was a stupid stretch of games where Ruutu came back from injury and we scored one goal more often than not. So I started saying Ruutu means one. And after that season finale it became Ruutu means one goal all season. Once again, what was the reason for trading for him? He looked to be shot by the time we acquired and he still had two years left on the deal.

See, remembering that is top tier fandom. Ruutu 1st point is right up there with the likes of Sergei Kalinin breakaway goal against Rags and Yegor Yakovlev playing without skateblades when it comes to top 10 decade defining Devils moments.

Also, Ruutu means screen, like a tv screen. Or square in some instances.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

you’re right lol, it was one big happy coincidence for the rangers. lucky for them they started the scrum that randomly turned the period around

There’s was always going to be scrums in that game lmao. You’re literally grasping at straws suggesting Severson getting into it and getting a coincidental penalty in what was always going to be a chippy game turned the game in the rangers favour. It’s a hilarious reach.

 

[NJDevilsFan21]

The Severson stuff has gone way off the rails lol.

Though I agree the Devils should still be seriously looking to deal him at the deadline. Regardless of where this team is.

We are about to be jammed on RD with Nemec and Casey, but could really use the help up front. Between Nico, Jack, and Bratt... two of those three drive a line, and the other is left alone with ineffective and consistent wings. Players like Mercer, Shara, even Palat should be complimenting or finishing off those lines, but no the secondaries.

If we could land Meier for Sevs + Holtz we should be all over that. Even Horvat should be seriously considered if we can give up assets we don't really need moving forward. Either of those two would add some much needed size and really improve our top 6, and/or PP2 as well.

Considering Bratt's play has dropped off lately he's actually not helping his own long-term value so we may be able to afford all 4 without giving up much of anything. Bratt has cooled off from a ~9M to a ~8M contract lately.

 

[MartyOwns]

There’s was always going to be scrums in that game lmao. You’re literally grasping at straws suggesting Severson getting into it and getting a coincidental penalty in what was always going to be a chippy game turned the game in the rangers favour. It’s a hilarious reach.

ok, does anyone know how i can see shots taken and when? possession time and when? i don’t know how else i can explain this extremely pedestrian point. this is one of the dumbest conversations i’ve ever had on here btw

 

[Captain3rdLine]

ok, does anyone know how i can see shots taken and when? possession time and when? i don’t know how else i can explain this extremely pedestrian point. this is one of the dumbest conversations i’ve ever had on here btw

Ya you’re making it dumb by absurdly reaching to blame something on Severson. It’s ridiculous

 

[Emperoreddy]

They legitimately might not win another game this month. Playing like absolute shit with much better teams coming up.

10 game losing streak might actually happen

 

[TF1970]

Clearly need to get some size and jam. I’m all for a Bratt trade under the right circumstances. Get it prolly can’t happen for anyone til summer but can you get a winger who can score and get to the inside? Sick of watching a bunch of midgets out there.