Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Meier (50% retained) and four others from the Sharks for 2023 1st, conditional 2024 1st, Mukhamadullin, Okhotiuk, Zetterlund & Johnsson

[glenwo2]

Bratt is certainly better than Panarin and Ovechkin right now.

Panarin, I agree.

But Ovy? I don't know, man.

Maybe I'm just putting too much stock on his (Ovy) goal-scoring and not enough on his all-around game which has been lacking lately.

 

[Dylan9z9]

Game Stop is an odd example to choose if you're trying to denounce analytics. Serious analysts using data and statistics thought it was insanity that retail investors were bidding up a worthless meme stock. Turns out they were right. But here we are.

Exactly my point analyst's using data and statistics thought it was a dead stock doesn't matter why or how many hedge funds lost millions betting on that data and those statistics
Just that they did.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

 

[Blackjack]

Exactly my point analyst's using data and statistics thought it was a dead stock doesn't matter why or how many hedge funds lost millions betting on that data and those statistics
Just that they did.

The analysts were not wrong about the stock as far as its intrinsic value is concerned. It’s hard to explain what happened to the stock if you don’t understand short interest and how stock markets work, but basically some traders figured out that the stock price could be manipulated in the short term for profit.

That really has nothing to do with GameStop itself or analysts that were only making financial projections.

Ah yes, the well known rule that you can’t trade injured players.

…unless you’re circumventing the salary cap. Then it’s fine.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Panarin, I agree.

But Ovy? I don't know, man.

Maybe I'm just putting too much stock on his (Ovy) goal-scoring and not enough on his all-around game which has been lacking lately.

Ovechkin standing still in the far circle ripping one timers for the full 2 minutes of a powerplay doesn’t make him better than Bratt.

 

[Saugus]

Interesting detail, but I'm assuming he's basically contract filler like the other guys the Sharks did end up sending, so it makes no difference to us that he wasn't included.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I present to you the Swiss Squad.

Corrected to make the drum set have the Devil logo on it lol.

 

[Blackjack]

Panarin, I agree.

But Ovy? I don't know, man.

Maybe I'm just putting too much stock on his (Ovy) goal-scoring and not enough on his all-around game which has been lacking lately.

Ovy is still a very, very good player. According to the Athletic GSVA figures CJ referenced he’s at 2.6. If he was even average defensively he would be at Bratt’s level or above.

 

[glenwo2]

WHO?

 

[Brooklyndevil]

I agree we don’t know, but Mercer does play a game which suggests he will improve as he gets his man strength.

And he does strike me as a guy who has room to get stronger. Still seems kid like.

If we would have lost Mercer in this trade, we would have created a hole. I’m not saying he’s Meier, but we drafted him, he can play first line to 3rd line, he can play center if need be, he’s on the pp and pk and although he’s not big, he plays bigger than he is and has room to grow at 21.

 

[glenwo2]

Timo looks like a Psychopath.

 

[Devils731]

 

[Better Call Sal]

I mean, I hope he's right!

 

[Hisch13r]

He's so young he's harder to project and I don't know if I can even say that. I know the advanced stats or whatever don't look incredible but here's nhl counting stats and you can sort by age for just a 10000 foot view of where he is compared to his peers in the NHL:

NHL Scoring Leaders 2024-2025

NHL scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 2024-2025 season. Player stats, nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2024-2025 NHL season.

www.quanthockey.com

Given his versatility too I just can't fathom trading him at all. Maybe he tops out as a Sharangovich type depth winger but you have to see his career through before moving him.

When you've got a player as young as Mercer I think you look for either the underlyings or the production. It's rare that they have both. The fact he's producing so well so young is real promising and you look at the way he plays the game and it's just a matter of time until the underlyings catch up

 

[StevenToddIves]

When Erik Brannstrom was moved he was a massive prospect. Probably more value than Mercer. When the trade went down, Brannstrom was the #19 prospect in hockey right next to Jordan Kyrou and ahead of guys like Boldy, Cozens, Ty Smith, Bouchard, Adam Boqvist, Adam Fox, and K'Andre Miller, just to name a few.

Brannstrom absolutely had nowhere close to the value that Mercer has right now. That's just not accurate. The fact that someone's list overestimated him and underestimated other guys does nothing to change that. There are people in the media who love a defensively challenged Swedish defender who puts up some numbers, but NHL front offices tend to place premium value on players like Mercer -- high-compete, high-IQ, versatile, two-way forwards with 30+ goal and PPG upside.

 

[Devil made me do it]

Shakir was the best prospect and Luke and Nemec in the moment. But I can`t say he will be better than both. I think Nemec ceiling as defensive defenseman is better and Luke has better ceiling as offensive defenseman. And I don`t think that Nemc will be worser than Shakir as offensive defenseman.

But the truth is we lost potential top-4 defenseman. But it is a price you pay for top-line player. No one in the world made more for popularisation of Shakir`s potential and his game than me. Some "scouts" with 3 classes of school education told us that he isn`t deserve to spend a pick for him. And I don`t like them for that. Now Shakir Mukhamadullin is THE MAIN PIECE in the trade of Timmo Meier. This is how wrong they were. And it`s really sad to lose him for me. I saw hundred of his games. But it is a price.

I can`t say Shakir is legit top pair defenseman because of his mobility. He is better than Hamilton or Graves but you should understand what I`m talking about, many big deefnsemen aren`t very good and fast when they need to make first step and turn around. And Shakir isn`t as good as Hamilton as QB. I think he has pontetial to be legit 2 pair defenseman like Severson. May be little better as transitional defenseman. But again - I would trade young Severson or adult Severson for Meier in any day of the week.

Luke and Simon have legit potential to be first pair defensemen, because Nemec is very mobile on the shorter distance, and Luke has huge potential as transitional and scoring defenseman.

A lot of ifs here.
If Mukh is as good as you say he is, he should already be part of the roster, replacing guys like Smith and Bahl.
Three years after he was drafted and still can't crack the starting roster?
Devils loaned him back to the KHL and settled for Kevin Bahl instead.
That's your future Top 4 defenseman?
Sounds more like homerism of russian players to me.

 

[MauDevils]

I mean, I hope he's right!

Timo can hit 60 after the extension is signed. Until then keep him away from Jack.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Panarin, I agree.

But Ovy? I don't know, man.

Maybe I'm just putting too much stock on his (Ovy) goal-scoring and not enough on his all-around game which has been lacking lately.

I mean it's fair to take guys who you've seen been this great for almost a decade and a half but Bratt is the better player right now between the two.

Quinn's gonna have a shit eating grin seeing Timo body bag the Rags in round 1.

 

[Hisch13r]

Listening to Fitz on the Marek show he started talking about how you make deals and have to try and match values for what you think and what the other team thinks a player is worth. He brought up how you could think a prospect is great but the other team doesn't agree and he chuckled while saying it. That just screamed Holtz to me lol

 

[Clam Jensen]

Ovy is still a very, very good player. According to the Athletic GSVA figures CJ referenced he’s at 2.6. If he was even average defensively he would be at Bratt’s level or above.

True, but he isn’t so he’s not. If my aunt had you know what’s, she’d be my uncle.

 

[Saugus]

45-50 might be possible, but 60 seems like a stretch, if not a massive exaggeration. Historically we are not a franchise that has super high scoring forwards like that. There's a reason we're hoping Jack breaks 50 G and 100 P, it's because only a guy at that level could do that here.

 

[njdevils1982]

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I present to you the Swiss Squad.

Corrected to make the drum set have the Devil logo on it lol.

 

[Hisch13r]

45-50 might be possible, but 60 seems like a stretch, if not a massive exaggeration. Historically we are not a franchise that has super high scoring forwards like that. There's a reason we're hoping Jack breaks 50 G and 100 P, it's because only a guy at that level could do that here.

It's crazy but don't think it's "that" crazy. If he manages to keep up his shot volume it's just a matter of having a lucky year efficiency wise. He's on pace for 324 shots over 82 games. 60 goals would be 18.5%. Now for a career 10.4% shooter that's a big jump. It's extremely unlikely but not out of the realm of possibility

 

[Guadana]

A lot of ifs here.
If Mukh is as good as you say he is, he should already be part of the roster, replacing guys like Smith and Bahl.
Three years after he was drafted and still can't crack the starting roster?
Devils loaned him back to the KHL and settled for Kevin Bahl instead.
That's your future Top 4 defenseman?
Sounds more like homerism of russian players to me.

Bravo! great arguments. You are right. I agree with you. I will take you eristic classes.

 

[Alaskanice]

I’m a Sharks fan who dabbled in your forum regarding Timo and who I hoped to get.
I want to congratulate you on getting Timo. I hated to see him go but this was the team I wanted him to go to so in that respect, I’m happy.
Much will be said about how we were fleeced but I like these kids. Muk was one I wanted and I’m looking forward to watch him grow. Same with Okhotiuk, he’ll help against our rivals. I warmed up to Zetterlund and am glad to have him in teal.
Take good care of Timo. Best of luck in the playoffs.