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Unintentionally or not, people seem to be misunderstanding my posts on the subject, so I shall type very clearly, and re-hash what I've said, so as to avoid annoying rhetorical one-offs.

-We need centers. Fact. Period. Our organizational center depth sucks at the prospect ranks and the AHL. We have a plethora of wingers to call up and that are marinating in other leagues, same with defensemen and goalies. We have like two centers in our system total and the best projections have one of them maybe being a 3C in like 5 years.

-Getting a better center than Haula would be nothing but a positive for team with deep playoff run aspirations. Can't honestly see why people are arguing with that, but sure, who am I to judge.

-Not saying that Nemec is the piece to get us these centers, but RD is our true position of strength in both numbers and quality, so that'd probably be the position that gets mined if players/prospects have to go the other way to facilitate this.
 
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None Shall Pass said:
Unintentionally or not, people seem to be misunderstanding my posts on the subject, so I shall type very clearly, and re-hash what I've said, so as to avoid annoying rhetorical one-offs.

-We need centers. Fact. Period. Our organizational center depth sucks at the prospect ranks and the AHL. We have a plethora of wingers to call up and that are marinating in other leagues, same with defensemen and goalies. We have like two centers in our system total and the best projections have one of them maybe being a 3C in like 5 years.

-Getting a better center than Haula would be nothing but a positive for team with deep playoff run aspirations. Can't honestly see why people are arguing with that, but sure, who am I to judge.

-Not saying that Nemec is the piece to get us these centers, but RD is our true position of strength in both numbers and quality, so that'd probably be the position that gets mined if players/prospects have to go the other way to facilitate this.
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I'm still not sure why you want to trade Nemac straight up for a 4c.
 
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Your front office should be competent enough to add “center depth” without trading one of the most valuable defensive pieces in the league. I would sooner trade Dawson Mercer to do that over Nemec.

We could use some center depth in Utica and maybe a guy that can handle C duties better than Mercer as emergency depth. But you can afford to not have great organizational depth at C when you have the best top 6 C situation the franchise has ever had by 1000 miles.
 
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SteveCangialosi123 said:
Your front office should be competent enough to add “center depth” without trading one of the most valuable defensive pieces in the league. I would sooner trade Dawson Mercer to do that over Nemec.

We could use some center depth in Utica and maybe a guy that can handle C duties better than Mercer as emergency depth. But you can afford to not have great organizational depth at C when you have the best top 6 C situation the franchise has ever had by 1000 miles.
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Also, the bottom 6 C UFA crop this coming offseason is the best it's been in a WHILE. I don't think it's a coincidence that fitz filled every other position for term

our entire top 9, starting goalie, and 6 dmen counting nemec are all locked up for next year.
 
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Only way you trade Nemec for a center is if they're close in age and the team gets a better prospect. I know Will Smith has played wing this year so that argument is kinda dead even if SJ gets Hagens but that's someone I'd trade Nemec for if SJ wants to trade again lol
 
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If you draft a guy at 2nd overall it's because you think he can be a franchise cornerstone. Unless we're getting something like a Will Smith mentioned above then I don't really see anything that makes sense. (But I don't see any team wanting to do that)

Regardless Nemec is currently giving us some of the best D depth in the league. I think even now he's good enough to start on a majority of NHL teams. Plus with how good Luke has looked under Keefe I really want to see Nemec under him with a proper complimentary partner.
 
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Alex NJD said:
If you draft a guy at 2nd overall it's because you think he can be a franchise cornerstone. Unless we're getting something like a Will Smith mentioned above then I don't really see anything that makes sense. (But I don't see any team wanting to do that)

Regardless Nemec is currently giving us some of the best D depth in the league. I think even now he's good enough to start on a majority of NHL teams. Plus with how good Luke has looked under Keefe I really want to see Nemec under him with a proper complimentary partner.
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It's early, but the top of the 2022 draft is so far looking like 2002 or 1996. Some drafts just don't have any franchise cornerstones, or they emerge after several years from lower down in the draft. Nemec being in the minors in his D+3 (and by multiple accounts, not looking dominant down there) is not a great sign - he also looked pretty bad up here too.

I'm not saying they should trade him, but it has to be a consideration. The Devils got Andrei Zyuzin 5 years after he was drafted 2nd overall for a bunch of extra pieces. Sometimes that's how it goes.
 
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ZachaFlockaFlame said:
Only way you trade Nemec for a center is if they're close in age and the team gets a better prospect. I know Will Smith has played wing this year so that argument is kinda dead even if SJ gets Hagens but that's someone I'd trade Nemec for if SJ wants to trade again lol
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After seeing Kraken tonight what about Nemec for Matty Beniers
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
Your front office should be competent enough to add “center depth” without trading one of the most valuable defensive pieces in the league. I would sooner trade Dawson Mercer to do that over Nemec.

We could use some center depth in Utica and maybe a guy that can handle C duties better than Mercer as emergency depth. But you can afford to not have great organizational depth at C when you have the best top 6 C situation the franchise has ever had by 1000 miles.
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Nobody is arguing trading Nemec for a depth piece, the argument is trading him for a similar caliber young forward that can bring immediate help in a bottom 6 role/middle 6 role, that can be a major impact forward in the future.
 
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Suter/Sturm might be great UFA options. For more depth, I might be in for Eyssimont/Lazar .

If he Suter keeps on playing like that. His contract might be too juicy though.
 
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The Maven knows

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is a player-for-player trade with Kovacevic a possibility?

I understand we love him and we love the defensive depth we have, but the abundance of defensive depth looks a little bit silly when your bottom 4-5 forwards look like… *gestures wildly*
 
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is a player-for-player trade with Kovacevic a possibility?

I understand we love him and we love the defensive depth we have, but the abundance of defensive depth looks a little bit silly when your bottom 4-5 forwards look like… *gestures wildly*
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It's not a possibility, and the Devils' bottom 4-5 forwards are fine for now. Bastian should be back in less than 2 weeks.

One thing that everyone seems to be missing is that the Devils have almost no cap space and switching Kovacevic for Nemec would cost almost $150k in cap space that they barely have (meaning the forward they acquire has to be very inexpensive, which most are not). They can LTIR Lazar to create a bit more but that's going to start to get complicated once Lazar has to come off.
 
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Triumph said:
It's not a possibility, and the Devils' bottom 4-5 forwards are fine for now. Bastian should be back in less than 2 weeks.

One thing that everyone seems to be missing is that the Devils have almost no cap space and switching Kovacevic for Nemec would cost almost $150k in cap space that they barely have (meaning the forward they acquire has to be very inexpensive, which most are not). They can LTIR Lazar to create a bit more but that's going to start to get complicated once Lazar has to come off.
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Is Bastian coming back supposed to make me feel better about the bottom half of our offense? Because oh god.

Don’t the devils carry 3 health bombs right now? I’m not asking the devils to trade kovacevic for a top-6 player making 7+.

Feels like 30% of the way through the season they can afford a $2-$3m player by getting creative with the cap.
 
MB3 said:
is a player-for-player trade with Kovacevic a possibility?

I understand we love him and we love the defensive depth we have, but the abundance of defensive depth looks a little bit silly when your bottom 4-5 forwards look like… *gestures wildly*
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Makes no sense to trade him. It would make a spot for Casey or Nemec sure but it could throw things off big time. Casey and Nemec are where they should be right now. Nemec needs to start to find his offensive game again down there too.

I'm not sure how we are going to be able to keep Kovacevic but I'm content with keeping him and trying to sign him to an extension. Don't want to overpay for him but he is probably going to want to test the waters and maybe a desperate team will.
 
There are very few people who are untouchable. Nemec isn't one of them. That said, think it would be really difficult to find a trade that works well for the devils right now.

I really don't have a ton of interest in moving him for the jiricek package.

Maybe you get a comparable prospect, but I think this is an extremely limited number of guys who are actually available. Especially if you're also looking for someone who will help the big club this season

Would you move him for byfield?

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Didn't realize byfield got 6+ contract. Well damn. For some reason I thought he was on a bridge. Don't think they can afford that contract anyway

So yeah, I think you just stick with nemec and see what's what I'm a couple of years
 
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