Devils fans throw beer on ice, Leafs bench. Cause delay of game.

[Blender]

Hockey player's sign up for the possibility of being hit with a slap shot, that is a potential outcome that can occur while playing the game

They don't sign up for being hit with cans full of beer from height

We're talking about what is considered dangerous. Of course they don't sign up to being hit by beer, that is unpleasant and shouldn't happen. That doesn't mean they were in danger, that's just being dramatic.

 

[TaLoN]

We're talking about what is considered dangerous. Of course they don't sign up to being hit by beer, that is unpleasant and shouldn't happen. That doesn't mean they were in danger, that's just being dramatic.

A hockey player, being dramatic? No way!

You're talking about a bunch of guys who act like they're getting killed half the time when a stick swings up within a foot of their face to draw a penalty.

 

[Puckclektr]

Not to disagree with you too much but you can get upper bowl seats in Toronto for $100 to $150. I frequently buy tickets in standing room - I paid under $150 face value for the home opener this year. I went to all 4 games vs. Tampa in the playoffs and paid around $200 per ticket.

Of course tickets in other cities are more affordable, but you can get into a game in Toronto for a lot less than people claim. A lot of people say you can fly to Florida, get a hotel for a few nights and a ticket to a game there for less than one ticket in Toronto and that's just not true.

Very hard to get those $150 tickets. I remember being a part of the last minute club in Toronto about ten years ago and got “one”ticket in the last row against Minnesota which was then it’s boring team in the league. I tried every game to get something and it took my almost the whole season to get one.
Tampa tickets were expensive the last time I went but still cheaper for us to go to than Toronto.
Getting a single ticket in Toronto isn’t extremely hard. But getting four tickets for a family is very expensive.
The fly to Toronto claim used to be doable. Quite easily.
I did it with my brother quite often. My buddy and his family would fly to florida for cheaper although they had their own house.
Depending on the time of year and where you stay you could do it.
Family of four is easily $1000 for tickets in Toronto. Your not getting them for face value. If you do, you know someone willing to not make a profit.
Fly to florida round trip for $100 get a $50 motel in April for a few days spend a few days at the beach and get tickets for a game and still save money. Easily doable pre pandemic. And still can be possible if you can find the right flight and do a little digging.
I haven’t tried to fly down for a game but there are still flights under $100 and October early November and April $50 hotels are quite common as it isn’t tourist season.

Philly/NJ definitely have this repuation. I've seen the odd can of beer or trash thrown, I don't think I've ever seen piles and piles of beer cans like that (outside of Philly/NJ).

The dumbest part is throwing it at the players. You are so mad at the refs you throw it at the players who just beat you? Straight up cro-magnon behaviour.

Just jerseys and eggo waffles.

 

[DeletedUser539]

What a waste of over priced shitty beer

 

[njdevil26]

The only thing that could have made last night even more insane was if it was the Rangers instead of the Leafs. There would have been all out brawls in the stands and Ranger fans would have been like "oh hey we're throwing stuff? let's go!"

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Translation, throwing shit at the opposing teams players and on the ice because you don't know the rules of the NHL is absolutely disgusting and classless. They were throwing beers at the Leafs players because they were frustrated about 3 waived off goals, which was the correct call, because they don't understand the rules. Craig Button, one of the most notorious anti-leaf analysts on TV agreed they were the correct calls.

Getting frustrated is one thing, going about it the way they did is just pathetic. I agree they should be consistent and call all the plays/infractions the same, but you think what the fans in Jersey did last night was appropriate ?

The funniest thing to me is people trying to derail this thread into, "Murray knocked his own net off!" as if that is a bigger deal than fans throwing stuff at the opposing teams players and on the ice. I know the Devils fans on this site are better than that, but it seemed like the crowd in the arena last night was just filled with casual fans who showed up because of the team playing phenomenal hockey, they had no real understanding of the rules at all.

Yeah, I'm not replying to you seriously after I just read your other posts and you think the Leafs owned the 2nd and 3rd. You're clearly trying to bait Devils fans.

 

[njdevil26]

What absolutely made things worse last night was the fact that we didn't get good replays in the arena.

In fact, the third goal (Haula's kick) wasn't shown to the fans. The ONLY replay we got of that was an overhead goal camera angle that didn't even have Haula in the frame. It showed the puck go off of Giordano's skate into the net.

I'm never going to make excuses for people throwing things... but that didn't help the situation. The crowd wasn't even shown what it was no goal.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The only thing that could have made last night even more insane was if it was the Rangers instead of the Leafs. There would have been all out brawls in the stands and Ranger fans would have been like "oh hey we're throwing stuff? let's go!"

Flyers would be the worst, Rangers fans don't fight like them for the most part from the games I've been to. Flyers fans are way more aggressive and Flyers fans will also have a reason to engage Devils fans if shit was being thrown.

 

[billingtons ghost]

The second goal, the only question was if tatar deserved a 2 min penalty for goalie interference or not...

The 1st ine, you can arge but

1- he was on goalie circle
2- nobody push him
3- he created contact with murray skate
4- that affected Murray ability to make the stop
5- Murray was in good position to make the save without contact

Hit every case of goalie interference... yes 3 goal dissallowed is pretty impresive but every call was the right call.

Its not a special offer, score 2 illegal goal and the 3rd will count

I quoted the actual rulebook in my post above.
Whatever your subjective opinion might be about goal two, Murray was out of his crease, and Tatar did not intentionally initiate contact. Whatever argument you can come up with, according to the rule book, the goal should have stood and not been waved off. There's no other way to interpret the rule unless you think Tatar tried to check Murray on purpose?

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I will say. If they said the first goal, was a goal...I wouldn't be too upset as a Leaf fan. Although, ref called it off on the ice and good luck overturning - if there's a shred of uncertainty.

Other 2. Simple calls imo, that were amplified due to the miss on #1

 

[IDEKWTM]

Not much we can do about that as fans, but you can't question our loyalty to the team. We show up in good years and in bad. NJ's rink has been a ghost town since they started missing the playoffs. I respect teams like NYI who filled their barn last year even in a bad season. I've loved watching NJ this year, I'll still watch them, but that fanbase is toxic as hell. Bunch of grown men screaming f*** you, faces bright red, throwing beer at players who had nothing to do with the call.

Just a terrible look, and even worse that fans in here are defending it.

This is a perfect example of discrimination.

Take a very small minority in a group of people and paint everyone with the same brush.

 

[thusk]

I quoted the actual rulebook in my post above.
Whatever your subjective opinion might be about goal two, Murray was out of his crease, and Tatar did not intentionally initiate contact. Whatever argument you can come up with, according to the rule book, the goal should have stood and not been waved off. There's no other way to interpret the rule unless you think Tatar tried to check Murray on purpose?

It should have been a 2 min interference ... it is illegal to make physical contact like hit with goaltender no matter where he was positioned on the ice

 

[AcerComputer]

The goalie is out of the crease. You are interpreting this differently than the rule book.

Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Clearly:
1. Outside the crease
2. Not deliberate impeding.

The goal should count. I don't know any other way to interpret the rule as written.

I've covered the rule extensively, try reading parts you did not highlight. The league reviewed the goal and determined it was no goal, which was the correct call. Although these plays are rare, they have been very consistent on these calls over the years when they have come up.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Haula said he got hit by stuff and it wasn't a big deal, he was just concerned for the staff without equipment. Marner is being absurdly dramatic when he's out there in full equipment. He can get hit by a puck on the ice but not a can of beer?

I disagree. You don't expect to get hit by beer when you are a player. Getting hit by a puck during normal play is totally different then getting hit with a can full of beer.

Really? it's not a big deal when fans start throwing shit on the ice? And for a nothing game in November too.

 

[AvroArrow]

This is gold coming from the guy who thought the NHL rigged the Lightning Leafs series in Tampas favor.

I know you're not talking weren't you the guy whining about an offside being the determining factor in a series where the Oilers got swept LOL

 

[Blender]

I've covered the rule extensively, try reading parts you did not highlight. The league reviewed the goal and determined it was no goal, which was the correct call. Although these plays are rare, they have been very consistent on these calls over the years when they have come up.

Whatever your opinion on the call last night, claiming they have been consistent is just blatantly false.

 

[TaLoN]

Whatever your opinion on the call last night, claiming they have been consistent is just blatantly false.

The top one, the goalie sticks out his leg to try to trip the skater. The bottom one, the player body checked the goalie.

 

[Oneiro]

If you've been going to games in the tri-state area - NJ, NY, PHI - for 2 or 3+ decades, you know that absolutely no fanbase here is innocent. It's an area with 20 million people - of all the places in North America not to paint with a broad brush, this (NJ/NY/PA) is the one.

I love the passion but last night was an L for us Devils fans, though the team played its ass off in the last two periods trying to keep it going. I'm proud of the team but fans throwing shit, especially at players, is weak.

 

[Blender]

The top one, the goalie sticks out his leg to try to trip the skater. The bottom one, the player body checked the goalie.

"Body checked the goalie" get out of here. Tatar is skating in a straight line and Murray skates into the side of Tatar.

The top one the goalie is backing up towards his net.

Either the goalie is entitled to the space between where they are and the net or they are not, and this joke of a league can't make their mind up on what the standard is. The claim was that the NHL is "very consistent" on this, which is in no way true. I can't name a single thing the NHL is consistent on except being inconsistent.

 

[The Devil In I]

The top one, the goalie sticks out his leg to try to trip the skater. The bottom one, the player body checked the goalie.

If by body checked you mean barely made contact with an incidental bump? 5 star flop by Murray. Even jerking his right arm around to flail his stick and make it more dramatic.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Not much we can do about that as fans, but you can't question our loyalty to the team. We show up in good years and in bad. NJ's rink has been a ghost town since they started missing the playoffs. I respect teams like NYI who filled their barn last year even in a bad season. I've loved watching NJ this year, I'll still watch them, but that fanbase is toxic as hell. Bunch of grown men screaming f*** you, faces bright red, throwing beer at players who had nothing to do with the call.

Just a terrible look, and even worse that fans in here are defending it.

Pls stop with this BS.

You got douche bags in every arena, in every fanbase, in every game. Probably even in the Arizona arena

I mean a Rangers fan almost killed a Tampa fan after the playoff game in the MSG corridor. Guess only the HF sociologists would come in and say every Rangers fan is violent maniac with anger controlling issues.

 

[TaLoN]

"Body checked the goalie" get out of here. Tatar is skating in a straight line and Murray skates into the side of Tatar.

The top one the goalie is backing up towards his net.

Either the goalie is entitled to the space between where they are and the net or they are not, and this joke of a league can't make their mind up on what the standard is. The claim was that the NHL is "very consistent" on this, which is in no way true. I can't name a single thing the NHL is consistent on except being inconsistent.

I'm not claiming consistency, just pointing out the difference between the two examples. They are absolutely not the same scenario.

Going to the net or not, you can't stick your leg in front of any skater. It's tripping, intended or not.

 

[Magic 8 Ball]

btw does anyone have problems loading HFboards on google chrome? I am having serious issues

Have you tried thowing a can of beer at your computer?

 

[JT Kreider]

The only thing that could have made last night even more insane was if it was the Rangers instead of the Leafs. There would have been all out brawls in the stands and Ranger fans would have been like "oh hey we're throwing stuff? let's go!"

Not true. There wouldn't have been any Devils fans there for Rangers fans* to fight with.

 

[Forge]

Not true. There wouldn't have been any Devils fans there for Rangers to fight with.

That's a good one. Well done