Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Meier (50% retained) and four others from the Sharks for 2023 1st, conditional 2024 1st, Mukhamadullin, Okhotiuk, Zetterlund & Johnsson

[My3Sons]

its hard enough to get people to post their teams to begin with nevermind remember the high numbers.

I think they were already The Who by then?

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

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This high level card doesn’t look mediocre. Once you combine the actual results with age and contract, you come out with someone who has very high value.

By the way, where can you find the updated player cards on The Athletic (I have a subscription).

EDIT: I found them. Just had to find the January article and it was updated today.


Some notes on those player cards' defensive ratings. Last month, they had Bratt and Tatar at like +10 and Hischier at +3. Now they have Bratt at +3 and Hischier at +9 (while Tatar is at +20 !!!). I can't comment on how the formula works as I don't understand it, just some interesting variation. Miles Wood is still rated as terrible though.

 

[Devils731]

By the way, where can you find the updated player cards on The Athletic (I have a subscription).

I think this is a static link

NHL Player Cards: New Jersey Devils

Data visualizations for each relevant player on the New Jersey Devils, stylized as hockey cards.

theathletic.com

But I usually just get reminded when Dom updates the cards and tweets out links to every team.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Look at Mercer vs. Meier at the same age.

I have, it isn’t even close. There were multiple posts about this.

 

[JimEIV]

Yup

I remember arguing back in 2017 and maybe even in 2018 in defense of Zacha that he had been better than Meier so far at that point. What a difference 5-6 years makes.

Timo really broke out in 18-19 at age 22 and also received a big bump in ice time starting that year.

I hear what you are saying...but Mercer's last half dozen games have shown something you never saw from a guy like Zacha.

8 goals in 6 games 10 points.... Sure it could be just an incredible hot streak...but this is a sophomore season and that is really encouraging to me

But I'm biased.... I'm so biased that when I type "Daw" on my phone, it auto-completes Dawson Mercer. Not even a joke

 

[Classic Devil]

I have, it isn’t even close. There were multiple posts about this.

I mean, Meier's age 21 season is more impressive than Mercer's, but their age 20 seasons were pretty close and Meier had a larger role on his team. They're not that far off.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I mean, Meier's age 21 season is more impressive than Mercer's, but their age 20 seasons were pretty close and Meier had a larger role on his team. They're not that far off.

Again, I don't think analytics tell the whole story with Mercer, but he's definitely overrated here because he's a fan favorite and very likable guy. And he's on a super heater right now.

Valuable piece? Absolutely. Will he ever be Timo Meier? Very unlikely.

 

[Guttersniped]

And his analytics are medicore at best. [Incoming STI rant about chart boys].

I'm not trying to rip the player, I'm as big of a Mercer fan as anyone else. But to act like it would be absurd and unprecedented to trade him for a player like Timo Meier is a little disingenuous.

If there aren’t similar past trades then it is in fact unprecedented.

 

[Unknown Caller]

If there aren’t similar past trades then it is in fact unprecedented.

I already named three, there are probably more but I have a day job so that's just off the top of my head.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

You obviously don't realize the Brannstrom hype in hindsight and how highly regarded he was when he was moved. People were legitimately comparing him to Erik Karlsson. We also tend to overvalue Mercer because we're attached to him. I love the player, but you have to be realistic. Some treat him like he's just a cut below Jack and Bratt.

My point is moving a guy like Mercer for a player of Meier's caliber isn't that outrageous. He just happens to be a fan favorite and on an absolute heater right now. Being cost controlled for the time being helps as well.

I think we tried to come up with when a Mercer/Meier type swap happened before and failed to come up with a comparable trade. Closest we could think of was Zibanejad for Brassard which looks horrendous in hindsight. Brassard was 51st in points in the league the season he was traded and a 28 year old center. Meier is 58th in points in the league this season and a 26 year old winger.

Meier is so exciting because he was the perfect fit for what this team needs to go the next level, but as someone said, he's not Ilya Kovalchuk. I think trading Mercer for Meier would have been a disastrous mistake, but maybe we'd all talk ourselves into it for a year or two.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I think we tried to come up with when a Mercer/Meier type swap happened before and failed to come up with a comparable trade. Closest we could think of was Zibanejad for Brassard which looks horrendous in hindsight. Brassard was 51st in points in the league the season he was traded and a 28 year old center. Meier is 58th in points in the league this season and a 26 year old winger.

Meier is so exciting because he was the perfect fit for what this team needs to go the next level, but as someone said, he's not Ilya Kovalchuk. I think trading Mercer for Meier would have been a disastrous mistake, but maybe we'd all talk ourselves into it for a year or two.

The only reason we would regret Mercer for Meier is that Mercer is much younger, so he's going to be in his prime for a much longer period of time. After Meier ages out, Mercer will still likely be a very effective player for a few years which would have hurt.

But if we're talking about overall impact and prime for prime, Mercer will never be Meier good.

 

[Guttersniped]

Again, I don't think analytics tell the whole story with Mercer, but he's definitely overrated here because he's a fan favorite and very likable guy. And he's on a super heater right now.

Valuable piece? Absolutely. Will he ever be Timo Meier? Very unlikely.

Are we trading for a 22 year old Timo Meier?

You compare it to the returns in TDL deals like this.

In the hard cap era a player like Mercer still on his ELC doesn’t get traded in those deals. Ever.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The only reason we would regret Mercer for Meier is that Mercer is much younger, so he's going to be in his prime for a much longer period of time. After Meier ages out, Mercer will still likely be a very effective player for a few years which would have hurt.

But if we're talking about overall impact and prime for prime, Mercer will never be Meier good.

I don't think we can say this definitively. Mercer just turned 21. I don't think that means he's a lock to grow astronomically as maybe he matured his game earlier than most but it really can't be totally out of the question as a possible outcome.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Are we trading for a 22 year old Timo Meier?

You compare it to the returns in TDL deals like this.

In the hard cap era a player like Mercer still on his ELC doesn’t get traded in those deals. Ever.

This is and isn't a deadline deal. Meier is an RFA and the Devils are confident they have a good chance to sign him, so it's not the same as trading for a slightly older pending UFA with no extension.

 

[Saugus]

I really hope Meier is able to play on Wednesday and thereafter, because if he is out for much longer than that before debuting, our collective anticipation will be off the charts.

 

[Nico13]

TIMOOOOOOOO

What is the condition of the 24 1st?

 

[glenwo2]

There was a time-skip at 7:06(?) of the vid after he said "That is between me and Fitzy"

Did someone ask a dumb question?

 

[Unknown Caller]

I don't think we can say this definitively. Mercer just turned 21. I don't think that means he's a lock to grow astronomically as maybe he matured his game earlier than most but it really can't be totally out of the question as a possible outcome.

I mean this is true, we never know anything for a fact, but the odds are very low that Mercer will be as good as Meier is now.

 

[devilsblood]

I find it interesting that the year the Devils traded away Zacha, they trade for the player Zacha could be...Timo was drafted three spots later. This is the same 2015 draft where Boston got 3 players in a row (Zboril, Debrusk, Seynyshn).

Timo debuts in Colorado. They've scored 19 goals in their last four games.

And not exactly the same skillset but similar player in terms of size skating and shot. There is some element of Timo being who we hoped zacha could be.

 

[OmNomNom]

 

[Saugus]

TIMOOOOOOOO

What is the condition of the 24 1st?

It starts as a second, and only becomes a first if we make the Conference Final either this year or next with Meier playing in over half the games.

If the condition is converted we probably won't care that we gave it up.

 

[Cheddabombs]

The only reason we would regret Mercer for Meier is that Mercer is much younger, so he's going to be in his prime for a much longer period of time. After Meier ages out, Mercer will still likely be a very effective player for a few years which would have hurt.

But if we're talking about overall impact and prime for prime, Mercer will never be Meier good.

It'd also be rough from a cap point of view. Sure Mercer's ELC is done after next season but unless he keeps up this torrid pace until then I'm sure we can sign him to a cost-efficient deal.

Either way, not our concern anymore. Managed to keep our roster and top prospects in tact for the most part while adding Meier.

 

[OmNomNom]

There was a time-skip at 7:06(?) of the vid after he said "That is between me and Fitzy"

Did someone ask a dumb question?

haha amanda asked what the chats about meier were like w him and fitz

 

[Unknown Caller]

Devils legend Scott Harrington.

 

[Saugus]

Devils legend Scott Harrington.

Life comes at you fast.

Probably just a roster move to be able to send him to Utica.