Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) XI

[Bleedred]

If both Hayden and Rooney are regulars, that might be the weakest 4th line we've had since the days Rod Pelley was centering Cam Janssen or Adam Mair or some other shit goon like Andrew Peters.

Obviously we've had worse when it came to call ups or late season tank jobs, but that would really make me pine for the days of not too long ago of J.S. Dea or Brian Gibbons.

 

[Bleedred]

mother****er!!!!

just to get me going, right?

I'm pretty certain that we've seen the last of him, not only with the Devils but in the NHL. If we see him again in the organization it will be in a non-playing capacity.

Now, I was PRETTY damn confident that 2017-2018 was going to be the end of him as a Devil and that he wouldn't be back with us, nor anywhere else, as his signing by us in August of 2017 was clearly his last chance contract and he didn't perform well enough that year and was a complete bust after the first month of the season, outside of the shootout. He wasn't signed until like August 20-somethingeth of 2017? Just a few weeks before camp started? So I figured that 17-18 was his swan song, with how poorly he performed from November of 2017 onward.

But I was wrong. I think this time I'll be right. He ain't coming back, unless it's in an off-ice position. He's done as a player in the NHL. I'd say maybe there's a job for him in Europe as a player, if he wants to go there. Maybe in the AHL on a two way contract, if he really wants.

 

[Bleedred]

Great trivia question for the future.

Drew Stafford's final career NHL goal was scored on none other than soon-to-be-cup winning goalie Jake Allen on the power play. And it was assisted by Pavel Zacha and Kenny Agostino.

But his ALMOST final career NHL goal was a deflection goal on Roberto Luongo, who was also playing in the final NHL game of his career, but it was called back due to a high stick.

 

[MadDevil]

He also had one shot that the crowd proceeding to gasp at how fluent and quick the release was. He looks somewhat similar to Marcus Johansson on the ice.

Every time I see Boqvist skate I think it's MoJo for a second. He even wears the same number.

 

[Nubmer6]

If both Hayden and Rooney are regulars, that might be the weakest 4th line we've had since the days Rod Pelley was centering Cam Janssen or Adam Mair or some other **** goon like Andrew Peters.

Obviously we've had worse when it came to call ups or late season tank jobs, but that would really make me pine for the days of not too long ago of J.S. Dea or Brian Gibbons.

I feel like we'll keep Rooney and Hayden around and adjust the 4th line according to who we play, inserting them if we think we need an "energy line", and playing Boqvist and Anderson/Bastian/whoever if we want a 3rd scoring line.

 

[Omark]

I was looking trough 2002-2003 season where Devils won the cup and the weirdest thing i've seen in a while hits. Your first goaltender was Brodeur who had 91,3% save and second goalie Corey Schwab had 93,3% with 1,47 GAA in 11 games. In playoffs he had 2 games - both shutouts. Next season he played 3 games 97,1% and then ended his career? Is this the greatest back up goalie of all time what the hell.

Sorry for little OT.

 

[Bleedred]

I feel like we'll keep Rooney and Hayden around and adjust the 4th line according to who we play, inserting them if we think we need an "energy line", and playing Boqvist and Anderson/Bastian/whoever if we want a 3rd scoring line.

Hayden seems like more of a goon than anything.

With the signing of Simmonds (who isn't a goon, but will fight people), I don't think there's a need for Hayden to play all that much, if at all.

We've only even had goons on the NHL squad in the Shero/Hynes era during the two years that we've been really bad in 16-17 and 18-19. We had Luke Gazdic here in 16-17, who was called up later in the year and Kurtis Gabriel, who was called up for the first time in November of last year for an Islanders game. And even he was sent right back for a while after that.

 

[Goptor]

If both Hayden and Rooney are regulars, that might be the weakest 4th line we've had since the days Rod Pelley was centering Cam Janssen or Adam Mair or some other **** goon like Andrew Peters.

Obviously we've had worse when it came to call ups or late season tank jobs, but that would really make me pine for the days of not too long ago of J.S. Dea or Brian Gibbons.

Worst I could find had none of those guys.
I found a game where it was Vasyunov-Mills-Sestito.
Pelley was centering the 3rd line with Mair in that game!
New Jersey Devils at Vancouver Canucks Box Score — November 1, 2010 | Hockey-Reference.com

Peters was 2009-2010 so this was later.

 

[Bleedred]

I was looking trough 2002-2003 season where Devils won the cup and the weirdest thing i've seen in a while hits. Your first goaltender was Brodeur who had 91,3% save and second goalie Corey Schwab had 93,3% with 1,47 GAA in 11 games. In playoffs he had 2 games - both shutouts. Next season he played 3 games 97,1% and then ended his career? Is this the greatest back up goalie of all time what the hell.

Sorry for little OT.

He wasn't anywhere near the greatest backup goalie of all time. Hell no! He played 6 games with us 95-96 and sucked and he was worthless everywhere else he played. He didn't even have better than an .899% any year before he came back here the second time. He was more remembered for beating the f*** out of Tommy Soderstrom (which was pretty sweet) during an Islanders game back in 1995 the first time he was here, than anything else he ever did in his career.

He benefited from being very sparsely used in 02-03 and he only played 3 games in 03-04. If he played a bunch more games, he wasn't gonna sustain those numbers or even numbers as good as Brodeur.

But his career ended because he got hurt. I don't remember exactly what his injury was, but the final game of his career was on January 17th of 2004 and he played all 62 minutes and 10 seconds of it, allowing just 1 goal on 19 shots to the (then) very lowly Capitals that were on their way to drafting Ovechkin first overall a few months later.

I clearly remember him ending up on IR after this and Scott Clemmensen getting a call up and playing the very next week and Schwab never played in the NHL again and was out for the remainder of that season. I don't even think he dressed as the backup again after that game. I don't remember exactly how he hurt himself, but if it was in-game, he obviously finished the whole game. Might have been a lingering thing.

I think he took a job right after the 2005 lockout ended with the Lightning as some goalie coach/consultant. He's worked for several teams since, the Sharks being one of them. I think he's been the goaltending coach for the Coyotes ever since Sean Burke quit there.

 

[beekay414]

6. Coleman (assuming he's extended ahead of time)
7. Wood

Exposed: Anderson, McLeod, Bastian, UFA Zajac

McLeod, Anderson or Bastian could all work their way up to the protected group over the next two seasons, plus trades could impact the list as well. I don't see Zacha being exposed though.

If we protect Wood or Coleman over Joey Anderson ...

 

[Nubmer6]

If we protect Wood or Coleman over Joey Anderson ...

Coleman may not even be here. He'll be 30 and probably looking for a big contract.

Also, we don't know how Anderson will pan out yet. Hopefully, he'll be worth protecting.

 

[kiwidevil]

I think Zacha -Hughes - Palms is a perfectly balanced line. Provides Hughes defensive insulation in Zacha, while gives him a familiar RH volume shooter on his right a.l.a Caulfield. While PZ and KP may have career years.

Bratt can play RW next to Nico again.
Then a 3rd line of Coleman - Zajac - Simmonds has a chance at a 60 goal third line.

 

[captainscott]

McLeod is not ready for the jump...It will be better for his development playing top 6 minutes in Bingo.

I wouldn't bet on anyhing this early in the off season. I for one was really impressed with his last 10-12 games last season. . this team is going to have to start some guys that are ready for NHL down in Bing. not neccesarily a bad thing.. but Bastian and Mcleod could be two really good 4th line guys and bastian can get pp time as mcleod gets some pk time to get them to 8-10 per night etc.

 

[captainscott]

I think Zacha -Hughes - Palms is a perfectly balanced line. Provides Hughes defensive insulation in Zacha, while gives him a familiar RH volume shooter on his right a.l.a Caulfield. While PZ and KP may have career years.

Bratt can play RW next to Nico again.
Then a 3rd line of Coleman - Zajac - Simmonds has a chance at a 60 goal third line.

on paper it sounds good but zacha is so much better at center.. and putting him on wing sort of nuetralizes him defensively to a point..

 

[TheUnseenHand]

If we protect Wood or Coleman over Joey Anderson ...

What has Anderson shown at this point? I'd 100% protect Miles over Anderson. Every single team has Anderson like players that will be exposed. They likely wouldn't pick him up. They would absolutely take Wood, and likely would take Coleman.

 

[captainscott]

Again, I was suggesting letting McLeod start the season as 4C if he has a good camp as hes expected too (hes a veteran at this point with them). Give him however many games and IMO I think he could stick. Id let Rooney play RW but this all is if Boqvist doesn't make it. Even then Id want McLeod getting some games to start - its not always about earning the games but sometimes you want to try and push them along, get their confidence up. He'd be 4C not like were throwing him to the wolves in the top-6

mcleod ticket to a roster spot is to play with heavy grit ... get in a few fights in pre season etc. fill that toughness void the team is trying to establish.. thats where he and bastian can earn a roster spot.. my prediction is we are going to have too many solid forwards and 2-4 pretty good guys wont make it

 

[captainscott]

What has Anderson shown at this point? I'd 100% protect Miles over Anderson. Every single team has Anderson like players that will be exposed. They likely wouldn't pick him up. They would absolutely take Wood, and likely would take Coleman.

agreed

 

[zombie abo]

Broqvist will be amazing. And no I don’t have my expectations too high. Pshaw

 

[Billdo]

I can assure both of you that both McLeod and Bastian will be in the AHL for the large majority of this season. They aren't even close on the depth chart to be honest, unless they have incredible training camps - which isn't likely.

They will most likely only spent time in the NHL if there is a good chunk of injuries at the same time.

John? Ray? Is that you?

 

[Nocashstyle]

If we protect Wood or Coleman over Joey Anderson ...

Umm, what?

 

[Ripshot 43]

If we protect Wood or Coleman over Joey Anderson ...

Proof that Blake Coleman is still massively underrated.

 

[zombie abo]

Coleman is awesome

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

yeah I like Anderson and all but he has a long way to go to surpass Coleman

 

[Sgt Brylin]

Everyone keeps questioning Boqvist's readiness, and no one remembers he spent all of last season playing against MEN.

 

[devilsblood]

Everyone keeps questioning Boqvist's readiness, and no one remembers he spent all of last season playing against MEN.

Clearly you are running with a meme here, but it does have truth to it.