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I couldn't be less worried about Timo signing.
It's a complete given in my mind
It's a complete given in my mind
Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Meier (50% retained) and four others from the Sharks for 2023 1st, conditional 2024 1st, Mukhamadullin, Okhotiuk, Zetterlund & Johnsson
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Pretty much yeah, for reasons mentioned loads of time here already. Not worried at all.
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The only scenario I can see him totally hard lining is they go deep in the playoffs and he's the leading scorer by a big margin. Then he holds all the cards for pushing someone out to make room for his team highest salary but I think that's not likely. I think he'll be right in the mix in the top 3 scoring wise and be a cross between Guerin/Pepe/Arnott where he has very skilled finesse shooters and playmakers with him and he's the shoot first guy that can also truck a hit or bounce off a defender to finish the play. I can't wait to see where he slots and how he plays off of both Jack and Nico as I'm sure Lindy will give him a look with both guys to see how his game meshes with theirs.
Devilsgrl35
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I don't think Fitz does this trade without Meier's camp saying he's willing to sign here long term. Maybe even general terms were thrown out there. Fitz said today he spoke to Lemieux before the trade was made.
I'm really not that worried about either Timo or Bratt re-signing because I think we've got a good thing going here and they can see that. Where else are they going to likely be on a contender for the next 6-7 years with a superstar like Jack? Unless it's all about the money I don't really see a better place for them. Obviously nothing is guaranteed and we've seen players go to weird places before, but I think they both stay long term.
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swissexpert
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The Ducks must be relieved that he's out of the division
edit: looked it up, it was really not easy for them the last 2 years...
| Timo Meier | 2/22/2022 | SJS | @ | ANA | 0 | 2 | 2 | +1 | |
| Timo Meier | 3/6/2022 | SJS | @ | ANA | 0 | 1 | 1 | -1 | |
| Timo Meier | 3/26/2022 | SJS | vs | ANA | 3 | 0 | 3 | +2 | |
| Timo Meier | 4/26/2022 | SJS | vs | ANA | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | |
| Timo Meier | 11/1/2022 | SJS | vs | ANA | 2 | 0 | 2 | +3 | |
| Timo Meier | 11/5/2022 | SJS | vs | ANA | 1 | 2 | 3 | +2 | |
| Timo Meier | 12/9/2022 | SJS | @ | ANA | 1 | 1 | 2 | +2 | |
| Timo Meier | 1/6/2023 | SJS | @ | ANA | 2 | 0 | 2 | +1 | |
| Total | 8 GP | 9 | 6 | 15 | +8 |
ZachaFlockaFlame
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The Ducks must be relieved that he's out of the division
edit: looked it up, it was really not easy for them the last 2 years...
Timo Meier 2/22/2022 SJS @ ANA 0 2 2 +1 Timo Meier 3/6/2022 SJS @ ANA 0 1 1 -1 Timo Meier 3/26/2022 SJS vs ANA 3 0 3 +2 Timo Meier 4/26/2022 SJS vs ANA 0 0 0 -2 Timo Meier 11/1/2022 SJS vs ANA 2 0 2 +3 Timo Meier 11/5/2022 SJS vs ANA 1 2 3 +2 Timo Meier 12/9/2022 SJS @ ANA 1 1 2 +2 Timo Meier 1/6/2023 SJS @ ANA 2 0 2 +1 Total 8 GP 9 6 15 +8
Pretty sure, he destroyed Vegas equally as hard. Their fanbase said that when Vegas was one of the teams mentioned looking to get him.
I agree, Meier just came from SJ where he went through a few years and landed on one of the teams with the brightest futures in the league. If anything, I'm sure him and Bratt could even take less seeing that. Have to take care Bratt first though as a homegrown player though.
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Clam Jensen
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Agreed. I don’t see fitz giving up the amount of assets he did if his plan was not to keep timo for at least 4-5 year deal
ninetyeight
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Considering the return was the equivalent of 3-4 1st round picks, I don't see how Holtz wasn't available.
But who we would have prefered is probably a split as it's a bit complicated. They are both from the same draft, Holtz #7OA and Mukhamadullin #20OA, and you could argue that Holtz's value has dropped while Shak's has risen. It's no secret that Holtz has struggled in the NHL and his skating and decision making has been criticized. There are a lot of Devs fans who fear he'll just doesn't have the tools to succeed in the NHL and want to trade him before his value plummets (see hfboard trade proposals section). But at the same time Shak hasn't even played in the NHL so it's a bit unfair.
Position is also important, the Devils had a ton of LD depth:
Siegenthaler
Graves (Possibly not long term)
Smith (Possibly not long term)
Bahl
Okhotyuk (SJ)
Mukhamadullin (SJ)
Hughes
Walsh
..
So whether SJ prefered Shak or not, it also makes more sense for NJ to trade some of that LD depth, we just need Holtz not to bust.
Clam Jensen
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Keeping Holtz while adding Timo also gives Holtz more time to marinate and refine his game.
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Exactly. I was wondering though, where did Fitz say that he spoke to Lemieux? I’d like to watch/read that.
I don't think it really makes much of a difference. Even without Meier they clearly weren't going to get him real NHL time this year and especially not down the stretch and into the playoffs. So we're looking at next year. If he's back in the AHL much refining is he really going to do there?
If anything I think having Meier helps Holtz because it gives you another star so next year you can afford to forcefeed Holtz top 6 minutes because you shouldn't really have issues being a good team even if Holtz struggles for a bit before finding his footing. I think you'll find the most growth out of Holtz by putting him in a top 6 role.
He needs to learn the NHL game and he needs to learn his NHL game. That's not going to be an easy thing to do playing in the AHL or with bad NHL usage where he's thrown into a checking role, given minimal minutes, and tossed in and out of the lineup. Next year you need to give him adequate rope let him sink or swim.
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Tatar-Hischier-Mercer have been a force this year and if it carries over to next year, you can easily ride that as a second line. Meier-Hughes-Holtz as your first line, Sharangovich moved (depending on the return), and you arguably have a chance of one the most disgusting top 6's in the NHL for a while. Also we need Brunette to be the HC next year, Lindy won't play Holtz in the top 6 if I had to make an educated guess.
I think Yegor for me is more price dependent than return dependent. If we just simply can't squeeze him in then I move on for even a minimal return. He's very low on my priority list. Tatar is at the top and then there's Haula/3C/Graves/D all of equal importance. After that is Yegor. I don't think you can fit him in.
There's definitely a ton of ways to run the top 9. Holtz with Jack to me would be an absolute must and a directive needs to come down from Fitz if Lindy won't do it himself. We shouldn't have issues at minimum staying afloat and figuring out Holtz is important.
Better Call Sal
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Yeah, that's just not going to happen. I mean, Holtz with Hughes might happen, but the idea that Holtz is going to be stapled to Hughes, that's just not happening based on what's gone on here the last few months, even if the coach changes - it's clear the organization isn't interested in doing things like that.
MachoDiablo
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While I dig the positive reviews for the Devils, some of what the people criticizing the Sharks' return are doing is a common trope in sports: "You should've gotten at least one of that team's top 3 prospects!" or whatever, utterly stripping away any context of how one team's farm system matches up with others.
Like, I get it if Sharks fans are upset that Nemec/Hughes/Mercer/whomever wasn't part of the deal, and I'm sure Grier asked about their availability. But, for one, it's not like there was a ton of suitors out there for Timo given a lot of contenders' cap situations, so getting the perfect deal probably wasn't in the cards simply due to the market for Timo's services.
More importantly, though, the Devils have a super-deep system, and thus "oh, you didn't get Hughes or Nemec, you only got Mukhamadullin" ignores that Shakir would likely be almost every team's top defensive prospect if he got dealt nearly anywhere in the league, the Devils just so happen to have two higher profile defensive prospects ahead of him in the system.
Like, actually analyze what the team got, not what they might've gotten in some imaginary "the Sharks can set any price they want" market for Timo or what they got relative to the rest of the Devils' system, unless you're comparing prospects that you think are on a relatively even level with one another and you simply disagree with which one Grier opted to trade for/Fitz opted to deal.
Lou is God
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If this was us 10 years ago where Muk, Zutterlund and Okhotiuk would have been all Top 5 in our prospects pool, the narrative is the Sharks fleeced the Devils of their top prospects, but because they're not out top prospects they're looked down upon.
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Oh man, we’ve needed these types of goals for some time. To think we’ll get these from Timo for years. Good stuff!
MachoDiablo
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Right. And I get that it's also a different context from the Devils' perspective; if we had a weak prospect pool or weren't already one of the youngest teams in the league, then yeah, a deal like this for some of those pieces feels a hell of a lot different, and likely not quite so positive! But it doesn't change the talent levels of the prospects involved, and all three guys have good chances of being full time NHL'ers, with Muk possibly having top pairing upside.
And hell, even the whole "the first rounders they might get are gonna be down in the 20s!" thing ignores how the Sharks could use those picks and, I dunno, package them for something else? Use them to trade up or down in the draft? Turn them into other players who might help their rebuild ala how we got Siegs? Devils were very justified in making the deal, but man, in a league where draft picks can be traded it's weird how many analysts just look at deals like this in a vacuum.
Trying to think the last time we had a power forward with skill and speed like this capable of a point per game. It’s been a while.
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arnott is my favorite devil of all time and there are a lot of similarities there.
