Post-Game Talk: Devil VII

[will1066]

Speed can be improved too, if the team would focus on developing players. Maybe they have a limitation on their body, that maxes out their speed with their current technique. Then you improve the technique.

Rangers are one of the richest organizations in the sport. There's no excuse why they can't take advantage of this. They can't cheat the salary cap, but they can hire tons of people to work with what they have. And if it's not happening right now, change those people. Pretty sure that's what @Machinehead has been screaming about as well.

This is so true. They have access to everything, from technology to people. You need to tap into resources. These kids today get to crowdsource their training and development on their own time from online resources when they're not practicing at their academies or with their paid tutors.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The Devils had almost a perfect rebuild and yes, they had a ton of luck. I don't think you can necessarily mirror that.

There are teams out there with aging cores and vets in the lineup who have their shit together a lot more than we do.

Dallas developed Robertson and Hintz despite having "no room" while keeping their vets together. Boston basically torched the roster around Bergeron and Marchand if you compare today's team to the team ten years ago and they never even took a step back. Edmonton got it right an eternity into their rebuild.

I can see the argument that maybe we should have been more patient back in 2019 but this is what we have now and I don't think we necessarily need to hit the nuclear codes yet.

I agree. If Kakko and Laf progressed half as well as Hughes and Hischier, this isn't a conversation, we likely beat Tampa last year and definitely win this series.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I agree. If Kakko and Laf progressed half as well as Hughes and Hischier, this isn't a conversation, we likely beat Tampa last year and definitely win this series.

They don't have the skating or personalities for that

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

The Devils had almost a perfect rebuild and yes, they had a ton of luck. I don't think you can necessarily mirror that.

There are teams out there with aging cores and vets in the lineup who have their shit together a lot more than we do.

Dallas developed Robertson and Hintz despite having "no room" while keeping their vets together. Boston basically torched the roster around Bergeron and Marchand if you compare today's team to the team ten years ago and they never even took a step back. Edmonton got it right an eternity into their rebuild.

I can see the argument that maybe we should have been more patient back in 2019 but this is what we have now and I don't think we necessarily need to hit the nuclear codes yet.

Edmonton didn't get anything right, honestly. When the league keeps giving you #1 overall picks, you're bound to get a McDavid.

 

[Gardner McKay]

They don't have the skating or personalities for that

Personalities? That is absurd.

 

[Machinehead]

I've mentioned this before, but I would also really like to see us play heavier.

Not even hitting, I don't give a f*** about throwing bumps after the puck is gone.

I'm talking about cycling and possession. We're really big and we have guys who are really good at cycling. We have no gameplan on how to convert it into offense or how to adapt our skill and turn cycling into chances. That's not rocket science.

Get a speedster or two who can get the puck and start the thing reliably, and get Panarin and Zibanejad passing and shooting off of good, long possessions.

 

[mas0764]

Panarin is going nowhere and Trouba is going nowhere, it is what it is. Anyone pushing that all summer is wasting breath. The new coach needs to get them to commit to a system and not rely on Kreider/Mika/Fox/Panarin/Trouba to do everything. If they can empower Chytil/Kakko/Lafreniere/Miller to actually have significant roles on this team, like other teams have done with their homegrown players, all will improve.

Someone that we've been told isn't going anywhere is gonna go. It won't just be Gallant. They have to move out salary so they can actually implement the changes necessary to tweak the roster when they bring in a new coach with a new system. He will need guys to do things his way.

Hopefully they aren't stupid enough to move a kid.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I agree. If Kakko and Laf progressed half as well as Hughes and Hischier, this isn't a conversation, we likely beat Tampa last year and definitely win this series.

Something's rotten with the system. To the core.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Panarin is going nowhere and Trouba is going nowhere, it is what it is. Anyone pushing that all summer is wasting breath. The new coach needs to get them to commit to a system and not rely on Kreider/Mika/Fox/Panarin/Trouba to do everything. If they can empower Chytil/Kakko/Lafreniere/Miller to actually have significant roles on this team, like other teams have done with their homegrown players, all will improve.

It's wishful thinking anyone is taking Panarin or Trouba. I think there's probably a slightly higher chance with Panarin given he's a 90 pt guy, but even there, the chance is small. Rangers are stuck with both. No one is volunteering to take $8M Jacob Trouba off our hands lol

 

[McRanger92]

Someone that we've been told isn't going anywhere is gonna go. It won't just be Gallant. They have to move out salary so they can actually implement the changes necessary to tweak the roster when they bring in a new coach with a new system. He will need guys to do things his way.

Hopefully they aren't stupid enough to move a kid.

Goodrow will be the veteran gone. Panarin and Trouba wont waive and no one is trading significant assets for either guy at this stage anyway.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

This should be mandatory viewing every time our season ends.

 

[mas0764]

Goodrow will be the veteran gone.

I don't think that's enough.

Panarin and Trouba wont waive and no one is trading significant assets for either guy at this stage anyway.

That is not necessarily true. Especially not in the case of guys who have expiring NMCs in just one more year.

Again, pick where you want to go right now, or be traded to any one of 16 teams not on your NTC? You could end up in a pretty undesirable situation having 16 teams that you can't rule out. Why not pick which of those 16 teams you'd prefer right now?

 

[rangersfansince08]

I love Sheterkin but if we traded him what could we reasonably get?

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

I've heard from multiple people that the rangers have a terrible skills development coach. Makes no sense.

It seems crazy, but it makes sense when you realize that building a great team from within is not what they do.

They don't need to worry about that. They make $$$ regardless. They bring in some outsider & puff him up in the media & broadcast and most of the fans buy in.

It sucks.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think that's enough.



That is not necessarily true. Especially not in the case of guys who have expiring NMCs in just one more year.

Again, pick where you want to go right now, or be traded to any one of 16 teams not on your NTC? You could end up in a pretty undesirable situation having 16 teams that you can't rule out. Why not pick which of those 16 teams you'd prefer right now?

I get what you're saying but there is more that goes into what you're saying than just having a chat lol. Id like to see Trouba in a system where the forwards arent flying the neutral zone while the defenseman get swarmed before we trade him. It will be easier to do next offseason anyway and Schneider isnt ready to replace his minutes. Get 8 off PP2 though my goodness, Gallant should be fired for sticking with that all year despite it being a major issue in last years playoffs.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

There is so much to fix here that I have to decide if hockey is going to be something I care about for the next several years.

Me gusta el hockey but not to the point of insanity. I'm with you. I like to watch the games, but the belief in the team is not what it was.

 

[Filip Chytil]

This should be mandatory viewing every time our season ends.

 

[Doctyl]

I love Sheterkin but if we traded him what could we reasonably get?

Not much. Goalies have no value.

 

[AK 27]

My thoughts on this team / series:

1) I think Gallant lost the group. He also made minimal changes to counter what Ruff was doing. To have your team not even show up to a Game 7 is a deal-breaker for me. I don't care if you aren't as fast as the other team - the effort was truly unacceptable. I think this guy needs to go.

2) The Rangers aren't built for the playoffs. They're all skill and no grind. That works in the regular season but it does not work in the playoffs. You need guys to go into the corners and fight for the puck. All the Rangers have are guys WAITING to be fed the puck. No bueno. Maybe they should have gone after a JT Miller instead of a Kane or Tarasenko. They miss players like Jesper Fast who did all the work for the scorers.

3) This Schmid guy was not amazing! Was he 'solid'? Yes. Did he do his job? Yes. Did he make many difficult saves? NO! Igor had to stand on his head every game and Schmid gets all the accolades. I get that his team won but do not tell me that he was the difference-maker. The Devils kept the Rangers to the outside and the Rangers obliged them by taking useless shots from far away. Zero dirty goals.

4) Panarin is a useless playoff performer. I know - let me tell you something you don't already know, right? But it's almost unfathomable! How does a guy with this much talent just disappear in the playoffs?! The answer is that he needs beef on his line to cause some interference and to get him the puck. When he tries to be the guy, he fails. He gets knocked off the puck too easily and makes too many desperation passes that do not work. That's what happens when nothing is clicking. You press, you lose your game and then you become a detriment to the team. I'm not saying the guy doesn't have the potential for a good playoff run but he sure has sucked these last 2 years.

5) How much time are we supposed to give the young guns?

Lafreniere - when he has the puck there is zero fear in the other team that he's capable of doing something productive. When Hughes gets the puck? The exact opposite. I haven't seen anything from Lafreniere that's redeemable. What's his skill? Is he fast? No. Does he have a good shot? No. Does he make amazing passes? No. Is he a great 2-way player? No. What the hell did they see in this guy?! What skill stood out?! Get rid of him while he has some trade value left.

Kakko - he misses the net a lot but at least I can see some progress with his puck possession. I feel like he's getting stronger. I'd give him more time,

Chytil - he's confusing. He was absolutely missing in action in the playoffs and that surprised me. He obviously took a huge step during the regular season but what did that translate to? Yet another weak on his skates player who can't take a hit. He's expendable.

Miller - I don't get this guy at all. H's not a small guy and yet he plays like one! Can he throw a hit?! Can he concentrate on his defense? Will he get better? I have no idea. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on him because I do see an upside but he's very frustrating. He can be electric and yet he struggles to do the small things well. Lots of mistakes.

Schneider - I have zero complaints. He hits. He has good hockey sense. He's only going to get better. Keep this kid.

6) The rest of 'em? To me, the only guys that are 'irreplaceable' are Fox and Shesterkin. I'd be willing to trade anyone else. Sad but true. As much as I like Mika, he showed you who he was. Another soft, finesse guy, And there may be a place for him on a team that gets tougher but all of these players the Rangers have who had above average seasons turned out to be useless when times got tough. Where's the killer instinct? Who has it and who doesn't? That's what Drury needs to assess.

7) Kane and Tarasenko? You can't put it on them. Anyone going on and on about how Kane sucks or Tarasenko didn't do enough is grasping at straws. These guys were meant to be complimentary assets. They were not ANSWERS. The team was the team and these guys were supposed to help. And I think they did help. A lot? No. But they can't come in and save the team. That's not who they are. I had no problem with them. Did I want more? Of course. But I think you really need to blame the core guys who didn't show up. I don't know if they're sign either one of them but it sure seemed like Tarasenko fit a lot better than Kane. I always liked Kane as a player but he may have turned that corner in his career where he just can't produce like he used to and the game itself has gotten a lot bigger and faster. Guys like Kane just look smaller and slower now.

I think that's it. I'd say that Drury has a lot of work ahead of him this offseason because this recipe simply doesn't work. And it won't all of a sudden work next year. They really need to think about the direction they want to go in now because they've seen that this direction is a dead end. They need grit, plain and simple. I'd give up 20 goals and 20 assists from a guy like Panarin to get a hard-nosed 60 point guy. But that's me and I'm just a guy on his couch.

Thanks for listening.

 

[Machinehead]

Replace Ed Kranepool with Chris Kreider and this hits so hard.

 

[McRanger92]

Seravalli and Dreger openly speculating Q to the Rangers while Uncle Fester is still on life support lol

 

[NikC]

this loss is not sitting well with me...

 

[Filip Chytil]

Seravalli and Dreger openly speculating Q to the Rangers while Uncle Fester is still on life support lol

And then they'll sign Toews and bring Kane back and see if the nursing home lets Keith out for a season

 

[McRanger92]

I've mentioned this before, but I would also really like to see us play heavier.

Not even hitting, I don't give a f*** about throwing bumps after the puck is gone.

I'm talking about cycling and possession. We're really big and we have guys who are really good at cycling. We have no gameplan on how to convert it into offense or how to adapt our skill and turn cycling into chances. That's not rocket science.

Get a speedster or two who can get the puck and start the thing reliably, and get Panarin and Zibanejad passing and shooting off of good, long possessions.

How close is Sykora? Seems to fit the mold of a speedy support player. They need more than just him obviously

 

[Leonardo87]

As this thread starts to turn into another roster builder thread just want to make one more point about the game last night…

Not scoring on those PP’s was the nail in the coffin. Score on one of those, it’s a different game, maybe we are discussing next round instead of blowing up the team.