Devils 2019-20 Preseason/Season team discussion (news and notes)

[devilsblood]

Wow, devilsblood.

This is embarassing, don't you think? lol.

It was points that Peter said, not goals.

Oops, my bad, but no, I'm not embarrassed.

 

[devilsblood]

did he?

You're right my bad, I was just skimming posts and I think I was thinking he must be talking goals because 44 points seems like a pretty low bar for Bratt?

 

[devilsblood]

You know that nico is 6'1 right? I swear you dont look up anything and whatever your brain feels is true you just say.

You guys and your advanced stats.

 

[devilsblood]

Get used to it, it’s PK. He’ll do and say things that hockey players “shouldn’t” and it rubs some people the wrong way, but at his core, he’s a team player.

Is this really a case of a guy saying something he shouldn't?

I see it as more of a: "No matter what you say, someone, somewhere, will find a problem with it" type of situation.

 

[Blackjack]

You know that nico is 6'1 right? I swear you dont look up anything and whatever your brain feels is true you just say.

And it's not just Nico. We have Zacha, Wood, Simmonds, and Zajac who all have size, and even though they might not slot into our imagined top six of Hall, Hishcier, Hughes, Bratt, Gusev, and Palmieri, are offensive contributors.

 

[devilsblood]

And it's not just Nico. We have Zacha, Wood, Simmonds, and Zajac who all have size, and even though they might not slot into our imagined top six of Hall, Hishcier, Hughes, Bratt, Gusev, and Palmieri, are offensive contributors.

And a guy like Zajac will probably get more TOI then guys on the "2nd" line.

 

[MartyOwns]

subban should tweet a picture of markov with the ‘breeding material’ caption

 

[RangerDoggo]

Is this really a case of a guy saying something he shouldn't?

I see it as more of a: "No matter what you say, someone, somewhere, will find a problem with it" type of situation.

That’s why I put that word in quotes. To you and me, that’s an innocuous statement. But hockey purists look at this statement and see the worst.

 

[Nubmer6]

Why are you constantly bringing up Height? It has nothing to do with anything. (and you think I lost credibility?)

Maybe in Football, Basketball, and Baseball...Height matters but Hockey? Only if you're a Goaltender, imo.

And they are both the same age.

What makes you think Bratt won't develop a shot and score more goals while being a Playmaker?

At this point, Laine is who he is : A one-dimensional sniper.

Somehow I don't think he will develop any playmaking skills.

You either have that ability or you don't.

Sorry but I prefer players who are NOT One-Dimensional and can do other things to help their team when their shot is NOT going in the net.

Sorry, I know you're a big Bratt fan, but Laine is the kink of player we need, despite his shortcomings. We really need a right handed shoot first player with size to go with all our smaller playmakers.

That said, I'd give up Bratt for him, but I wouldn't be so willing to give up Severson too. Not with Vats possibly gone next year and a fairly limited D pipeline.

 

[Offseason Champs]

Sorry, I know you're a big Bratt fan, but Laine is the kink of player we need, despite his shortcomings. We really need a right handed shoot first player with size to go with all our smaller playmakers.

That said, I'd give up Bratt for him, but I wouldn't be so willing to give up Severson too. Not with Vats possibly gone next year and a fairly limited D pipeline.

Respectfully disagree. Bratt is not going to command as much money as Laine likely will and we need to save big time contracts for Hall Nico and Jack. Adding Laine to that would likely mean losing out on someone like Gusev or Boqvist or even Zacha or McLeod if they find their games and live up to their potential. Bratt fits in more nicely for the long terms especially if Laine is lookin for 8-10 a year. His goal scoring is very good and I think last year was a down year for him but yeah I wouldn’t add him to this core necessarily. If Gusev wasn’t here it’s a different story for me since there would be an obvious hole in the top 6. That’s my opinion.

 

[Hisch13r]

@Bleedred



@Taylor Hall

Yeah...he didn't fade, BlackJack. We are in agreement.

He got hurt by an errant puck in practice which caused him to miss a good part of the beginning of the season.

Then he got hurt by another errant puck on his leg during the latter half(I think) of our forgettable season last year and was shut down the rest of the way.


So no. He most certainly did not fade.

BTW, remember this?

But yeah...let's trade him for a one-dimensional player whose only strength is his shot.

We already have that type of player : His name is Kyle Palmieri.

Huh? Palmieri is far from one dimensional. He is really good defensively as well

 

[mtnet]

Sorry, I know you're a big Bratt fan, but Laine is the kink of player we need, despite his shortcomings. We really need a right handed shoot first player with size to go with all our smaller playmakers.

That said, I'd give up Bratt for him, but I wouldn't be so willing to give up Severson too. Not with Vats possibly gone next year and a fairly limited D pipeline.

The plot thickens...

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Huh? Palmieri is far from one dimensional. He is really good defensively as well

might be on the PK this year depending on if Rooney makes the roster, good solid defensive wing. He has rotated in the PK in the past with injuries.

 

[Blackjack]

Sorry, I know you're a big Bratt fan, but Laine is the kink of player we need, despite his shortcomings. We really need a right handed shoot first player with size to go with all our smaller playmakers.

That said, I'd give up Bratt for him, but I wouldn't be so willing to give up Severson too. Not with Vats possibly gone next year and a fairly limited D pipeline.

I honestly don't understand this, Palmieri is a superb righty shot and has good goal totals. No, he's not on the level of Laine, but he plays a more rounded game. Look at the players Laine had to play with last year: Wheeler, Scheifele, Ehlers, Connor, Little. The Jets are loaded to the gills with talented offensive forwards. How many goals and points would Kyle Palmieri get if he played next to Blake Wheeler and Mark Scheifle?

 

[Hisch13r]

might be on the PK this year depending on if Rooney makes the roster, good solid defensive wing. He has rotated in the PK in the past with injuries.

We have the trio of Zacha, Zajac and Coleman who are locks then I'd go with Bratt as the next best option with guys like Nico and Palms rotating in at times

 

[Blackjack]

Good blurb on Laine's game.

Patrik Laine looking extremely bad lately

 

[Camille the Eel]

We have the trio of Zacha, Zajac and Coleman who are locks then I'd go with Bratt as the next best option with guys like Nico and Palms rotating in at times

If Bratt can become stronger on his stick and on the puck one-on-one.

 

[BurntToast]

First, Palms > Laine. Palms is one of the best 2-way wings and a local guy.

Rookie Camp can’t come soon enough. Boqvist, McLeod and Hughes should run circles around the competition.

Final thoughts:

Hall Hughes Palms
Gusev Nico Bratt/Simmonds

There are many potential line combos but putting Hughes with Gusev and Bratt seems more risk than reward. Even swapping Simmonds with Bratt the line seems a little risky.

 

[Hisch13r]

While we're on the topic of Bratt I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that a guy who had just turned 19 and was a 6th round pick a little over a year prior who never even played in the SHL managed to make an NHL team and put up 35 pts in 74 games. Then went on a have a 50+ pt pace season on an offensively inept and injury ridden team at 20 years old. It just makes no sense

If Bratt can become stronger on his stick and on the puck one-on-one.

His PK numbers are the 4th best on the team for forwards over the last 2 seasons outdoing guys like Rooney, Nico and Palms. He should get the last spot

 

[Blackjack]

If Bratt can become stronger on his stick and on the puck one-on-one.

He will do that as a simple function of physical maturation. I think that might best explain why I'm so high on him; Bratt has the hard parts of the game figured out already. His intelligence is off the charts, he's fantastic in tight spaces, he's perhaps the most creative playmaker we've had since Elias, and he's actually a pretty good shooter. Everything he's already shown only figures to get better as he matures physically.

 

[Camille the Eel]

No doubt but that was only half my point. In his development he needs to be stronger on the puck. It would be big for him and us.

NB this was a response to the second to last preceding post. I also agree it will happen naturally as he physically matures.

 

[MartyOwns]

First, Palms > Laine. Palms is one of the best 2-way wings and a local guy.

i disagree wholeheartedly

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I believe Taylor Hall is our best trade chip. I am starting to realize he seems to be the type of guy who wants to play in a big market such as NYR or Toronto. I think it would be very, very wise for the Devils to try to strike a deal with Toronto for Mitch Marner. Or with Vancouver for Boeser +. Or with Calgary for Matthew Tkachuk. Or Winnipeg for Laine/Connor+

 

[Hisch13r]

I believe Taylor Hall is our best trade chip. I am starting to realize he seems to be the type of guy who wants to play in a big market such as NYR or Toronto. I think it would be very, very wise for the Devils to try to strike a deal with Toronto for Mitch Marner. Or with Vancouver for Boeser +. Or with Calgary for Matthew Tkachuk. Or Winnipeg for Laine/Connor+

Nice random assumptions based on absolutely nothing. Also lol at thinking teams will trade a early 20's star and add to get a late 20's star with an injury history and one year left

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Palms had a better year last year than Laine did, dont really think you can even debate that. Similar scoring output, much better overall player than Laine last year. I dont think he is a more talented player (obviously) or even a more valuable player moving forward but last year he was better no doubt.