Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) XI

[Nubmer6]

 

[Ol Dirty Bstrd]

The return for hall isn’t going some massive haul like many think. I know something is better then nothing but again unless this team isn’t in a playoff chase they aren’t moving him. A late first rounder and meh throw in isn’t going to move the needle for players management and esp ownership that is just a fact. Again they don’t green light a suban trade to just throw it away if the team is in a playoff chase and hall isn’t signed. That just makes no sense at all. I can fully see hall playing this year out and signing during the summer IF this team makes the playoffs.

Stone returned Brannstrom and a 2nd at the deadline. So you’d rather try to squeak in as a wildcard than get that kind of return? Hopefully Shero doesn’t feel the same way

 

[MadDevil]

Sometimes seemingly logical pairings or lines don't work for whatever reason. On paper a Zacha/Hughes/Palmieri line makes sense. But in practice maybe Hughes and Zacha don't click. Or maybe Palmieri ends up looking lost with them. For all we know Hughes could click with Boqvist or even somebody like Anderson and Zacha ends up with Zajac or centering a very effective 4th line. Or maybe Zajac hits a wall 20 games in and Zacha takes the reins from him as our shutdown center.

I'm just glad that we can actually argue about a center being shifted to wing because we're that deep up the middle.

 

[TheDuke93]

Is it possible that Dach and Kappo end up being better then Hughes, yes it is, but what kind of GM/Scout is that insane to take both of those guys ahead of Hughes? I understand having conviction in your analysis and scouting but you really have to over value size and be scared of "small" players, even though Hughes still is not that small, to justify taking not one but both of them ahead of Hughes. I really want to know what team had their ranking like that and how good or bad their draft history is.

 

[Nubmer6]

 

[glenwo2]

Is some team's GM sniffing glue?

That is quite a leap to think Kakko 1st and Dach(of all people) 2nd, followed by Hughes.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Is it possible that Dach and Kappo end up being better then Hughes, yes it is, but what kind of GM/Scout is that insane to take both of those guys ahead of Hughes? I understand having conviction in your analysis and scouting but you really have to over value size and be scared of "small" players, even though Hughes still is not that small, to justify taking not one but both of them ahead of Hughes. I really want to know what team had their ranking like that and how good or bad their draft history is.

It's also total BS from a practical standpoint; I mean, it's not a big risk if I have Wilford Brimley #1 or #2 on my "draft board" when I know I have literally 0% chance of picking #1 or #2.

 

[MadDevil]

Is some team's GM sniffing glue?

That is quite a leap to think Kakko 1st and Dach(of all people) 2nd, followed by Hughes.

It's probably the same source Bill Watters was using that called Hughes a spoiled brat.

 

[BenedictGomez]

It's probably the same source Bill Watters was using that called Hughes a spoiled brat.

Should also be noted that Friedman said, "Yeah, I dont know about that" and Marek laughed (meaning he disagreed as well).

It's about 20 seconds before the 1:01 mark if anyone wants to waste their time listening to it.

 

[markog]

Probably Chicago.

 

[MadDevil]

Should also be noted that Friedman said, "Yeah, I dont know about that" and Marek laughed (meaning he disagreed as well).

It's about 20 seconds before the 1:01 mark if anyone wants to waste their time listening to it.

I rarely listen to 31 Thoughts anymore. I don't know if the quality of the podcast has dropped or if I've just lost interest.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Stone returned Brannstrom and a 2nd at the deadline. So you’d rather try to squeak in as a wildcard than get that kind of return? Hopefully Shero doesn’t feel the same way

Something is better than nothing. We’re not a contender and don’t need the distraction.

 

[JrFischer54]

Stone returned Brannstrom and a 2nd at the deadline. So you’d rather try to squeak in as a wildcard than get that kind of return? Hopefully Shero doesn’t feel the same way

He negotiated an extension prior to that trade it wasn’t a rental

 

[Unknown Caller]

He negotiated an extension prior to that trade it wasn’t a rental

No reason Hall can’t do the same. Regardless, in the scenario he hasn’t been re-signed by the trade deadline, he 100% has to be moved. The Devils odds of winning the cup this year are slim to none. There’s no reason to be cute with it.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

The coyotes also had Victor Soderstrom 3rd on their draft board. Also it's so much easier to rank Hughes 3rd when you arent the one making the first pick, imagine a fan base reacting to taking Kirby Dach over Hughes? I would pay to see that happen to another team.

 

[BahlDeep]

Wood > Zacha.

Wood should get first crack at left wing on Hughes line. Wood is a better scorer and better skater to keep up with Hughes. Wood is also more physical and better on the boards to dig pucks out. If someone takes a run at Hughes, you know Wood is going to protect him. I can't see Zacha doing that despite his physical gifts. Zacha plays soft for his size.

Lol absolutely not

 

[Davegarri]

Because that type of void it would create from leadership worked perfectly in Edmonton.

Still have plenty of leadership on the team, it won't be that big of a deal

 

[Merrills Marauders]

 

[Cheddabombs]

ahahaha that still of Ray in the video

like even he still can't believe Hughes is a Devil

 

[Camille the Eel]

There are lots ways to deal with a possible Hall trade if he knows where he wants to go or can give Shero a number of places he'd be happy to go and especially if any of them are interested in extending him. But it's complicated.

But the relevant thing is that Shero has already tipped his hand that he's okay with Hall playing out the season here. I take him at his word but in that case, how not to let it become a massive distraction as time goes on and also how not to get nothing in return for him if and when he leaves?

He has high value now to a team that believes it can extend or resign him but the major moves have already been made and I don't expect any more blockbuster trades before the season. So the next window may open when clubs can see how they are doing and still believe they may be able to restructure and compete as St. Louis turned things around last year, though not that late.

Personally I'm already distracted by the Hall talk. It's obviously the most important unknown. But maybe Shero is right - it's not "unknown" for this season.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Lol absolutely not

Based on their careers to date, Wood is better Zacha. I don't see anyway you can argue otherwise.

I'm sick of the argument, Zacha's last 20 games of last season were good. Well what happened to his first 60 games! How can you not take that into account. Career high of 25 points.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Based on their careers to date, Wood is better Zacha. I don't see anyway you can argue otherwise.

I'm sick of the argument, Zacha's last 20 games of last season were good. Well what happened to his first 60 games! How can you not take that into account. Career high of 25 points.

Zacha had a better year point and goal wise last year, not that its much of an advantage. Zacha plays center (more valuable), Zacha is a great PK player, he's very good defensively while not taking a ton of penalties. He is not as good a skater in a straight line and that's where Miles has the advantage, but in every other facet of the game besides that and effort (Wood tries too hard at times) Zacha is better than Wood. Zacha also has 76 points in 201 games and Wood has 73 points in 200 games.

 

[Darkauron]

Zacha had a better year point and goal wise last year, not that its much of an advantage. Zacha plays center (more valuable), Zacha is a great PK player, he's very good defensively while not taking a ton of penalties. He is not as good a skater in a straight line and that's where Miles has the advantage, but in every other facet of the game besides that and effort (Wood tries too hard at times) Zacha is better than Wood. Zacha also has 76 points in 201 games and Wood has 73 points in 200 games.

Pretty much this. Wood is probably a bit better offensively, but that is not enough to put him over zacha.

 

[Billdo]

Probably Vancouver

 

[Billdo]

Based on their careers to date, Wood is better Zacha. I don't see anyway you can argue otherwise.

I'm sick of the argument, Zacha's last 20 games of last season were good. Well what happened to his first 60 games! How can you not take that into account. Career high of 25 points.

Do you watch the games or just check hockeydb? If you honestly believe Miles Wood is a better player than Pavel Zacha there's really no reason to even continue this.

In 24 hours we've had posters saying Miles Wood is essentially useless and has already reached his ceiling and now saying he's better than Zacha.