Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[Bleedred]

I think Jeremy Colliton is the mastermind behind our power play this year, and he's probably the best PP guy we've had since Dave Barr was coaching it? We may be going back to Uncle Slava for the last time it looked this good.

Colliton is really young and already had a stint as head coach for the Hawks for several years after serving as their AHL head coach for a couple of years, as well as an AHL head coach for the Vancouver (I think?) affiliate before we hired him.

He was also a head coach in Sweden for 4 years before all that.

His Chicago head coaching stint didn't go well, but he was so young, even younger than some of their players at the time and that was at the start of their crumbling.

Basically what I'm saying is I could totally see him getting another shot coaching an NHL team sooner or later, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is his only year here.

 

[dgibb10]

The 2022 draft class has always been seen as a very weak draft class, specifically at the top.

Lindstrom Isn't on the same level as Fantili or Carlssson but injuries aside he was clearly a better talent than any player from the 2022 class.

Nemec not being on the Fantili, Carlsson, Bedard, Michkov, Celebrini tier goes without saying. My point is Nemec isn't your usual top 5 defensive prospect. Just to compare him to the 2024 draft class, I would say he's on a similar tier to the defenseman that went between 7th-12th overall in that draft class. Which more so goes to my point that Nemec is a very good defensive prospect but not some untouchable defenseman that's a for sure top pairing defenseman in the future.

And to compare him to the 2023 draft class he'd be the best dman in it.

And to compare Lindstrom to the 2023 draft class he's comparable to the forwards that went in 8-13 range.

And I'd take a number of those D picked in that 8-13 range over Lindstrom as well, specifically Silayev and Dickinson

 

[My3Sons]

I think Jeremy Colliton is the mastermind behind our power play this year, and he's probably the best PP guy we've had since Dave Barr was coaching it? We may be going back to Uncle Slava for the last time it looked this good.

Colliton is really young and already had a stint as head coach for the Hawks for several years after serving as their AHL head coach for a couple of years, as well as an AHL head coach for the Vancouver (I think?) affiliate before we hired him.

He was also a head coach in Sweden for 4 years before all that.

His Chicago head coaching stint didn't go well, but he was so young, even younger than some of their players at the time and that was at the start of their crumbling.

Basically what I'm saying is I could totally see him getting another shot coaching an NHL team sooner or later, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is his only year here.

Some guy who allegedly knew a player under Colliton said that he plays favorites and is a jerk to the players he doesn’t like. I don’t know if that is true but he was pretty adamant about it.

 

[Lou Bloom]

And to compare him to the 2023 draft class he'd be the best dman in it.

And to compare Lindstrom to the 2023 draft class he's comparable to the forwards that went in 8-13 range.

And I'd take a number of those D picked in that 8-13 range over Lindstrom as well, specifically Silayev and Dickinson

I would have had Nemec as a similar talent to Willander, Simashev and Reinbacher.

I would have had Lindstrom over any forward not named Bedard, Fantili, Carlssson or Michkov (which is one of the best forward classes at the top you're going to ever find.) If Lindstrom was in the 2023 class, I think there's a good chance he'd go over Will Smith at #4 depending on what his medicals looked like at the time of the draft.

I wouldn't have taken any of the defenseman over Lindstrom, but I did have Silayev just behind him at #4.

Either way even if you're lower on Lindstrom than I am, that doesn't change the original point that Nemec shouldn't be an untouchable player. If you think Lindstrom is similar in caliber to Dalibor Dvorsky or Ryan Leonard, then sure you can expect Nemec to bring back a prospect of similar caliber. All I'm saying is to not expect a high end top 5 pick center prospect back in a trade since Nemec isn't your average 2nd overall pick.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

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my god I have wanted Tuch for years.

I agree if we got a competent winger for Jack and Bratt, that line might be unstoppable

 

[MasterofGrond]

I would murder somebody for mccann

 

[dgibb10]

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my god I have wanted Tuch for years.

I agree if we got a competent winger for Jack and Bratt, that line might be unstoppable

It already is

 

[Emperoreddy]

 

[Mgd31]

I don't think you have to limit your options to center. If an elite young wing prospect was available that fit in with out core that would certainly be a trade worth making.

I also think it would depend on how you value Nemec. If you're expecting a Leo Carlsson, Adam Fantili, Cayden Lindstrom type of prospect back for Nemec then you're going to be very disappointed because Nemec was never on those guys same level as prospects even though he was drafted 2nd overall.

Most people look at the fact that he was 2nd overall and forget that the 2022 class was extremely weak at the top relative to other draft classes, If you settle your expectations to more reasonable levels then I think there's fair value trades that could present themselves since teams are always looking for young defenseman.

McTavish. Ducks could use a young RD

 

[TrufleShufle]

I like how he switches line situationally, but overall keeps them the same, even through rough patches.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

I hope Nemec is patient, but if he doesn't have a surefire spot next season there might be some tough decisions ahead to avoid a Holtz situation, who just wasn't that good anyway, but his value was certainly higher at one point. Nemec's situation is a little different where he's clearly skilled and has shown it for many games, but we really do have a jam on D right now while Hamilton's contract is still too far out.

I think Nemec is still ahead of Casey on the depth chart. If team can’t re-sign Kovacevic to a team friendly deal, Nemec should be favorite to take the place in the lineup.

The season in AHL will do good for him. Likewise Casey would I wouldn’t rush. Let him have two full seasons of AHL development before I would consider him for a regular NHL spot.

 

[Oneiro]

I don't know what you're giving up to get a lot of those guys. I'm not sure I love parting with Casey or Nemec for players of the tier mentioned in that twitter thread, even if they have team control. And many of those teams really can't sit through getting a pick back and waiting on that guy at the end of the first round to help them in three years.

Nemec simply turning out to be on par with a Pesce, Greene or Lindell is still huge - that's 8 years of team control when it matters most for an all situations player. I don't see anything that tells me he can't be that. It needs to be something serious and undeniable if you part with him. Not a prospect swap.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Soon @ all this winger talk for Jack/Bratt

 

[Lou Bloom]

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my god I have wanted Tuch for years.

I agree if we got a competent winger for Jack and Bratt, that line might be unstoppable

Tuch would be awesome but I think Buffalo would ask for a ridiculous return to move him. Same with McCann, can't see Seattle trading him for anything short of a massive overpayment with two years left after this one.

Don't really love any of the other options, If we're looking at top 6, I'd prefer Vatrano who's cheaper, younger and should only cost you around a 2nd round + small add. Otherwise focus on the bottom 6 with players like O Connor or Sturm who are quality bottom 6 adds for cheap and in O Connors case being from the area could be a cheap multiple year signing in the offseason.

 

[Lou Bloom]

McTavish. Ducks could use a young RD

McTavish has stalled out a bit with Anaheim. If Anaheim was interested I'd prefer Gauthier, who could develop into an ideal partner down the line next to Hughes and Bratt.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The ideal pick up is a top 9 winger that can also play center that can either play with Jack and Bratt or play center if we need them to.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Canes are slumping right now. We need to get a heater going to take advantage and build a cushion on 2nd place.

 

[Clam Jensen]

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my god I have wanted Tuch for years.

I agree if we got a competent winger for Jack and Bratt, that line might be unstoppable

Would take any of the first 3 in a heartbeat.

 

[My3Sons]

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my god I have wanted Tuch for years.

I agree if we got a competent winger for Jack and Bratt, that line might be unstoppable

Best third line in the league

 

[dgibb10]

I think Nemec is still ahead of Casey on the depth chart. If team can’t re-sign Kovacevic to a team friendly deal, Nemec should be favorite to take the place in the lineup.

The season in AHL will do good for him. Likewise Casey would I wouldn’t rush. Let him have two full seasons of AHL development before I would consider him for a regular NHL spot.

Casey only has a spot in NJD as a PP weapon if/when dougie moves.

He doesn't fill a role on NJD with Dougie and Luke on the roster tho.

 

[Guttersniped]

Would take any of the first 3 in a heartbeat.

I would too but their teams aren’t trading them.

I was hoping to check out potential rental Yanni Gourde on Friday but the little fella stood us up.

 

[NJDfan86]

I wonder if Ottawa would consider a Batherson/Mercer deal straight up? Ottawa needs a shakeup and Dawson needs a wake up.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Casey only has a spot in NJD as a PP weapon if/when dougie moves.

He doesn't fill a role on NJD with Dougie and Luke on the roster tho.

Casey is more than just a PP QB.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I wonder if Ottawa would consider a Batherson/Mercer deal straight up? Ottawa needs a shakeup and Dawson needs a wake up.

I’d rather go for Giroux. Stick him next to Jack/Bratt and on PP2.

 

[dgibb10]

Casey is more than just a PP QB.

Not at the NHL level right now. If he's not playing on the PP, you can find much better value elsewhere