Post-Game Talk: Devil VII

[RangerLifer]

His fingerprints are all over this. This is his debacle as much as anyone's.

He's not the one who signed Panarin. Drury did all he could to bring in scoring.

 

[mas0764]

Why would Anaheim do that?

I was being facetious.

 

[RangerLifer]

Why would Anaheim do that?

Get Pat Verbeek drunk.

 

[LOFIN]

https://www.ticketmaster.com/second-round-gm-3-stars-at-seattle-washington/event/0F005E6907546346

I'm not going to get into reasons why the Avs lost to Seattle, but they literally won the cup 10 months ago. So they did something right there. I'm pretty sure you would take a 1st round exit next season if it meant the Rangers would hoist Lord Stanley in June.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Just an anecdote:

I work two jobs. One of them I interact with many random people per day. I get to strike up conversations and a lot of Rangers fans. Wearing Rangers hats, shirts, etc... Mind you in NJ 30 miles from Newark (only about 8 miles from NYC though). Rarely do I ever encounter a Devils fan, maybe count on one hand how many times I've seen Devils merchandise.

Around town don't see any Devils fans. No Devils merchandise. I do see Rangers logos, flags, so on.

Devils win last night, and suddenly I see Devils jerseys?

Represent your team all the time. Represent your colors on a regular basis not just fair weather.

For the several real fans, congratulations. Congratulations to the team that was built correctly. Well done.

I guess I can't stand fair weather fakeness.

Rangers may suck but at least our fan base is real. I wear my stuff regardless if they're terrible or lose pathetically or not.

 

[will1066]

I mean that didn’t really work out too well for the Avs

It did last year

 

[NYMantis24]

Personally, I like our team overall. We are still one of the younger teams in the NHL and have the bones of a perennial contender. As many have said, we had one of the worst draws for us as a team with NJD. It sucks but it is what it is.

Overall, we are in good shape going forward. Have a lot of big players. They need to get heavier and get some speed and snarl in the top 9 (top 6 mostly) but they are right there as one of the elite teams. The NHL playoff format is It wouldn't have been that surprising to see, if things played out differently, us play Isles and beat them, Canes beat devils and us beat Canes in the 2nd round. I would not have been shocked.

A lot of overreacting today. We are close, need the tweaks to the forward group and a defenseman, but I wouldn't be shocked to see us come back on a mission in 23-24 and win the whole, goddamn thing.

All of that said, Gallant has been a huge disappointment and I think you see with the up and down nature of this season, he's not the guy we want leading this team/developing our young players. The record is misleading for him. Interested to see how they go. Seems like he'll be gone based on the EF report but time will tell I guess.

Let's Go Rangers, bring on the offseason

 

[nsvoyageurs]

It's disappointing to see the season end, but I wasn't surprised it has.

A ton of blame to be thrown around; coaching, players, front office staff, etc. This roster was badly constructed, that's on Drury. They weren't always used properly; that's on Gallant.

I'm not absolving any blame from the players; for the most part, in this series, outside of Kreider and Shesterkin, they were garbage. Panarin should never wear a NYR uniform again. Fox is awful in his own end. No grit, no getting into the Devils/their goalies' faces. They lost to a goalie until a week ago, no one had ever heard of and made him look like a HOFer. This team is full of lazy slack-asses. They only want to play THEIR way, not the way you need to to win a Stanley Cup. No leadership. This is an organizational thing. Lack of development from the younger players; no accountability for the veterans, players being misused, etc. This team is a long way from winning a Stanley Cup.

I do give the Devils all the credit for winning the series; they were the better team. The Rangers made things easier for them though.

 

[bobbop]

Lawson Crouse. Guessing he's part of the long term plans in ARI? What about Barrett Hayton?

Not available.

 

[haveandare]

You also told us about a first round exit last year. You’re usually wrong.

Yup. The outspoken negative posters always do this - say everything is going to go wrong. If it does, say you predicted it. If it doesn’t, just be quiet and nobody will remember because they’re happy things went well.

I wish there was an actually intriguing coaching option. All the retreads available now suck and I’m sure Drury is skittish about trying someone new after Quinn

 

[qwertyaas]

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Better team won. Nothing else can be said about this series. An organization that understands the assignment versus an organization that doesn't.

Like, they tried. I really do believe that. They had no business going 7. This is just how bad they are.

You look at the failure of all the high picks. The way they play overall just isn't right. Panarin was not this bad until he got here. People say "oh we develop defense tho." Do we? I see a talented kid in Miller and a high pick in Schneider both becoming clueless board-chippers. Even Trouba used to have a decent first pass.

There's a massive stank in this organization, particularly in regard to skill and speed.

We've changed coaches. We've gone through a few cores now where the talent either just isn't there or it's there on paper but they play weird.

The smell is coming from upstairs.

Since Sather joined the organization 23 years ago, this team has been legitimately good at playing real (mostly 5v5) hockey three times - 2008, 2014, and 2015. The other 20 years have ranged from bad to "this literally isn't hockey."

They even tried to do a rebuild and it led them to the same type of team because the same people ran it.

The legitimately good players feel like accidents. They don't value skilled, fast players or develop those skills within their players. The ones that they acquire see huge portions of their game fall apart. The organization's understanding of NHL offense is broken. No move or set of moves will move the needle until the culture changes.

The Devils sucked for a long time and they changed things. We haven't meaningfully changed things in a long time.

NOTE: Please remember that the list of Machinehead is active in the summer.

You lost me at Panarin was not this bad until he got here. He has led the team in scoring each of the 4 years and has scored more than any Ranger in history in that timeframe. He was also a Hart finalist 3 years ago. Mika's game and production has also been very good in this black hole of offense that you portray. Trocheck had his second best offensive season in his career. Kreider scored 88 goals the last 2 years. How do you explain that?

 

[Megustaelhockey]

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Francis's teams never won because they couldn't score worth shit either. Even in 72 when they came close, Ratelle couldn't stay healthy.

This franchise didn't win so much as a single f***ing DIVISION between 1942 and 1990.

This isn't a new phenomenon.

 

[Machinehead]

You lost me at Panarin was not this bad until he got here. He has led the team in scoring each of the 4 years and has scored more than any Ranger in history in that timeframe. He was also a Hart finalist 3 years ago. Mika's game and production has also been very good in this black hole of offense that you portray. Trocheck had his second best offensive season in his career. Kreider scored 88 goals the last 2 years. How do you explain that?

The freelancing works against bad teams and unprepared teams. When quality teams have seven games to adjust, you get what you got against the Devils.

 

[Chytilmania]

Edge may have nailed it from the get-go. Gallant will take us to the next step but we won’t win the Cup with him. It will be the next coach.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Edge may have nailed it from the get-go. Gallant will take us to the next step but we won’t win the Cup with him. It will be the next coach.

We've been saying "it will be the next coach" for far too long.

Eventually, you run out of paper plates for this turkey sandwich.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Edge may have nailed it from the get-go. Gallant will take us to the next step but we won’t win the Cup with him. It will be the next coach.

Lol the next coach won't win a cup with us either

 

[Chytilmania]

Cmon guys I’m trying to be positive! Lol

 

[turcotte8]

Cmon guys I’m trying to be positive! Lol

You're in the wrong place

 

[qwertyaas]

Francis's teams never won because they couldn't score worth shit either. Even in 72 when they came close, Ratelle couldn't stay healthy.

This franchise didn't win so much as a single f***ing DIVISION between 1942 and 1990.

This isn't a new phenomenon.

I think the point is more the effort and compete levels we saw.

We can all say hockey players don't mail it in. However, in games 4/5/7, something was completely off with this team that everyone sees. It didn't feel as much as Devils outplayed the Rangers, as much as a combination of Rangers underplayed themselves, while Devils then outplayed them,

Losing in one thing and is perfectly normal. Only 1 team wins. But losing without leaving it all out there is a whole other discussion.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The freelancing works against bad teams and unprepared teams. When quality teams have seven games to adjust, you get what you got against the Devils.

That doesn't answer anything. The facts are those players are very productive in a system that you say is a black hole to player development and production. This same team also went to the ECF last year so they managed to win two 7 game series. The truth is they just faced a better Devils team that could potentially win the cup if things fall right. Changes need to be made but it doesn't have to be so damn catastrophic every time they lose a playoff series.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Can't get over Zibanejad not shooting the puck on that 2 on 1 ten seconds into the game.

You have Schmid who is probably nervous coming off a game where he got yanked after giving up 5, a young Devils team that was amped to the gills ready to go. If you score that early into the game they would've 100% gotten very discombobulated and scrambley right away and the whole complexion of the game is different.

Your best shooter coming down on a 2 on 1 ten seconds in to the game and he doesn't shoot it and he just waits and waits and waits and doesn't even have a pass. I love Mika but holy shit if that play wasn't indicative about everything wrong with the forwards on this team. Terrific chance to big dog the game literally right away but just throws it away (doesn't even force the goalie to make a save!) because he was trying to be too cute. Look for the pass and if it's not there you rip it. Don't just wait and wait and wait until you have no play to make.

 

[Machinehead]

That doesn't answer anything. The facts are those players are very productive in a system that you say is a black hole to player development and production. This same team also went to the ECF last year so they managed to win two 7 game series. The truth is they just faced a better Devils team that could potentially win the cup if things fall right. Changes need to be made but it doesn't have to be so damn catastrophic every time they lose a playoff series.

I didn't say that nobody is good at scoring.

I said you're either good at scoring and suck at everything else/freelance too much, or you're a solid 5v5 player who can't score. It's always one or the other on this team.

I don't think it's "catastrophic" in the sense that it can't be fixed, but it's very embarrassing that an NHL team with the resources we have is this bad at even strength offense.

 

[Machinehead]

Can't get over Zibanejad not shooting the puck on that 2 on 1 ten seconds into the game.

You have Schmid who is probably nervous coming off a game where he got yanked after giving up 5, a young Devils team that was amped to the gills ready to go. If you score that early into the game they would've 100% gotten very discombobulated and scrambley right away and the whole complexion of the game is different.

Your best shooter coming down on a 2 on 1 ten seconds in to the game and he doesn't shoot it and he just waits and waits and waits and doesn't even have a pass. I love Mika but holy shit if that play wasn't indicative about everything wrong with the forwards on this team. Terrific chance to big dog the game literally right away but just throws it away (doesn't even force the goalie to make a save!) because he was trying to be too cute. Look for the pass and if it's not there you rip it. Don't just wait and wait and wait until you have no play to make.

He also didn't pass it, that's the thing that gets me. Everyone on this team thinks the game a snail's pace when they have the puck. It's not a few guys. It's everyone. Something is wrong with the team.

 

[will1066]

That doesn't answer anything. The facts are those players are very productive in a system that you say is a black hole to player development and production. This same team also went to the ECF last year so they managed to win two 7 game series. The truth is they just faced a better Devils team that could potentially win the cup if things fall right. Changes need to be made but it doesn't have to be so damn catastrophic every time they lose a playoff series.

It is catastrophic if you consider that the team regressed by two playoff rounds. Now of course you're saying the Devils could win the Cup because it is just a coping mechanism.