Confirmed with Link: Devils sign Tomas Tatar - 2 years @ $4.5M AAV

[JimEIV]

Lines are at 5v5. Zacha ranks 10th out of 15 forwards who have played 500 minutes in 5v5 P/60. This is without even getting into the other stuff. Such a reliable top 6 forward...

Where does Jack rank P/60?

 

[Hisch13r]

Where does Jack rank P/60?

12th. Luckily for Jack he drove play at an elite level last season and we're only looking at his 18 and 19 year old seasons.

 

[JimEIV]

Wait a second this site has Zacha as the best player on the team ES P/60 --- Well 2nd behind Zajac
New Jersey Devils @ NHL - 2020‑2021 Stats

	per 60 All Situations	per 60 Even-Strength
Rk	Name	G/60	ESP/60
1	Travis Zajac		2.276
2	Pavel Zacha		2.192
3	Yegor Sharangovich		2.139
4	Nolan Foote		2.078
5	Jesper Bratt		2.063
6	Janne Kuokkanen		1.863
7	Miles Wood		1.843
8	Nicholas Merkley		1.84
9	Jack Hughes		1.601
10	Marian Studenic		1.46
11	Mikhail Maltsev		1.457
12	Michael Mcleod		1.427
13	Jesper Boqvist		1.406
14	Kyle Palmieri		1.345
15	Will Butcher		1.327
16	Nathan Bastian		1.303
17	Nico Hischier		1.225
18	Ty Smith		1.145
19	Kevin Bahl		1.083
20	Nikita Gusev		1.08
21	Ryan Murray		1.037
22	P.K. Subban		1.015
23	Tyce Thompson		0.999
24	Andreas Johnson		0.983
25	Damon Severson		0.922
26	Sami Vatanen		0.822
27	Matt Tennyson		0.64
28	Connor Carrick		0.617
29	Dmitri Kulikov		0.186
30	Jonas Siegenthaler		0
31	Colton White		0
32	A.J. Greer		0
33	Mackenzie Blackwood
34	Scott Wedgewood
35	Aaron Dell
36	Eric Comrie

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[OmNomNom]

He's big. That's good enough

zachabeachbeerbelly.jpg

 

[Canad13ns]

better minds than mine will consider this, but since armchair general managing is what this thread is all about . . .

the last thing we need is another little fast scat back of a winger who hangs on the perimeter, looks for open spaces and scores off the rush. And two or three years after we already have Johnson clogging up the arteries? And forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt Tatar kills penalties either. Big mistake.

I'd like to see us find a 200 to 220 pound guy who fights to the front of the net and tips pucks and plays tough and forechecks and goes into the corners with a vengeance. Anybody with good hands. Hey didn't someone just sign Corey Perry again, who went to the finals with Montreal last year. Give me a guy like that, any guy, I'd have been for James Neal even if I didn't think he was finished

I will be so bummed to see us sign Tatar, who is probably also dressing room poison judging on his recent peripatetic NHL existence. He's exactly what we don't need more of. This will be exactly the kind of PR move to add a scorer that we shouldn't be making.

He's not a locker room cancer! He was specifically praised by everyone (including Bergevin who loves to run down players right before he trades them) for how he handles himself and his professionalism. He just doesn't raise his game in the playoffs.

 

[Nubmer6]

yall are shittin on pizza that looks like its from dominos as if you're beneath it :|

sometimes you just want garbage pizza

No. I never really do

 

[Hisch13r]

He's not a locker room cancer! He was specifically praised by everyone (including Bergevin who loves to run down players right before he trades them) for how he handles himself and his professionalism. He just doesn't raise his game in the playoffs.

Don't you just love when people throw shit out there with nothing concrete?

 

[Hisch13r]

yall are shittin on pizza that looks like its from dominos as if you're beneath it :|

sometimes you just want garbage pizza

You'll never catch me eating Dominos or Pizza Hut or anything like that

 

[OmNomNom]

No. I never really do

do you drink tea like this too

 

[OmNomNom]

You'll never catch me eating Dominos or Pizza Hut or anything like that

...because you eat it in the safety of your own home?

 

[Devil X]

better minds than mine will consider this, but since armchair general managing is what this thread is all about . . .

the last thing we need is another little fast scat back of a winger who hangs on the perimeter, looks for open spaces and scores off the rush. And two or three years after we already have Johnson clogging up the arteries? And forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt Tatar kills penalties either. Big mistake.

I'd like to see us find a 200 to 220 pound guy who fights to the front of the net and tips pucks and plays tough and forechecks and goes into the corners with a vengeance. Anybody with good hands. Hey didn't someone just sign Corey Perry again, who went to the finals with Montreal last year. Give me a guy like that, any guy, I'd have been for James Neal even if I didn't think he was finished

I will be so bummed to see us sign Tatar, who is probably also dressing room poison judging on his recent peripatetic NHL existence. He's exactly what we don't need more of. This will be exactly the kind of PR move to add a scorer that we shouldn't be making.

Hey where is THAT guy? I am sure 31 other teams would like that also.

You can only work with what you are given.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

better minds than mine will consider this, but since armchair general managing is what this thread is all about . . .

the last thing we need is another little fast scat back of a winger who hangs on the perimeter, looks for open spaces and scores off the rush. And two or three years after we already have Johnson clogging up the arteries? And forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt Tatar kills penalties either. Big mistake.

I'd like to see us find a 200 to 220 pound guy who fights to the front of the net and tips pucks and plays tough and forechecks and goes into the corners with a vengeance. Anybody with good hands. Hey didn't someone just sign Corey Perry again, who went to the finals with Montreal last year. Give me a guy like that, any guy, I'd have been for James Neal even if I didn't think he was finished

I will be so bummed to see us sign Tatar, who is probably also dressing room poison judging on his recent peripatetic NHL existence. He's exactly what we don't need more of. This will be exactly the kind of PR move to add a scorer that we shouldn't be making.

Let me know where those types of players are, for free, and then get back to me.

Hell, Brandon Saad is kind of like what you described and the Devils apparently offered him a contract comparable to the one he signed. He chose another team....it happens.

Corey Perry literally cannot skate, He would stink in this system and he isn't a top 6 player anymore anyway. James Neal? Not even worthy of a response.

 

[Hisch13r]

better minds than mine will consider this, but since armchair general managing is what this thread is all about . . .

the last thing we need is another little fast scat back of a winger who hangs on the perimeter, looks for open spaces and scores off the rush. And two or three years after we already have Johnson clogging up the arteries? And forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt Tatar kills penalties either. Big mistake.

I'd like to see us find a 200 to 220 pound guy who fights to the front of the net and tips pucks and plays tough and forechecks and goes into the corners with a vengeance. Anybody with good hands. Hey didn't someone just sign Corey Perry again, who went to the finals with Montreal last year. Give me a guy like that, any guy, I'd have been for James Neal even if I didn't think he was finished

I will be so bummed to see us sign Tatar, who is probably also dressing room poison judging on his recent peripatetic NHL existence. He's exactly what we don't need more of. This will be exactly the kind of PR move to add a scorer that we shouldn't be making.

lol It's so hard to take some of you seriously. Imagine thinking Neal or Perry are better fits. Absolute insanity

 

[MartyOwns]

tatar on his first day here:

 

[Canad13ns]

Don't you just love when people throw shit out there with nothing concrete?

Sheesh, yes. Tatar's going to be great. He came to us as a throw-in with Suzuki for Pacioretty (take $ of their books) because he didn't raise his game for the playoffs for Vegas. We thought he'd be only OK, and instead he led the team in regular season scoring, played almost every game and was on a line that ranked in the top 5 for driving play in the NHL. People are mad because he was essentially pointless in the 5 games he played in the playoffs, when we needed him, but we wouldn't have been in the playoffs without him. Also, he showed up everyday cheering on his teammates, being nothing but positive. And he was responsible defensively. I am worried about us replacing him with Hoffman who is reputedly not responsible defensively and who doesn't have a stellar reputation as a team guy (from Ottawa stuff).

Like your user name My 13 was for Domi in his dominant year.

 

[Nubmer6]

do you drink tea like this too

Hell... I drink my ICED tea like that.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

I know it is hard to accept for many...But over the last two years Zacha has produced more points than any player on the team....If he is not a reliable top 6 option, no one is.

Sorted by PPG

Player	Pos	GP	G	A	P	P/PG
Taylor Hall	L	30	6	19	25	0.83
Kyle Palmieri	R	99	33	29	62	0.63
Nico Hischier	C	79	20	27	47	0.59
Jesper Bratt	L	106	23	39	62	0.58
Pavel Zacha	C	115	25	42	67	0.58
Nikita Gusev	L	86	15	34	49	0.57
Yegor Sharangovich	C	54	16	14	30	0.56
Blake Coleman	C	57	21	10	31	0.54
Janne Kuokkanen	L	51	8	17	25	0.49
Ty Smith	D	48	2	21	23	0.48
Jack Hughes	C	117	18	34	52	0.44
Travis Zajac	C	102	16	27	43	0.42
Damon Severson	D	125	11	41	52	0.42
Will Butcher	D	79	5	27	32	0.41
Wayne Simmonds	R	61	8	16	24	0.39
Miles Wood	L	123	28	20	48	0.39
Nick Merkley	R	31	3	9	12	0.39
Sami Vatanen	D	77	7	22	29	0.38
P.K. Subban	D	112	12	25	37	0.33
Ryan Murray	D	48	0	14	14	0.29
Michael McLeod	C	64	9	8	17	0.27
Andreas Johnsson	L	50	5	6	11	0.22

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Classic Devil]

We really need McLeod to take a step forward, or for someone else to step into that 3rd line center role.

 

[JimEIV]

Sorted by PPG

Player	Pos	GP	G	A	P	P/PG
Taylor Hall	L	30	6	19	25	0.83
Kyle Palmieri	R	99	33	29	62	0.63
Nico Hischier	C	79	20	27	47	0.59
Jesper Bratt	L	106	23	39	62	0.58
Pavel Zacha	C	115	25	42	67	0.58
Nikita Gusev	L	86	15	34	49	0.57
Yegor Sharangovich	C	54	16	14	30	0.56
Blake Coleman	C	57	21	10	31	0.54
Janne Kuokkanen	L	51	8	17	25	0.49
Ty Smith	D	48	2	21	23	0.48
Jack Hughes	C	117	18	34	52	0.44
Travis Zajac	C	102	16	27	43	0.42
Damon Severson	D	125	11	41	52	0.42
Will Butcher	D	79	5	27	32	0.41
Wayne Simmonds	R	61	8	16	24	0.39
Miles Wood	L	123	28	20	48	0.39
Nick Merkley	R	31	3	9	12	0.39
Sami Vatanen	D	77	7	22	29	0.38
P.K. Subban	D	112	12	25	37	0.33
Ryan Murray	D	48	0	14	14	0.29
Michael McLeod	C	64	9	8	17	0.27
Andreas Johnsson	L	50	5	6	11	0.22

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Yeah? He is 5th with two guys who are no longer on the team? That is probably even a strong case for him being a legit top 6 player?

 

[bossram]

I am a recent NJ convert! I come in peace! Tatar is a very good supporting player and should look good next to Nico or Jack. He'll help their two-way games and in transition (not that Jack needs the help in that area).

Excellent signing.

 

[OmNomNom]

I am a recent NJ convert! I come in peace! Tatar is a very good supporting player and should look good next to Nico or Jack. He'll help their two-way games and in transition (not that Jack needs the help in that area).

Excellent signing.

welcome! woah nice avatar, i remember when these boards were hyped over shinkaruk pre-draft

 

[Guttersniped]

Tatar - Hughes - Sharangovich
Zacha - Hischier - Bratt
Johnsson - Boqvist/Mercer/UFA - Kuokkanen
Wood - McLeod - Zetterlund/Studenic/UFA

Graves - Hamilton
Smith - Severson
Siegenthaler - Subban

Blackwood - Bernier

I really like Kuokkanen but he went the Jacob Josefson School of NHL Shooting. He just doesn’t shoot the puck nearly enough and when he does, it doesn’t particularly go that great. JaJo (who I loved by the way) weirdly flubbed shots while Kuokkanen often shoots wide. Cartoonishly, Mr Magoo wide.

And don’t even start with Zajac with Rango and Kuokkanen, if you can’t tell that their offensive production was straight from Flukyville, USA, I don’t know what to tell you.

A playmaking winger is a hard-sell on the top six, unless they driving play like a MFer, you typically need goals from them.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Yeah? He is 5th with two guys who are no longer on the team? That is probably even a strong case for him being a legit top 6 player?

Putting it in ratios to make it a level field for analysis. Doing totals when players don't have equal number of games is distorting the optics.

If you want to make the case for the top 6 roles, do just last year and ratios since there's new players that don't get a fair shake using a 2 year window.

 

[bossram]

welcome! woah nice avatar, i remember when these boards were hyped over shinkaruk pre-draft

Lmao I know. I stuck with the avi, mostly because Hunter and I have the same birth date. Weird attachment to it.

I am nominally a Canucks "fan", but the franchise is just too depressing. I usually pick a couple "less popular" teams to follow for a few seasons for fun. Used to be Carolina and Dallas for me, but due to recent events, I am rescinding my Carolina fandom.

NJ has a young, exciting team and seems to be on the right side of the analytics debates. Jack is going to absolutely blow up next year. Plus you guys have Dougie now. Go Devils!

 

[JimEIV]

Putting it in ratios to make it a level field for analysis. Doing totals when players don't have equal number of games is distorting the optics.

If you want to make the case for the top 6 roles, do just last year and ratios since there's new players that don't get a fair shake using a 2 year window.

I'm not so I agree with that...I mean I don't want to put a guy that can't stay healthy on equal footing with a guy who can...It is great that you put up .59 ppg in 79 games...But 124 games were played during that period...Someone being out for 50 games of 124 hurts the team as much as .59ppg helped the team.