Devils 2017-18 team discussion (player news and notes) - Offseason part IX

[rrekaj13]

At this point, my guess is we pick up a few veterans in the Markov / Jagr / Gionta ilk that can be solid-enough contributors, good mentors, and movable at the deadline for late picks. Would provide some good stability to ease the kids in and be beneficial on both sides.

In an ideal world, we trade for a top 4 (top 2 D) and top 6 RW but that doesn't seem plausible at this point.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Rumors, no credible source however, that were close to signing Da Costa. If he plays rw i would be ok with that. We need to add talent up front, and it's a no risk move

We have enough talent being integrated for next year. What we really need is an insurance veteran NHLer RW, and I'd rather just pick from the FA pool that remains.

I'll maintain Gionta makes the most sense.

 

[None Shall Pass]

As far as I can tell, the Da Costa rumors are some random radio guy in Canada and an article on Pucks and Pitchforks (????) saying that we SHOULD sign him.

 

[OmNomNom]

def would't mind another year of jagr. funny guy, good mentorship, and publicity

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Jagr is the literal antithesis of what Shero wants in a Devils player.

 

[Emperoreddy]

You're expecting Franson to push one of Lovejoy/Moore out of the lineup? That's expecting a bit much from this coaching staff. He's bad and he'd probably push Santini, it's negatives all around.

This. Any D addition most likely pushes Santini to Bingo.

We should stay away from the remaining D free agents. If a trade gets done, fine, but not the table scraps left on the market.

 

[MartyOwns]

Jagr is the literal antithesis of what Shero wants in a Devils player.

long term, sure..but i hope he has the sense to recognize an easy, no-risk short term win in signing him. doesn't seem likely though, but honestly i don't care all that much whether he's brought on or not.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

long term, sure..but i hope he has the sense to recognize an easy, no-risk short term win in signing him. doesn't seem likely though, but honestly i don't care all that much whether he's brought on or not.

Jagr is excruciatingly slow and doesn't hit.

The exact opposite of Shero's speed and "hard to play against" mantra.

 

[HBK27]

At this point, my guess is we pick up a few veterans in the Markov / Jagr / Gionta ilk that can be solid-enough contributors, good mentors, and movable at the deadline for late picks. Would provide some good stability to ease the kids in and be beneficial on both sides.

In an ideal world, we trade for a top 4 (top 2 D) and top 6 RW but that doesn't seem plausible at this point.

Trade deadline returns for vets were underwhelming this past season. I'd rather stick with what we've got and give some of the kids a chance to play. Maybe Ray signs a college player that's going the Kerfoot route and/or grabs a player or two off of waivers or in a minor deal as cuts are happening in the pre-season. I'm not really interested in signing vets or bringing them in for camp tryouts.

 

[OmNomNom]

Jagr is excruciatingly slow and doesn't hit.

The exact opposite of Shero's speed and "hard to play against" mantra.

one could argue slowing the play to draw defenders to you and make space for the speedy bunch could be advantageous to the strategy though

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Jagr is excruciatingly slow and doesn't hit.

The exact opposite of Shero's speed and "hard to play against" mantra.

But he keeps the puck in the offensive zone and generates shots very very well still, something we could certainly use. I still think that reuniting Zajac and Jagr would be a smart move for Shero.

 

[OmNomNom]

plus i think there's merit to having a mixed bag of tricks. i mean, just because we're building a team that's "Fast, attacking, and supportive", doesn't mean we should pigeonhole ourselves to that strategy each and every single game. if the fast strat doesn't work, we'll have to adjust, and i think jagr could be a very useful tool in that scenario

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

The only guys I want who are still available are Markov and Jagr.

Markov would be a good option and would be a ideal partner for Severson, just like he was a ideal partner for Subban. The only reason I don't see it happening is that it would bump everyone down a notch and would leave Mueller as the odd man out. There's no way we gave up those assets in order to acquire a #7 who'll see 15 or so games.

As for Jagr, he would be a real solid addition just in terms of leadership, experience and work ethic. He's the ultimate veteran you need and want around a young team. As for his play on the ice, he's still a very effective player and we lack another option in our top #6, unless MoJo is the option.

 

[MullerBrotenVerbeek]

I'd welcome Jags back

 

[Cult of Hynes]

God, you guys really love your old slow as molasses players don't you?

No, keep Jagr off the team. So tired of this gotta have older vets on the team mentality from this fan base.

Let the kids play, it is a throw away year for ****'s sake.

 

[OmNomNom]

except he actually provides intangibles. marketing is def a huge factor, and a reason i could still see him as an option. if its such a throwaway year, why wouldn't his mentorship be useful? he has plenty of valid advice, considering he's been in the league since way before these kids were born. if you wanna let the kids play, then have them beat him out. though it's not like we have a surplus of RWs to compete for the spots, do we?

the guy put up 46 points last year, and played a full season. that was good enough for 4th on his team, and would have been 3rd on our team. you don't say no to a hockey freak like him, he's not just "some old guy". can you actually say you've seen him play and find him ineffective? because the stats don't reflect that at all.

also, you gotta watch your tone dude, you come off as quite aggressive

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

God, you guys really love your old slow as molasses players don't you?

No, keep Jagr off the team. So tired of this gotta have older vets on the team mentality from this fan base.

Let the kids play, it is a throw away year for ****'s sake.

You can't have a team full of rookies. The kids don't learn properly by playing in roles they're not ready for. Just look at how brutal the Oilers were when they had 2/3 of their teams as rookies or one year players.

Jagr would be a one year stopgap, nothing more. There's absolutely no downfall if we do sign Jagr, zero. Having Jagr mentor Zacha, like he did with Huberdeau, would be beneficial by itself.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

God, you guys really love your old slow as molasses players don't you?

No, keep Jagr off the team. So tired of this gotta have older vets on the team mentality from this fan base.

Let the kids play, it is a throw away year for ****'s sake.

He's better than every RW on this team not named Palmieri.

 

[Nubmer6]

inb4 Bleed pointing out that Jagr is too good at puck possession for Hynes to play him

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

I can see Shero signing Jagr to a cheap 1 year deal and then trading him at the deadline

 

[MullerBrotenVerbeek]

How would having Jagr around be bad for Hischer and Zacha's development?

 

[OmNomNom]

btw this is not everyone piling on one person (though it sort of is)

i'd legitimately like to hear an argument from taxman about the negatives, despite the statements made FOR acquiring him so far

 

[VoidCreature]

I would be so hyped if Jagr came back. I love that man.

 

[Nubmer6]

Well, MY arguments against are just what Taxman said: he's slow. I'm not sure how well he fits into what Shero wants to build, and the "team identity". He's also got a strong very strong personality that Shero/Hynes may not want on the team. I don't think he's a perfect fit, but if Speers and/or Quenneville don't work out on RW, I'd take him, especially if we end up trading a LW for defensive help and Johansson moves back to the left side.

 

[Darkauron]

Jagr is a great guy and would be a great help with the kids. That said, he will never be on this team just due to the fact of what kind of players we have been leaning towards for the team.