Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[devilsblood]

Hughes, Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Meier, Nemec is the core.

Chances of this 10th overall developing into a player that becomes a core piece? Very slim imo.

Time to add valuable veteran players to supplement the core.

I'd say the chances of the #10 becoming a core piece are pretty good.

But at best that player becomes an important player 2-3 years from now.

Coleman becomes a key piece next year. Markstrom too.

Both those guys are short term, and maybe too short term I can't deny the age factor, but they definitely are big improvements right out of the gate.

Coleman would be excellent on multiple fronts, speed, defense, pk, tenacity, weight room.

 

[Oneiro]

The thing about trading this pick is that I don’t know how the cap is going to work if you’re getting a player worthy of that trade.

I assume Luke and Nemec are minimum 8x8. Bridging them is a terrible idea. The cap jumping past 102 or so before that happens is possible but you still have a year or two of being right up against it. And that’s without adding any mid tier depth forward.

Real tricky times. That Palat deal was so stupid.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don’t think fitz is dumb and has done anything for use to believe otherwise in terms of trades

All of his trades have been very reasonable. I don’t see him as the guy selling the farm

Basically what I mean is if this team isn’t a playoff contender with jack nico bratt Timo dougie Luke nemec then there is a serious issue and the 10th isn’t putting them over the hump.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I hear you. I really do.

But quality veteran players with proven production and talent are not to be sniffed at.

Look at what Ekholm is doing for the Oilers. 34 years old.

Every year, the championship winning team has examples of quality veteran adds. Players that can supplement your built core, to help put them over.

thats fine, trade picks other than 10th overall for those guys

 

[JrFischer54]

I'd say the chances of the #10 becoming a core piece are pretty good.

But at best that player becomes an important player 2-3 years from now.

Coleman becomes a key piece next year. Markstrom too.

Both those guys are short term, and maybe too short term I can't deny the age factor, but they definitely are big improvements right out of the gate.

Coleman would be excellent on multiple fronts, speed, defense, pk, tenacity, weight room.

I don’t care if they are short term enough trying to plan the cap out 5-7 years from now eventually you have to win now before you worry about it 5 years from now.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

The thing about trading this pick is that I don’t know how the cap is going to work if you’re getting a player worthy of that trade.

I assume Luke and Nemec are minimum 8x8. Bridging them is a terrible idea. The cap jumping past 102 or so before that happens is possible but you still have a year or two of being right up against it. And that’s without adding any mid tier depth forward.

Real tricky times. That Palat deal was so stupid.

I am not worried about this contracts of those guys, especially with the cap going up. You don't NOT make a move because you MIGHT have to pay a guy in 2 years. No teams do this.

 

[JrFischer54]

thats fine, trade picks other than 10th overall for those guys

You don’t want to give up 10 for markstrom fine but what about ullmark or saros? It will take the 10 plus more than a big contract is that a better option? What’s your choice if not markstrom if it takes the 10 to get him and something else back?

 

[StevenToddIves]

Three seasons until Nico is UFA.

The player who is picked 10th overall might not even be in the league by then.

Entirely depends on the player chosen.

If the Devils take an "upside project" pick like Eiserman, Sennecke or Hage, you might be right. But if they take a Helenius or Nygard, then these players will absolutely be regular NHLers in 3 years.

 

[JrFischer54]

Entirely depends on the player chosen.

If the Devils take an "upside project" pick like Eiserman, Sennecke or Hage, you might be right. But if they take a Helenius or Nygard, then these players will absolutely be regular NHLers in 3 years.

When you say regular nhlers what do you mean? Like Zacha and Mikey were every day nhlers and they suck for where they were picked. For 10 I don’t want a regular nhl player I want a top 6 borderline top 4

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You don’t want to give up 10 for markstrom fine but what about ullmark or saros? It will take the 10 plus more than a big contract is that a better option? What’s your choice if not markstrom if it takes the 10 to get him and something else back?

the only goalie I would trade 10 for (and more) is Swayman.

 

[Devils Trap]

If we trade 10 for any goalie available not named Swayman we lost the trade badly.

There isnt one worth it

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

For what it's worth also, the Devils have not shown that they're worth an offseason trade with trading a pick that high yet. 22-23 is obviously the high point with this core currently but they need to string 2-3 more seasons where I feel comfortable with them trading firsts a year out unless it's an out of this world player

You don’t want to give up 10 for markstrom fine but what about ullmark or saros? It will take the 10 plus more than a big contract is that a better option? What’s your choice if not markstrom if it takes the 10 to get him and something else back?

Ullmark has his hips dangling with duct tape at 30. I'm good off of him for the 10th. Saros scares me because it could be very Trouba esque where you get a guy who's been great elsewhere pre big contract and it blows up in their face. Markstrom is the perfect guy to get because if he sucks which is possible with his ups and downs then it doesn't blow this core's chances of a Cup and move on and try to find someone else. You miss on Saros and he sucks on that deal, your window is closed before it opened.

 

[Bcap88]

It’s just bad asset management to trade 10 for a goalie not named swayman or for a forward not in the Brady tkachuk tier/defensemen of equal tier

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Three seasons until Nico is UFA.

The player who is picked 10th overall might not even be in the league by then.

My level of concern for Nico leaving is zero. He will be a lifer. And if he did leave, I’d rather have Konsta Helenius than 40 year old Markstrom.

 

[Bleedred]

For what it's worth also, the Devils have not shown that they're worth an offseason trade with trading a pick that high yet. 22-23 is obviously the high point with this core currently but they need to string 2-3 more seasons where I feel comfortable with them trading firsts a year out unless it's an out of this world player



Ullmark has his hips dangling with duct tape at 30. I'm good off of him for the 10th. Saros scares me because it could be very Trouba esque where you get a guy who's been great elsewhere pre big contract and it blows up in their face. Markstrom is the perfect guy to get because if he sucks which is possible with his ups and downs then it doesn't blow this core's chances of a Cup and move on and try to find someone else. You miss on Saros and he sucks on that deal, your window is closed before it opened.

Does Ullmark have bad hips? I haven’t heard of that before, other than reading some posts about it.

I saw something Weekes said about him playing through a debilitating injury last year during the playoffs, but never saw anything more about what it was.

 

[JrFischer54]

It’s just bad asset management to trade 10 for a goalie not named swayman or for a forward not in the Brady tkachuk tier/defensemen of equal tier

Those types of players are hardly ever available and would cost way more than a 10 to get them. It’s also bad asset management to not use your biggest chip that won’t take away from the current on ice talent and only help them.

No brainer for me trade the pick.

 

[Bleedred]

Swayman is the 2024 version of what Cory Schneider was in 2013.

Still a bit younger than Cory was in 2013. But he’s also been stuck behind another goalie and hasn’t really had the opportunity to be a clear cut starter because of it, much like Cory until a year after he got here.

But with Ullmark not having 10 years left on his deal (like Luongo at that time, who they traded 8 months later anyway) I don’t think anyone in Boston is feeling like trading him.

 

[Bcap88]

Does Ullmark have bad hips? I haven’t heard of that before, other than reading some posts about it.

I saw something Weekes said about him playing through a debilitating injury last year during the playoffs, but never saw anything more about what it was.

Quick recovery helped Sabres goalie Linus Ullmark reach NHL - Buffalo Hockey Beat

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Hipper

 

[JrFischer54]

For what it's worth also, the Devils have not shown that they're worth an offseason trade with trading a pick that high yet. 22-23 is obviously the high point with this core currently but they need to string 2-3 more seasons where I feel comfortable with them trading firsts a year out unless it's an out of this world player



Ullmark has his hips dangling with duct tape at 30. I'm good off of him for the 10th. Saros scares me because it could be very Trouba esque where you get a guy who's been great elsewhere pre big contract and it blows up in their face. Markstrom is the perfect guy to get because if he sucks which is possible with his ups and downs then it doesn't blow this core's chances of a Cup and move on and try to find someone else. You miss on Saros and he sucks on that deal, your window is closed before it opened.

I agree I don’t want either of them. I’m completely fine with markstrom if it costs the 10 I won’t like it but I get that’s the going rate for goaltending. Guess they can resign Kari and hope for the best but if goaltending sinks them again this year heads will roll

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Does Ullmark have bad hips? I haven’t heard of that before, other than reading some posts about it.

I saw something Weekes said about him playing through a debilitating injury last year during the playoffs, but never saw anything more about what it was.

He looked like late career Scott Clemmensen in that Florida series late, it was 100% something to do with his hips. Guy couldn't move at all.

I agree I don’t want either of them. I’m completely fine with markstrom if it costs the 10 I won’t like it but I get that’s the going rate for goaltending. Guess they can resign Kari and hope for the best but if goaltending sinks them again this year heads will roll

I think I'm ok with the goalie move depending on the other stuff on the roster too. Say we go to St Louis and do a Buchnevich + Binnington (ew) trade? I'd be all for that for the 10th to be dangled in but there's things like the Calgary rumors that are completely god awful.

 

[devilsblood]

For what it's worth also, the Devils have not shown that they're worth an offseason trade with trading a pick that high yet. 22-23 is obviously the high point with this core currently but they need to string 2-3 more seasons where I feel comfortable with them trading firsts a year out unless it's an out of this world player

I feel the opposite, we are a better team then the 10th OA. A lot went wrong in order for us to be drafting this high.

If we feel we are close, using that pick to improve the team in the near term makes sense.

Conversely if someone wants to say, that merely by getting healthy, and adding a quality goalie using chips other then the 10OA, we will be back in the playoff mix, I can agree with that too.

But I don't like the idea of going into next season with anything other then a playoffs of bust mentality.

 

[britdevil]

My level of concern for Nico leaving is zero. He will be a lifer. And if he did leave, I’d rather have Konsta Helenius than 40 year old Markstrom.

I highly doubt they sign Markstrom past his current contract.

Also, you have no idea about Hischier staying beyond this current contract. Nico might want to play hockey in Utah for all we know.

 

[devilsblood]

I agree I don’t want either of them. I’m completely fine with markstrom if it costs the 10 I won’t like it but I get that’s the going rate for goaltending. Guess they can resign Kari and hope for the best but if goaltending sinks them again this year heads will roll

10OA is too much for Markstrom. I'd much rather just sign Kahkonen.

Thats why I included Coleman and the 20 something pick coming back. That seems somewhat reasonable.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Nico will be a lifer. He reminds me so much of Elias personality wise.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I highly doubt they sign Markstrom past his current contract.

Also, you have no idea about Hischier staying beyond this current contract. Nico might want to play hockey in Utah for all we know.

He does give Elias vibes (ignore the fact Patty was like .5 seconds away from being a Rag lol) but you're right 100%. After the past decade of the stars of this franchise leaving, we can't automatically assume all these core guys want to stay. Gotta give them a reason to career wise.