I'm not sure that 50% comment is accurate, but regardless he obviously made a change as he matured as evidenced by his MVP season. Perhaps he wasn't ready to be a leader earlier in his career, but maybe he is now.
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I'm not sure that 50% comment is accurate, but regardless he obviously made a change as he matured as evidenced by his MVP season. Perhaps he wasn't ready to be a leader earlier in his career, but maybe he is now.
glenwo2
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He may be a stud but is he better than Dylan Cozens or Trevor Zegras?
That's what a good number of Wings fans are wondering right now I bet.
They're also wondering if their GM has gone off the deep end.
R8Devs
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Edmonton missing the playoffs wasn't because of Hall. Anyway if he's playing he has an 'A' on the jersey and it doesn't get rotated out from him anymore so he's part of the de-facto captains on the Devils (Hall, Zajac, Greene).
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I think Hall is the type of "Skill" leader that leads by example. While Pals would be that home town boy that is a good representation of nj but also is probably more of a "traditional" leader. It all depends on what the Org would want
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If I were to bet on the Devils' next captain I would say it's going to be Hall (if he re-signs) and if not it's going to be Nico
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Interesting read on the slow pace of signings as cap-available teams are demanding higher than usual prices to bail out cap-strapped teams during this year's free agency period.
Calm Before the Storm: Stingy Cap-Floor Teams Clogging RFAs
Calm Before the Storm: Stingy Cap-Floor Teams Clogging RFAs
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Severson has been a Devil for 5 years lol
Subban and Simmonds being in their first year means literally nothing to the overall leadership, if anything it helps to bring them in as new voices
Coleman being 27 is young? in what NHL the 1980s?
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I don’t consider Hall a fiery leader per se but I wouldn’t bag him for getting dispirited on bad teams. Look at Ryan O’Reilly, he admitted the losing in Buffalo made him lose his love for the game, he gets dumped for a bag of pucks and showed how much of a stud he was when he finally had something to play for again. Hall also stepped up when he had a chance to get his team to the playoffs to the tune of an MVP.
To clarify, I personally wouldn't have taken him at that spot given who else was available. I'd easily have gone Zegras or Podkolzin there (I wouldn't have taken Cozens top-10). After that, however, the gaps are so slim for the next 10 or so picks IMO, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My only point was I could see him being considered a top-10 player to come out of this draft in a few years time.
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the leadership debates are my favorite part of the summer, because this is a topic people on a message board are very qualified to have strong opinions on
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You could say the same thing about almost every debate here though...coach tactics, GM’ing, etc
That was what I took away from the feature piece that NHL.com did a few days ago with Hynes and Shero saying something like “Hall is all in for the season” and that they have been talking to him and he’s training in Toronto and all that. Maybe I just took it as implicit.
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Agreed, which is why it would be huge for Shero to try to get him locked up this summer.
6 years, 6.5 million AAV? Hischier will get to UFA at age 27, while the Devils get 6 years of him at a very team friendly contract.
I agree, I think Detroit will look very good in a couple of years for this pick.
I would think that if Hall signs long-term with NJ, he will be named the C for next season.
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nope, those are all different. people here saying this guy’s a leader, that one isn’t as if they have any idea what goes on in that room is hilarious
R8Devs
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yeah but the leadership arguments are just funny when it comes to fans tho. it's amazing how someone becomes a better leader when their team becomes talented lol
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i didn't say coleman was young i was just saying he has 3 pro years under his belt. he isn't exactly the grizzled veteran leadership i would look to. subban and simmonds would be good canidates for veteran role/leadership except one is going to be here a year and another hasn't even played a single min in the jersey.
also the oilers didn't make the playoffs because hall wasn't there. same as he wasn't the reason why they never made it when he was there. keep in mind they have been a bottom team since that fluke* playoff apperance a few years ago.
the people that want nico to get the C next? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what? no
palm should be the next captain
On Reddit, someone took a screenshot of Hughes and Shero shaking hands after Hughes signed the contract and clearly visible on the desk in Shero’s files is a folder labeled “Taylor Hall.” Pretty funny to see that.
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i detect sarcasm but i am not sure
unless anyone played professional hockey for a living or worked behind the bench on a hockey club then i dont think anyone is qualified to really talk on a msg board about it honestly. it would be a pretty lonely place.
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Yes I would want Nico to be captain over Palms. Young guys have gotten the captaincy pletny of times and Nico is a stud who works his bag off and is the perfect lead-by-example leader. Coleman has been through a lot in his career and I would say he is a veteran leader at 27 as one of the better bottom 6 players in the league. Im not sure why 3 seasons in the NHL cant make you a leader. Simmonds is a good leader, what is he supposed to do about only being on a one year deal? Should he just do nothing because theres a chance this is the only season he is here? That's not exactly how that works.
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Evidently we need 35 + year olds who have been in the organization forever to be a veteran.
Exactly. For all the dumb things people say about tactics or GMing, at least they are based on things that are plainly visible to everyone.
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Remember how Colorado traded Ryan O'Reilly because he was a bad leader?
And then Buffalo traded Ryan O'Reilly three years later because he was a bad leader?
And then he won the Conn Smythe 11 months later?
Leadership has nothing to do with talent or on-ice team success. This isn't a movie where your captain gives an epic motivational speech and then you go out and beat the Soviets.
If you have a shitty team you're going to get shitty results, even if you have Messier or Stevens or Yzerman or any other great famously strong leader.
Edmonton has been a tire fire from top to bottom for over a decade, I really don't give the slightest of shits about what happened on any of those teams.
And then Buffalo traded Ryan O'Reilly three years later because he was a bad leader?
And then he won the Conn Smythe 11 months later?
Leadership has nothing to do with talent or on-ice team success. This isn't a movie where your captain gives an epic motivational speech and then you go out and beat the Soviets.
If you have a shitty team you're going to get shitty results, even if you have Messier or Stevens or Yzerman or any other great famously strong leader.
Edmonton has been a tire fire from top to bottom for over a decade, I really don't give the slightest of shits about what happened on any of those teams.
None Shall Pass
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Well, that was probably the worst worded headline I've seen from Morreale to date. Borderline click-bait, IMO.
But none of the Shero quotes in that article were new, they were all from past interviews. The "all in" quote was from Hynes giving standard PR answers to questions on Hall.
If Shero doesn't have Hall signed by training camp, and still chooses not to trade him at that time, that will be his first a massive blunder as GM (judging, of course, from the comfort of my armchair). Hall's value isn't increasing with time, it's decreasing. If he isn't convinced the team has improved by training camp, it's reasonable to expect he won't for the remainder of his current contract. By that logic, he'll need to be moved.
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