Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[guitarguyvic]

Bratt is a very good player legit top 6 for sure. Is he as good as some folks make him out to be? Idk. The top producers in the league now are routinely hitting >100 points in a full season. Brat’s ppg pace is akin to ~65-70 point season in years past.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Bahl’s played like shit lately. Maybe give him a little taste until Marino’s back?

Siegenthaler Hamilton
Graves Severson
Smith Nemec

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Washington. Team is old and stinks. This is assuming the Islanders are the odd team out.

How about just anyone? I'd be much more concerned about making the playoffs at this point. There is a very real possibility that they miss. And even miss by a considerable amount.

 

[HersheyBob27]

Bratt is a very good player legit top 6 for sure. Is he as good as some folks make him out to be? Idk. The top producers in the league now are routinely hitting >100 points in a full season. Brat’s ppg pace is akin to ~65-70 point season in years past.

This is the reality of it. Thank you

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Bratt is a very good player legit top 6 for sure. Is he as good as some folks make him out to be? Idk. The top producers in the league now are routinely hitting >100 points in a full season. Brat’s ppg pace is akin to ~65-70 point season in years past.

hes at 1.5 seasons now of a point per game and has routinely some of the best underlying numbers in the sport among ALL players. Hes 24 years old.

Hes a bonafide top line winger, and one of the best in the NHL.

 

[HersheyBob27]

hes at 1.5 seasons now of a point per game and has routinely some of the best underlying numbers in the sport among ALL players. Hes 24 years old.

Hes a bonafide top line winger, and one of the best in the NHL.

Alot more to the game than underlying numbers mr bowl cut

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Alot more to the game than underlying numbers mr bowl cut

again, when literally everyone is telling you you are wrong, did you ever think that maybe you MIGHT BE WRONG?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Alot more to the game than underlying numbers mr bowl cut

I mean he brought up points and underlying numbers.

In response to you and that other guy talking about exclusively points.

Odd to say there’s more to the game when the post you’re responding to talked about the same thing you talked about and something else. At least add something else if you’re gonna do that.

My personal opinion is somewhere between. I think he’s more than just a legit top 6 forward but I also wouldn’t call him one of th best wingers in the league. But you’re response is pretty stupid and ironic.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

The issue with Bratt isn't Bratt. He's a great player. The issue is he is redundant on this team.

That said, it's foolish to think we can just let him go or trade him for a pick. If he goes, he MUST be replaced with another true top line winger or things get even uglier.

 

[Triumph]

How about just anyone? I'd be much more concerned about making the playoffs at this point. There is a very real possibility that they miss. And even miss by a considerable amount.

lol, no there isn't. There is a possibility that they miss. They're not missing by a lot, they are way too good for that, the goaltending would have to implode and everyone would have to get hurt again.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

lol, no there isn't. There is a possibility that they miss. They're not missing by a lot, they are way too good for that, the goaltending would have to implode and everyone would have to get hurt again.

I mean, the injuries have already started and the team seems hellbent on going down with the Blackwood ship so......

 

[forceten]

So, we have 4,837 top 4 defense prospects in our pool... but what do we realistically think about forwards? There was a post above that is very true - we have contracts to decide on Tatar, Wood, McLeod, Haula, Boqvist, Rango, and Zetterlund. All ignoring the Bratt situation. Before the season we were all pretty much writing Tatar and Wood off, but now their play makes us pause. Plus, who do we have waiting to jump in? Holtz hasn't managed to force his way in, and he was the "top forward" prospect, right?

 

[Triumph]

I mean, the injuries have already started and the team seems hellbent on going down with the Blackwood ship so......

Palat is practicing with the team and Bastian is skating, with Marino week-to-week. This is not an injured team right now.

 

[MadDevil]

I'm fairly certain Bratt could win a scoring title and certain posters would still find a way to bitch about him.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

So, we have 4,837 top 4 defense prospects in our pool... but what do we realistically think about forwards? There was a post above that is very true - we have contracts to decide on Tatar, Wood, McLeod, Haula, Boqvist, Rango, and Zetterlund. All ignoring the Bratt situation. Before the season we were all pretty much writing Tatar and Wood off, but now their play makes us pause. Plus, who do we have waiting to jump in? Holtz hasn't managed to force his way in, and he was the "top forward" prospect, right?

I think our forward pool is looking pretty weak.
Holtz is looking pretty meh or at least not a fit with us. There really isn’t anyone else that is overly likely to carve out an NHL career or at least an impactful to this point. Probabky best we draft forward with our next pick and give that part of the pool a boost.

 

[Guttersniped]

The Bratt conversation is even dumber than usual, so congrats there guys.

Bratt just had 2 goal games vs Florida and Carolina and he’s producing at better rate this season than he ever has before. His numbers have never been better.

I swear to god players aren’t good unless they literally score goals in front of people that second or play for a different team.

“He’s 3 points away of failing out of the top 50 scorers” What the f*** stat is that exactly? He has 37 points and the top #35-#42 scorers all have 37.

This team could use move more play drivers and shouldn’t lose a key one.

 

[Triumph]

Bratt is a very good player legit top 6 for sure. Is he as good as some folks make him out to be? Idk. The top producers in the league now are routinely hitting >100 points in a full season. Brat’s ppg pace is akin to ~65-70 point season in years past.

What a study in obfuscation this is. Bratt is a top line forward. He is not going to be one of the top producers in the league without shooting luck, he doesn't get enough shots on goal for that, but he's a superb playmaker and he makes every line he's on better, and has been doing that for years now. The idea of saying Bratt 'legit top 6 for sure' is so funny. Joe Pavelski, legit top 6 forward, if you ask me.

 

[Guttersniped]

The issue with Bratt isn't Bratt. He's a great player. The issue is he is redundant on this team.

That said, it's foolish to think we can just let him go or trade him for a pick. If he goes, he MUST be replaced with another true top line winger or things get even uglier.

He’s very much not redundant on this team, we actually need him pretty badly. Just because we could use another scoring winger doesn’t mean we don’t need Bratt quite a bit.

 

[HersheyBob27]

again, when literally everyone is telling you you are wrong, did you ever think that maybe you MIGHT BE WRONG?

Typical analytic guy response. Everything is black or white. There is a grey area

 

[guitarguyvic]

What a study in obfuscation this is. Bratt is a top line forward. He is not going to be one of the top producers in the league without shooting luck, he doesn't get enough shots on goal for that, but he's a superb playmaker and he makes every line he's on better, and has been doing that for years now. The idea of saying Bratt 'legit top 6 for sure' is so funny. Joe Pavelski, legit top 6 forward, if you ask me.

Lol you’re annoyed because I stated the obvious. Ok. There’s a small handful of folks that don’t seem to want to even go that far, that why I say it that way, go talk to them.

On the flip there’s a few folks making it seem like Bratt is more than he is. He’s not in the top tier of forwards, statistically in fact he is one tier below them. And that’s fine. He’s not someone that anyone should want replaced, but rather added on to.

 

[Saugus]

Typical analytic guy response. Everything is black or white. There is a grey area

This doesn't make any sense, in fact you have it literally backwards.

Analytics is all about probabilities and likelihoods. Everything is a gray area. Everything.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

He’s very much not redundant on this team, we actually need him pretty badly. Just because we could use another scoring winger doesn’t mean we don’t need Bratt quite a bit.

Oh I agree we need Bratt and are worse without him. Much worse. Just not sure how we keep him and add a top line finisher. So we will have to make a choice.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Typical analytic guy response. Everything is black or white. There is a grey area

I am providing facts, as are others. Point totals, analytics, xGF totals, etc.

All you are saying is "THERE IS MORE THAN THAT!!!" and then providing nothing else.

Like I said, when literally everyone here disagrees with you, maybe you should start to think about your stance.

 

[Triumph]

Lol you’re annoyed because I stated the obvious. Ok. There’s a small handful of folks that don’t seem to want to even go that far, that why I say it that way, go talk to them.

They're idiots, and I don't care what idiots think. The idea of saying that a player who has the results Bratt has over the last season and a half is a top 6 forward is preposterous and once again comes back to his draft position. Henrik Zetterberg, top 6 forward.

On the flip there’s a few folks making it seem like Bratt is more than he is. He’s not in the top tier of forwards, statistically in fact he is one tier below them. And that’s fine. He’s not someone that anyone should want replaced, but rather added on to.

I'm not so sure about this because of how good Bratt is at driving play. Nonetheless, I don't really care if he is the 20th best or 30th best winger, he is a top line winger, and people still talk about him like he is redundant or invisible or whatever else they've made up in their head.

 

[My3Sons]

The Bratt conversation is even dumber than usual, so congrats there guys.

If Bratt is so good why does NJ play him on the third line at times?