Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) XI

[Tao Jersey Jones]

So the article comes out saying Shero is probably done, due to fact Hayden would be pushed out of the lineup, and simmons would be down to a 4th liner.

I still think we need 1 of each, goalie, forward, and a defenseman , bingo is completely depleted . (now with lappin, gabriel and pietila gone ).

We could go after some regulars, that could perform better here, or room for to hit that blockbuster (mariner/laine, etc)

What do you guys think? (dont forget about those injuries and whos a two way and not)

For Binghamton this is about right for needs.

G

Cormier/Senn

They may be waiting to see how Lack performs after recovering from his hip surgery. September would be nine months. If they move on from Lack, here's what's left:

UFA G from the AHL:

Jeff Glass - carried San Diego into the AHL playoffs
Mike McKenna - considering retirement
Adam Wilcox - 1 career NHL GP
John Muse - 0 career NHL GP, AHL/ECHL tweener buried under Jarry/Anthony Peters

UFA G from the NHL (all below .900 SV% last season):

Scott Darling
Cam Ward
Michal Neuvirth
Chad Johnson
Al Montoya - 0 NHL GP last season
Michael Leighton- 0 NHL GP last season

Did not play last season:

Kari Lehtonen
Steve Mason

Then all the G who didn't receive QOs like Cam Johnson, Zach Fucale, etc.

D

White-Jacobs (qualified, not signed)
Mermis-Sissons (finished last season in Adirondack)
Groleau-Tennyson
Strait (10 GP before season ending concussion, possible retirement)

Definitely room for another vet D if Gryba does not return in addition to the annual Adirondack loaners.

UFA AHL D:

Ryan Sproul
Chris Wideman
Evan McEneny
Stuart Percy
Griffin Reinhart
Chris Casto
Chris Summers
Matt Taormina
Matt Mangene - still room in Springfield
Julian Melchiori - still room in Springfield, Ryan Murphy's cousin
Jordan Subban

F

Seney-McLeod-Bastian
Street-Sharangovich-Anderson
Maltsev-Speers-Studenic
Gignac-Larsson-Zetterlund
Baddock-Schmelzer-Popugaev

Still room for another vet F/reclamation project if Tangradi does not return in addition to the annual Adirondack loaners:

UFA AHL C:

Daniel Audette
Wade Megan
Anthony Louis
Marko Dano
Trevor Smith
Alex Broadhurst

UFA AHL W:

Erik Condra
Chris Conner
T.J. Hensick
Kalle Kossila
Michael Joly
Kerby Rychel
Colin Markison
Adam Tambellini
Matt Read
Mitch Callahan
Nick Schilkey
David Gust
Colin McDonald
Jonathon Martin
Tyler Gaudet
Steve Bernier
Corey Tropp
Bobby Butler

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

For Binghamton this is about right for needs.

G

Cormier/Senn

They may be waiting to see how Lack performs after recovering from his hip surgery. September would be nine months. If they move on from Lack, here's what's left:

UFA G from the AHL:

Jeff Glass - carried San Diego into the AHL playoffs
Mike McKenna - considering retirement
Adam Wilcox - 1 career NHL GP
John Muse - 0 career NHL GP, AHL/ECHL tweener buried under Jarry/Anthony Peters

UFA G from the NHL (all below .900 SV% last season):

Scott Darling
Cam Ward
Michal Neuvirth
Chad Johnson
Al Montoya - 0 NHL GP last season
Michael Leighton- 0 NHL GP last season

Did not play last season:

Kari Lehtonen
Steve Mason

Then all the G who didn't receive QOs like Cam Johnson, Zach Fucale, etc.

D

White-Jacobs (qualified, not signed)
Mermis-Sissons (finished last season in Adirondack)
Groleau-Tennyson
Strait (10 GP before season ending concussion, possible retirement)

Definitely room for another vet D if Gryba does not return in addition to the annual Adirondack loaners.

UFA AHL D:

Ryan Sproul
Chris Wideman
Evan McEneny
Stuart Percy
Griffin Reinhart
Chris Casto
Chris Summers
Matt Taormina
Matt Mangene - still room in Springfield
Julian Melchiori - still room in Springfield, Ryan Murphy's cousin
Jordan Subban

F

Seney-McLeod-Bastian
Street-Sharangovich-Anderson
Maltsev-Speers-Studenic
Gignac-Larsson-Zetterlund
Baddock-Schmelzer-Popugaev

Still room for another vet F/reclamation project if Tangradi does not return in addition to the annual Adirondack loaners:

UFA AHL C:

Daniel Audette
Wade Megan
Anthony Louis
Marko Dano
Trevor Smith
Alex Broadhurst

UFA AHL W:

Erik Condra
Chris Conner
T.J. Hensick
Kase Kosilla
Michael Joly
Kerby Rychel
Colin Markison
Adam Tambellini
Matt Read
Mitch Callahan
Nick Schilkey
David Gust
Colin McDonald
Jonathan Martin
Tyler Gaudet
Steve Bernier
Corey Tropp
Bobby Butler

this is too much info for Bingo

 

[Bleedred]

Wood is currently the better player of he and Anderson. He’s also 3 years older and has 3 years as a pro. Anderson is a year into his life as a pro.

But what about Brett Seney tho?

 

[Cage Helmet]

But what about Brett Seney tho?

NO

 

[Camille the Eel]

Regarding Hall - Shero’s and Hynes’ statements on NHL.com yesterday about their and Hall’s attitudes (or the day before) have certainly bought the Devils a grace period into the fall with respect to the situation. The messaging was well done I think. If it’s accurate one would still like to see the decisions made by Thanksgiving in my view, because should he want to go to free agency he could tell the club by then and we could still make some moves with the season in front of us.

 

[OmNomNom]

poor seney, he didn't ask for this criticism yeesh

 

[beekay414]

I just really don't even know what to say if you think he's reached his ceiling and is useless.

Where did I say he was useless? I said he was inconsequential and "nothing" in terms of an asset. He's not the type of player you protect. He simply doesn't have the skillset or hockey sense to be anything more than he is currently. I'm failing to see where any progression comes from in his game. Terrible skater, bad hands. What tools are there other than size and straight line speed?

 

[beekay414]

Thinking that Joey Anderson is somehow more valuable than Miles Wood is certainly an odd take. Anderson is a dime a dozen hockey player that doesnt excel at any of his tools. Every team has a guy like him and he should be no where near our top 9 this year.

Joey Anderson on his ELC is certainly more valuable than paying damn near $3 million to a 4th liner.

 

[beekay414]

no ones saying wood is a top line scorer but he has tools and can fill an effective role. no reason he can’t be a 20 goal 3rd line winger which is a valuable thing to have

What tools? Straight line speed and size is all he has.

If we're protecting someone with the ceiling of a "potential" 20 goal scorer 3rd liner, we simply don't have the assets we think we have.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

What tools? Straight line speed and size is all he has.

If we're protecting someone with the ceiling of a "potential" 20 goal scorer 3rd liner, we simply don't have the assets we think we have.

I think there is definitely some truth to this. Ultimately, Wood and Anderson are meh at best. I just think Wood has more to contribute to the team, even if it's just size and speed.

 

[zombie abo]

say you
seney
say it for alwayssss

 

[Nubmer6]

say you
seney
say it for alwayssss

UN-liked

 

[njdevils1982]

say you
seney
say it for alwayssss

hilarious, well done

 

[None Shall Pass]

The amount of underselling Joey Anderson is amazing. I'm not even trying to compare him to Miles Wood. Dude should be prime Ryan Callahan at his peak.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

2019-20 New Jersey Devils

Hall - Hischier - Palmieri
Bratt/X - Hughes - X/Bratt
Boqvist - Zacha - Simmonds
Wood - Zajac - Coleman
Hayden, Rooney

Greene - Subban
Butcher - Severson
Smith - Vatanen
Mueller/Carrick

Schneider
Blackwood

Thats going to be your Devils team this season - lines obviously subject to change, but those are the players that will be on the team. There will be one addition - likely a 2nd line winger.

As for Binghamton, things are a lot more up in the air because there will be additions, but it roughly looks like this:

2019-20 Binghamton Devils

Studenic - Seney - Anderson
Gignac - McLeod - Bastian
Maltsev - Speers - Zetterlund
Sharangovich - Street - Baddock

Mueller/Carrick - Tennyson
Strait - Jacobs
White - Sissons
Groleau

Senn
Cormier

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Street is close to a PPG player in the AHL the past 4-5 years

he won't be the 4C in Bingo

 

[devilsblood]

Man why do I always miss the Wood debates?

I've pointed this out before, but he had more 5v5 primary assists then Nico this season. Also had more sog's. This while playing about 170 less minutes.

He also played a significant amount of minutes this past season on our primary defensive line.

Led the team in sog's and individual corsi per 60. Scored 19 goals in his 2nd season in the league(could be said his first full season).

Yet we have him topping out as a 3rd line 20 goal guy? More likely a 4th liner who brings nothing besides straight line speed?

People vastly under rate him I think in part because of his corsi % through the first 30 games of his career.

I still see plenty of upside with Wood.

 

[devilsblood]

As per Anderson, I can't say I've seen enough to make a judgement. His talent doesn't show itself the way Woods does, but he is more of an intangibles guy, and those intangibles typically take longer to reveal themselves.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Anderson isn't any better. I completely fail to see what everyone sees in him outside of "leadership". His ceiling, IMO, is 4th/3rd line tweener. Like a slight Pietila upgrade.

I hate to be vitriolic, but this post is absurd. The kid turned 21 under a month ago and has 34 career games under his belt. His closest comparison is Ryan Callahan, who had a very good career as a mid-six winger -- and did not even make it as a regular in the Rangers line-up until he was 24 years old.

Writing off Joey Anderson one month into his 21st year on the planet is just baseless. Along with the leadership which you mentioned, the kid has plus tools in skating, shooting, hockey sense, two-way play. Does he have a singular standout tool which could enable him to be a first line scoring star? No -- but you need players like Anderson to win. He's a kid who you can start in a 4th line role at the outset of the season but can shuffle up and down the line-up due to injuries or unexpected events. He's very versatile -- though he's not ready for PP time yet, he could be a fixture on the PK by the end of the season. And there is fair reason to believe that, based on his skill set, Anderson can blossom into a 2PP regular.

Most importantly, when every single scouting report you read about a kid like Anderson glows about his character, it's even more inane to write him off. This kid is going to work his tail off to hit his potential as a 45-50 point, two-way, mid-six winger. There's no team in the NHL which would not covet a player like this.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I hate to be vitriolic, but this post is absurd. The kid turned 21 under a month ago and has 34 career games under his belt. His closest comparison is Ryan Callahan, who had a very good career as a mid-six winger -- and did not even make it as a regular in the Rangers line-up until he was 24 years old.

Writing off Joey Anderson one month into his 21st year on the planet is just baseless. Along with the leadership which you mentioned, the kid has plus tools in skating, shooting, hockey sense, two-way play. Does he have a singular standout tool which could enable him to be a first line scoring star? No -- but you need players like Anderson to win. He's a kid who you can start in a 4th line role at the outset of the season but can shuffle up and down the line-up due to injuries or unexpected events. He's very versatile -- though he's not ready for PP time yet, he could be a fixture on the PK by the end of the season. And there is fair reason to believe that, based on his skill set, Anderson can blossom into a 2PP regular.

Most importantly, when every single scouting report you read about a kid like Anderson glows about his character, it's even more inane to write him off. This kid is going to work his tail off to hit his potential as a 45-50 point, two-way, mid-six winger. There's no team in the NHL which would not covet a player like this.

I always appreciate your well thought out and detailed posts. Really, thanks for taking the time to lay all of that out.

To clarify, I'm not "writing him off" per se. I'm disagreeing with the perceived ceiling. Those are definitely two different things. This is strictly a difference in opinion. I respect your opinion on the kid. More than I would most peoples opinion honestly. I just don't see the skill or physical attributes necessary to thrive in the system the Devil's are trying to run in him. While Wood is somewhat of a potato, he has the attributes physically to thrive here.

Again, not saying Anderson is a bust or not going to play in the NHL. I'm just not as high on his potential as several are. So if push comes to shove, give me the guy who is big, blazing fast, and has shown he absolutely can be effective on this team and in this system over a guy who might or might not thrive.

Ideally you keep both and see who ultimately pans out. The situation we were talking about that started this entire discussion did not afford that luxury, though. The original post was about whether one would expose Anderson or Wood to the expansion draft. I'd chose Anderson right now.

 

[Nubmer6]

Patience is a virtue.

... that this board often lacks.

 

[Triumph]

Callahan spent his age 20 season in the OHL likely in part because he was an overage draft pick but he scored 39 goals (35 AHL, 4 NHL) in his first pro season at age 21. Before people go throwing comparisons around, that's the kind of thing Anderson has to do to be spoken of in the same breath. I like Anderson and think he will be an NHLer but scoring 4 goalie in net goals last year in 47 pro games isn't quite going to do it, though obviously most of that is NHL time.

 

[Forge]

Man why do I always miss the Wood debates?

I've pointed this out before, but he had more 5v5 primary assists then Nico this season. Also had more sog's. This while playing about 170 less minutes.

He also played a significant amount of minutes this past season on our primary defensive line.

Led the team in sog's and individual corsi per 60. Scored 19 goals in his 2nd season in the league(could be said his first full season).

Yet we have him topping out as a 3rd line 20 goal guy? More likely a 4th liner who brings nothing besides straight line speed?

People vastly under rate him I think in part because of his corsi % through the first 30 games of his career.

I still see plenty of upside with Wood.

Maybe the thing we should be talking about then is Nico, not Wood.

 

[Billdo]

Maybe the thing we should be talking about then is Nico, not Wood.

 

[Sgt Brylin]

Opening night, Hynes style:

Hall-Hischier-Palmieri
Bratt-Hughes-Simmonds
Zacha-Zajac-Boqvist
Wood-Coleman-Anderson
Hayden

Smith-Subban
Greene-Severson
Butcher-Vatanen
Carrick, Mueller

Cory
Mac

This is a playoff team.