Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part IX

[Hischier and Hughes]

I don't think it falls on Shero if he can't resign him. It's not like we drafted and developed Hall and made him our captain, he's been here a few years and wants to win and I can't blame him if he wants to leave. If Shero tries to do what the Islanders did with tavares and wait it out, he should be fired before the start of the next year and bring someone in who will trade hall.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE MAJOR PROBLEM LIES

Everyone thinks Hall wants to win more than anything. The team isnt winning. If the team misses by a lot this year, no way he signs before October. If they miss by a little, will depend on how much he truly likes it here. If we end up making it so be it thats what he wants.

But Shero cant both rebuild for the future AND appease Hall and assemble a playoff competitive roster - all before October. Shero has to choose one path. Sure, ideally you can do both OVER TIME, but for right now Shero is either selling or buying. Hall wasnt too keen on entering the season with no new faces (as per his official interviews) and I doubt he’d like seeing Shero sell for picks.

So Shero can add guys right? Well that costs assets, which half the board doesnt want to give up because they DONT think we are a playoff team like Hall does.

So which is it people? Do you or do you not have Hall as the #1 priority for the franchise?

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

AND THIS IS WHERE THE MAJOR PROBLEM LIES

Everyone thinks Hall wants to win more than anything. The team isnt winning. If the team misses by a lot this year, no way he signs before October. If they miss by a little, will depend on how much he truly likes it here. If we end up making it so be it thats what he wants.

But Shero cant both rebuild for the future AND appease Hall and assemble a playoff competitive roster - all before October. Shero has to choose one path. Sure, ideally you can do both OVER TIME, but for right now Shero is either selling or buying. Hall wasnt too keen on entering the season with no new faces (as per his official interviews) and I doubt he’d like seeing Shero sell for picks.

So Shero can add guys right? Well that costs assets, which half the board doesnt want to give up because they DONT think we are a playoff team like Hall does.

So which is it people? Do you or do you not have Hall as the #1 priority for the franchise?

Personally, if Hall doesn't want to struggle for a couple seasons to hopefully see a bigger picture of a deep team with more studs, than he can kick rocks. I love Hall, but number 1 priority for me is eventually building the team to consistently compete.

 

[MichaelJ]

If hall doesnt sign by the start of next year you have to trade him, this franchise cant afford to lose him for nothing.

Can’t have a Parise repeat

 

[AfroThunder396]

Personally, if Hall doesn't want to struggle for a couple seasons to hopefully see a bigger picture of a deep team with more studs, than he can kick rocks. I love Hall, but number 1 priority for me is eventually building the team to consistently compete.

Hall wasted the first 6 years of his career waiting on a talented but struggling team to figure it out. I 100% understand why he wouldn't want to do that again.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Personally, if Hall doesn't want to struggle for a couple seasons to hopefully see a bigger picture of a deep team with more studs, than he can kick rocks. I love Hall, but number 1 priority for me is eventually building the team to consistently compete.

While I agree, I think the owners are pressuring Shero to try and do both

I could see Shero trading major assets for a top young piece that helps now and the future. Thatd be the best possible move for Hall and the future of the team.

Problem is who and for what?

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

While I agree, I think the owners are pressuring Shero to try and do both

I could see Shero trading major assets for a top young piece that helps now and the future. Thatd be the best possible move for Hall and the future of the team.

Problem is who and for what?

The whole thing makes me nervous, it would be a tough sell to ownership and the fan base to trade Hall. I do think if he doesnt sign by the start of next year, the ownership will understand moving him since tavares just happened and the fan base as well.

 

[NorwegianDevil]

What can we get for a signed/unsigned Hall?

 

[Emperoreddy]

While I agree, I think the owners are pressuring Shero to try and do both

I could see Shero trading major assets for a top young piece that helps now and the future. Thatd be the best possible move for Hall and the future of the team.

Problem is who and for what?

What evidence do you have that ownership is pressuring Shero?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

What evidence do you have that ownership is pressuring Shero?

Do I need evidence to think something..?

Ownership is on record saying Taylor Hall is priority #1.

Therefore, I assume ownership wants Shero doing anything barring franchise-destroying moves to keep Hall

 

[Zippy316]

I’m not on board the anti-Hynes train by any means, but I really hope Shero seriously considers Quenneville as an option if he can persuade him to come here.

In all honesty, we have three guys in Hischier, Bratt, and Severson who are very similar to Toews, Kane, and Keith respectively in terms of play styles.

If he can bring a little of what he brought to make those three into the players they are, the Devils could be in terrific shape moving forward. All three are already trending in the right direction so we’re in good shape, but it’s definitely something to consider.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I’m not on board the anti-Hynes train by any means, but I really hope Shero seriously considers Quenneville as an option if he can persuade him to come here.

In all honesty, we have three guys in Hischier, Bratt, and Severson who are very similar to Toews, Kane, and Keith respectively in terms of play styles.

If he can bring a little of what he brought to make those three into the players they are, the Devils could be in terrific shape moving forward. All three are already trending in the right direction so we’re in good shape, but it’s definitely something to consider.

Severson is not like Keith haha

 

[JimEIV]

Severson is not like Keith haha

There are definitely some similarties.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

There are definitely some similarties.

They are pretty dissimilar, outside of fast skating and good passing ability I don't see them being similar. Severson has a heavy shot, Keith doesn't. Keith may be the most tenacious defender in the NHL to make up for his size, Severson has some lackadaisical tenancies in the D zone. Severson has length, keith does not. Keith is great with agility on the blue line, Severson is decent with agility, but more of a power skater with a long stride opposed to Keiths shorter stride.

 

[Jets012]

Shows that we are actually above average at ES. Special Teams/Finishing around average. Goaltending in the bottom 8.

 

[Zippy316]

They are pretty dissimilar, outside of fast skating and good passing ability I don't see them being similar. Severson has a heavy shot, Keith doesn't. Keith may be the most tenacious defender in the NHL to make up for his size, Severson has some lackadaisical tenancies in the D zone. Severson has length, keith does not. Keith is great with agility on the blue line, Severson is decent with agility, but more of a power skater with a long stride opposed to Keiths shorter stride.

They’re of the same style.

Very efficient, yet simple game that’s capable of eating a lot of minutes because when they’re on their game, they make those minutes a lot easier on themselves. Severson always had that ability when he was playing well — not elite like Keith — but I always thought he had that type of potential.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

They’re of the same style.

Very efficient, yet simple game that’s capable of eating a lot of minutes because when they’re on their game, they make those minutes a lot easier on themselves. Severson always had that ability when he was playing well — not elite like Keith — but I always thought he had that type of potential.

those are all just generalities, they do not play a similar style outside of both being offensive minded D men.

 

[Bleedred]

I always thought Keith (or maybe Chara) was the closest comparable to a modern day Scott Stevens.

I think of Severson as more of an Erik Karlsson, although not nearly as good. He's more of a poor man's Karlsson or Burns. Maybe even a bit of PK Subban, obviously not nearly as good though. And if you watched any of those players, you would think they were even worse at ''Defense'' than Severson is. But they're also much better at making things happen.

A poor man's Karlsson, Burns or Subban is not an insult by any means. Not even close. It's a compliment.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I always thought Keith (or maybe Chara) was the closest comparable to a modern day Scott Stevens.

I think of Severson as more of an Erik Karlsson, although not nearly as good. He's more of a poor man's Karlsson or Burns. Maybe even a bit of PK Subban, obviously not nearly as good though. And if you watched any of those players, you would think they were even worse at ''Defense'' than Severson is. But they're also much better at making things happen.

A poor man's Karlsson, Burns or Subban is not an insult by any means. Not even close. It's a compliment.

Chara and Stevens I can see, I do not see Keith at all. Keith reminds me more of Rafalski.

 

[FooteBahl]

I always thought Keith (or maybe Chara) was the closest comparable to a modern day Scott Stevens.

I think of Severson as more of an Erik Karlsson, although not nearly as good. He's more of a poor man's Karlsson or Burns. Maybe even a bit of PK Subban, obviously not nearly as good though. And if you watched any of those players, you would think they were even worse at ''Defense'' than Severson is. But they're also much better at making things happen.

A poor man's Karlsson, Burns or Subban is not an insult by any means. Not even close. It's a compliment.

Poor man’s Karlsson like on welfare for 7 years with a 150 credit score...

 

[MichaelJ]

Severson is a decent, offensive RHD2. Maybe there’s more there, maybe not. The best way to handle him is to pair him with an established LHD who has better defensive skills or package him in a deal for a true RHD1....unless the organization can get a top RHD another way.

 

[Call Me Al]

seversons young, signed to a good contract and isn’t finished developing. unless the deal is a home run you keep him, he’s one of the few bright spots we have on d that we can rely on game to game as it is

 

[Maine Fan]

I’m not on board the anti-Hynes train by any means, but I really hope Shero seriously considers Quenneville as an option if he can persuade him to come here.

In all honesty, we have three guys in Hischier, Bratt, and Severson who are very similar to Toews, Kane, and Keith respectively in terms of play styles.

If he can bring a little of what he brought to make those three into the players they are, the Devils could be in terrific shape moving forward. All three are already trending in the right direction so we’re in good shape, but it’s definitely something to consider.

So you are satisfied with Hynes but think he can't do the best for the three players you mentioned. Interesting

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I don’t think the Hall discussion is reasonable until we reach the date when he’s actually eligible to extend.

Imagine if all of this worry and panic was for naught?

 

[JimEIV]

When comparing players I think people only remember primes.

For instance Keith came into the league at 22 years old in 2005...But when people think of Keith I think they think of the 2010 through 2015 Keith. He definitely was not that player in 2005.

Hell, think how long it took Chara to become the player he did. Chara played over 300 NHL games before anyone noticed him for anything other than his height.

So inevitably we are comparing a progressing player versus and established player and never really stopping to look at or remember the progression of the established player.

 

[MadDevil]

Trade him now Ray.