Devils 2021 training camp thread (news, notes and speculation)

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I see they added the black nj logo to the pants :skeptic:

Well at least they didn't change the pant, helmet, and glove colors like the Avs did last year or the name and number colors like the Avs did this year. In a few years the Avs will just be a sea of blue after they change everything on their uniforms
 

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Well at least they didn't change the pant, helmet, and glove colors like the Avs did last year or the name and number colors like the Avs did this year. In a few years the Avs will just be a sea of blue after they change everything on their uniforms

a slow evolve back to the nords look!

benjamin button style :laugh:
 

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He liked a tweet hinting at falsifying vaccination status. It has to be him.
Lol, he liked a Tweet celebrating my favorite imaginary bad ass stance.

You can’t take Christmas away from me America!

I’m pretty sold it’s the PTO. There’s identifiable commentators he liked with that position and the people pointing to Blackwood being at the media event are right. You can’t demand vaccines for the press at the event but a player gets a free pass somehow. I assume the rules apply to him too. (And the press would ask about him being there later if it came out it was him, I know I would.)
 
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Boqvist better not lose then. Even just saying he wants him to be comfortable at both positions is a turnoff. Sure you'd love for every player to be able to play both center and wing but the majority of guys can't. Zacha falls into that majority
I disagree here because he’s are back-up top six center. If Jack or Nico get hurt, he fills in. We don’t anyone else with the offense for that. They tried other solutions when Nico was out, but not much worked there.

The idea of Zacha as a 3C is very terrible because he’s scoring forward with slightly questionable hockey sense and poor 5v5 defense. He showed a lot more promise when he focused on the scoring part of scoring forward, and that’s on wing.

But I get Ruff wanting goals from the top six. Also Zacha did tie McLeod with his 51.5% face-off percentage. Ruff is also saying that lines are more fluid in the NHL than people think, which is true.

I didn’t see the comment, so I’m glad it’s more nuanced. I’ve done battle against concept of “Zacha as 3C” for what seems like eternity because it’s so obviously terrible, so like goaltending, it’s very triggering for me.

And no, do not say there such thing as a 3C or it should be three scoring lines or some horseshit like that, all better playoff teams have real third lines, you shut down line (that can score ideally). And Zacha is anthesis of a legit 3C. He’s bad substitute scoring center.
 
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I disagree here because he’s are back-up top six center. If Jack or Nico get hurt, he fills in. We don’t anyone else with the offense for that. They tried other solutions when Nico was out, but not much worked there.

The idea of Zacha as a 3C is very terrible because he’s scoring forward with slightly questionable hockey sense and poor 5v5 defense. He showed a lot more promise when he focused on the scoring part of scoring forward, and that’s on wing.

But I get Ruff wanting goals from the top six. Also Zacha did tie McLeod with his 51.5% face-off percentage. Ruff is also saying that lines are more fluid in the NHL than people think, which is true.

I didn’t see the comment, so I’m glad it’s more nuanced. I’ve done battle against concept of “Zacha as 3C” for what seems like eternity because it’s so obviously terrible, so like goaltending, it’s very triggering for me.

And no, do not say there such thing as a 3C or it should be three scoring lines or some horseshit like that, all better playoff teams have real third lines, you shut down line (that can score ideally). And Zacha is anthesis of a legit 3C. He’s bad substitute scoring center.

Yes Zacha is our backup center. That doesn’t mean he should be. I’d try other guys out in the middle before going back to something we’ve tried again and again and again and again that has failed. It’s not like he’s a bad 3C fill in because of the role but fine as a top 6 fill in. He’s sucked as a top 6C as well because he simply is an awful center.

Also the idea that 3rd line has to be some shut down line is bullshit. Pens won with HBK as the 3rd line and in no world is Kessel on a “shut down line”. The Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman shutdown line was TB’s 2nd line. There’s no one way to build a team
 

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I really don't see why he wouldn't fit with Jack.
I think Tatar did awesome with Danault and Gallagher and Nico is more comparable to those two . I’m guessing that’s why people are going with Tatar fitting better with Nico than Hughes. I’m not sure what to think though. I don’t care who plays with Hughes as long as he has someone who can finish good enough.
Zacha at C screws up a lot of what I was thinking what the lines would be.
 

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I think Tatar did awesome with Danault and Gallagher and Nico is more comparable to those two . I’m guessing that’s why people are going with Tatar fitting better with Nico than Hughes. I’m not sure what to think though. I don’t care who plays with Hughes as long as he has someone who can finish good enough.
Zacha at C screws up a lot of what I was thinking what the lines would be.

Which still doesn’t make sense to me. Nico’s defensive game is not comparable to those guys yet and is continually overrated by Devils fans. Jack last year was far better defensively than Nico’s ever been. He’s a good fit with either player because he’s a great player with great offensive and defensive impacts who produces at a very highly efficient level and both Jack and Nico are skilled players
 

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I'm very excited to see how Mercer does and I hope we get another Yegor surprise like last year.
Same . But I think I might have too high of expectations for Mercer as I see Mercer being more impactful than Shara. As in if Mercer played all 82 he would put up 25g 25awhile playing PP and PK.I’m not sayig Mercer will play all 82 , just if he has a full season I could see him doing very well and putting up very I,oressive numbers for his first season.
However , I think realistically Mercer will still be sent down regardless how well he does in camp.
Maybe I’m wrong , but I just don’t see him in the NHL right away based off of comments made by Fitz.
Mercer may technically play good enough in camp to warrant sticking in the NHL but they still want to have him go through a process to make him even more hungry to make the NHL and be a difference maker, not just tread water and be “ok”
 
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Same . But I think I might have too high of expectations for Mercer as I see Mercer being more impactful than Shara. As in if Mercer played all 82 he would put up 25g 25a ….

Yeah I think that’s very high for a rookie Mercer. I don’t think his ceiling is much higher than that let alone as a 20 year old in his first NHL season
 

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You totally missed the point. To give you an idea, TBL has 4 players currently at over 9% of cap. The Devils have Dougie over and Nico at 8.9%. Basically you would have to hope none of the other Devils players become stars that can command a cap hit in the 9% range during this time. i would rather have the players that are here prove to be good enough and get the big contracts so we can start winning as opposed to losing so we can afford Quinn in 5-6 years.

You'd have to have the same fear for every member of the Devils and Comets you all foresee as being key pieces of the future. There will be more than 3 that need paying if and when the Devils become good again.

You have 2 of the Hughes brothers already. Nico is going to be there. What about Blackwood if he turns out the way so many think. What about Shakir? Any others in the D-Corps going to become really good? What about Bratt if he continues to improve at a pace anywhere near what he is on already.

You can't be deciding not to get better players because you have home drafted ones who are not as good. They become ammo in the trades for greater improvement, while future draft picks and the ones already in the wings come into the system as well. Fitz has seen to that already with the Hamilton and Graves acquisitions and look for that kind of thing to be a part of the continuous future. The cap is going to go up again at some point making the number of players who can be compensated for their contributions more possible and the ability to hold onto more guys than they can now. You have to consider the numbers as they are and not to cap yourself out of money, but you can't allow a curtain to be stretched across all possibilities for fear of not having enough cash.

Frugal, intelligent investment is the way to go. If you can pick up what appears to be one of the most prolific scoring D-men in NHL history, you do it if it's possible. You don't worry what that means to the career of Okhotiuk or any other rising D-man in the system. Fact is that Mukhamadullin might do that anyways. Graves and Smith aren't going anywhere soon and if Mukh is as good as it currently appears, there's your top 3 LD for the Devils for quite some time (at the moment). However, Luke is coming into play also. What if Quinn takes a contract that gets him to UFA as soon as possible while continuing to increase his scoring numbers and he expresses serious interest in the Devils as a free agent. Being a GM isn't the breeze so many see it to be. The scenario I have presented is a nightmare that most GMs wish were to happen to them.
 
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Yeah I think that’s very high for a rookie Mercer. I don’t think his ceiling is much higher than that let alone as a 20 year old in his first NHL season
25g 25 a is crazy high after I think about it for a rookie season. However I hope like hell 25g 25a isn’t his ceiling?
That’s pretty damn good but I was thinking of him as a very good top 6 player.Either good first line winger or near elite second line winger / 3C in his prime .
 

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25g 25 a is crazy high after I think about it for a rookie season. However I hope like hell 25g 25a isn’t his ceiling?
That’s pretty damn good but I was thinking of him as a very good top 6 player.Either good first line winger or near elite second line winger / 3C in his prime .

Maybe ceiling as in single season peak he could have something crazy like 70 pts if he's on Jack's wing and Jack pops off for like 100+ but I wouldn't peg that as super likely realistic. I think a realistic prime for him is something like 20-30 goals 20-30 assists on a consistent basis. Closer to the 20-20 if the 3C and 30-30 if he's with Jack
 

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25g 25 a is crazy high after I think about it for a rookie season. However I hope like hell 25g 25a isn’t his ceiling?
That’s pretty damn good but I was thinking of him as a very good top 6 player.Either good first line winger or near elite second line winger / 3C in his prime .
A 25 goal 50 point winger is a 1st liner. That would be a massive W if that’s what Mercer produced.
 

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Damn lol......just left the Hughes thread in the main forum, I think Jack is going to trigger a lot of haters for some time! :laugh:

God bless him!

He always has. Even going back to when he was a prospect. He garnered more hate than basically any other prospect I've seen. It's just going to get worse and worse as he gets better
 

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Which still doesn’t make sense to me. Nico’s defensive game is not comparable to those guys yet and is continually overrated by Devils fans. Jack last year was far better defensively than Nico’s ever been. He’s a good fit with either player because he’s a great player with great offensive and defensive impacts who produces at a very highly efficient level and both Jack and Nico are skilled players

How do support Jack being better than Nico defensively? By specific actions or style of play or by numbers and advanced stats? I think they are very different and it’s more situational than anything. Example - do you want Hughes taking that last big draw in his own zone to protect a one goal lead when the other team has the empty net? Do you want Jack going into the corners to battle for a puck in the defensive zone? In contrast if a player is skating through center ice and has to be caught from behind then Jack is ideal.
 

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That’s more or less Palms production. I hope Mercer can offer a bit more but in context drafting a Palms level player at 18 would be a great pick.

Palms impact in his prime is actually a pretty solid comparable for me if Mercer does stay at wing. From 15-16 to 19-20 he paced at 30 goals and 56 pts while being really good defensively. You always hope for more but to me that'd be a bit unreasonable. The one thing I hope for that I actually think is realistic is that Mercer will be able to do that for longer than Palms did. That was only 5 seasons and he didn't really pop until he was 24 with it looking like he's started to decline at 30 (although he could bounceback). I think you might be able to get more good years out of Mercer
 
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That’s more or less Palms production. I hope Mercer can offer a bit more but in context drafting a Palms level player at 18 would be a great pick.
Mercer looks like he will do a lot more than the counting stats show. I hope it translates to the score sheet too, but you can see he’s gonna be a guy that brings it every night.
 
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How do support Jack being better than Nico defensively? By specific actions or style of play or by numbers and advanced stats? I think they are very different and it’s more situational than anything. Example - do you want Hughes taking that last big draw in his own zone to protect a one goal lead when the other team has the empty net? Do you want Jack going into the corners to battle for a puck in the defensive zone? In contrast if a player is skating through center ice and has to be caught from behind then Jack is ideal.

Jack's numbers last year were pretty damn elite while Nico's only posted numbers that were like average at best. You are right that there's obvious situational differences and Nico is likely the more reliable in zone defender when it comes to things like board play but I think in zone defense is a small piece when it comes to defense as a whole. Defense is just not allowing chances no matter how it's done and Jack was incredible at doing that last year. A lot of that was due to possession but if you have the puck on your stick as much as he does and are as good at transitioning the puck up the ice like he is you're likely not going to have to spend much time in your own end. Not everyone who has the puck a lot though and excels in transition posts good defensive impacts though. Guys like Kane, McDavid, and Draisaitl come to mind. They have the puck a ton and are great at moving the puck but still bleed chances against.

When I'm saying things like "better offensively/defensively" I'm generally talking about 5v5 because that's where most of the game is played. I'm not going to look at things like "who do I want on the ice with a minute left" just like I'm not going to look at penalty kill play. Those are specific situations and some players are just specialists at those things but aren't good when it comes to 5v5 so I'll talk about those situations separately. Zacha is a great example of that. He was one of the best PK guys in the league at one time but also one of the worst 5v5 defensive forwards in the league.
 

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Yes Zacha is our backup center. That doesn’t mean he should be. I’d try other guys out in the middle before going back to something we’ve tried again and again and again and again that has failed. It’s not like he’s a bad 3C fill in because of the role but fine as a top 6 fill in. He’s sucked as a top 6C as well because he simply is an awful center.

Also the idea that 3rd line has to be some shut down line just isn’t true. Pens won with HBK as the 3rd line and in no world is Kessel on a “shut down line”. The Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman shutdown line was TB’s 2nd line.
Bonino was a excellent shutdown center for Pittsburgh and Hagelin was even better player. Hagelin was speedy beast, he was one of their best players complimentary players. And he was plenty shutdowny .

HBK was a first Cup thing, but it was a shutdown line, with those two as Kessel wranglers, with him providing scoring and Hagelin driving play.

Kessel was with Malkin & Kunitz mostly during the 2016-17 Cup run.

They let Bonino walk in 2017, which was probably not bad move because he was fading and he got a big ole deal Nashville.

In November 2018 the Penguins were scuffling, with a 7-6-3 record, and when a 2-4 L to Devils on the 13th, which dropped them to 14th in EC, was too shameful to bear, Rutherford decided to make a “shake-up” trade.

Then Rutherford decided to trade Hagelin, which was not a good idea, and he traded him to the Kings straight up for Tanner Pearson, which turned it into a terrible f***ing idea.

Hagelin doesn’t score a lot, and he had 3 points (1G 2A) in 17 games. Just to be clear, Hagelin was playing well, driving play & with shutdown defense. He was Mike Sullivan’s favorite Swiss Army middle six forward. And Hagelin’s a good locker-room so everybody was really sad about it.

Rutherford, for no particular reason, traded him away for piece of crap. And Pearson had 1 assist in 16 games.

After 44 misbegotten games in Pittsburgh, Rutherford was unhappy with Pearson. He played with Malkin and Kessel and it’s hilariously bad.
He was dumped to the third line and then forth line.

So it’s the TDL and Rutherford feels the need to make it worse, so he trades Pearson to Vancouver for (alleged) defenseman Erik Gudbranson (who had 2 years/4m on his deal left, so his cap hit is bigger than Pearson’s 3.75m.)

He’s 6-5 and fights. And sucks. For 4m. The trade was made on Feb 25th.

This happens in San Jose on Feb 21st


Malkin, Pettersson and Crosby *grasp* all get game misconducts.

This is from the Athletic about the trade:

Two days earlier, Sidney Crosby found himself in a fight with Micheal Haley. Not ideal. According to a Penguins player, Evander Kane looked at the Penguins’ bench following the TV timeout scrum that his nosiness initiated and said, “Who on this team is going to do anything about?”
Lol at calling Crosby randomly punching people a fight with one person.

And this Tweet will tell you how their 3-4 OT to the Flyers in Stadium Series went on Feb 23rd.



Time to get a defenseman with 72 PIM. Benning must have been shocked he found GM make dumber decisions than he typically does.

Gudbranson wasn’t actually the player Rutherford originally tried to trade for at 2019 TDL, Carl Hagelin was. Yep, they tried to reacquire him from the Kings. From an 31 Thoughts:

8. In the days leading up to Carl Hagelin’s trade to Washington, Pittsburgh tried to re-acquire the winger. Before the trade was submitted for Central Registry approval, someone noticed that the Penguins were ineligible to do it. They traded him to Los Angeles on Nov. 28 and retained salary. A team can not bring back any such player for one year after the initial move.
Oopsie!

And of course:

Over the past year-plus, controversial winger Tom Wilson has been the centerpiece of the rivalry between the Pittsburgh Penguins and Washington Capitals.

From an illegal hit that injured Zach Aston-Reese in last year’s playoffs to a right hand that gave Jamie Oleksiak a concussion in a fight early this season, Wilson has been a thorn in the side of the Penguins.

Erik Gudbranson is the latest player tasked with taking care of the Wilson situation, which can mean one of two things.

First, it can mean actually dropping the gloves and fighting Wilson if the situation calls for it.

The 6-foot-5, 217-pound Gudbranson is up to that challenge should it arise. He has 27 career fighting majors in the NHL, including a solid showing against Wilson in an October 2017 scrap. (OMG!)

“I’m OK with it. I’ve always been OK with it,” Gudbranson said. “I don’t particularly like talking about it. I’m certainly not going to say I’m looking for it. Never have. If the situation arises, I’ve never been one to back down. That’s sort of how I put it. I guess I can leave it at that.”

Well, The Tom Wilson Situation, my new band, and that timeless trade inspiration, is shockingly not solved by Gudbradson. They both take matching roughing penalties in the one game vs the Capitals he plays in.

Penguins dumped Gudbradson onto the Ducks on Oct 25, 2019 for an AHL contract and a 2021 7th. The trade seems mystifying for Anaheim, but Josh Manson was out for a month, they were already terrible and Ottawa gave them a 2021 5th for the big ape in Oct 2020, so no harm done.

Gudbradson will be traded one last glorious time on his 3 year/4m deal, for a 4th time, when Nashville picks him up at the 2021 trade deadline for a 2023 7th pick.

Calgary signed Gudbradson for 1 year/1.95m on Sept 10th and everyone pointed and laughed, but Treliving will likely get the last laugh when he gets a 5th or 7th pick for him, depending on how the market is for tall fighter guys who get traded a lot.

Kings flipped Hagelin for a 2019 3rd at the TDL three months after the trade.

Tanner Pearson managed to somehow score 45 points (21G 24A) in 66 games in 2019-20 while being glued to Bo Horvat’s wing (and while still kind of sucking). At age 29, he gets a 3 years/3.25m contract that’s mildly regrettable at best, which are the sorts of contracts Benning excels at.

Needless to say I lost all interest in talking about Kessel but everything about these trades were hilarious to me at the time and it still warms my heart to mock it.


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Why Jim Rutherford traded for Erik Gudbranson and what it means for the blue line

Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman was a third line. *runs away*
 

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While this is far from a scientifically-driven method, I'm going to take a few swings here today and showcase some players and teams that could defy the odds and end up paying massive dividends to your fantasy squad's success this year.

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Jack Hughes Ascends to Greatness Early


Let's begin with a nice softball. We all know New Jersey Devils 2019 first-overall pick Jack Hughes has the goods to one day become a superstar. The 20-year-old made strong strides in his sophomore season, especially when it came to carrying the puck and entering the zone with possession, which is often a strong indicator of future production.

And yet, he still has yet to break the 55-point pace barrier.

Well, that all becomes history in 2021-22.

Hughes and Devils are primed to be one of the most improved clubs in the league. The addition of Dougie Hamilton will accelerate their power-play efficiency in a large way. Pairing Hamilton up with Ty Smith at even-strength means the puck will be moving quickly and effectively to the forwards at five-on-five. The result will be a whole bunch of chances. And Hughes is going to make the most of it

In the end, the third-year centre is fired out of a rocket and ends up cusping the 90-point mark. His accelerated development and low averaged draft position make him the fantasy player of the season and helps more than a few teams hit the championship circuit.
 
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