Post-Game Talk: Devil V

[bleedblue94]

I can't believe I am saying this but this team is missing a Tortorella-type coach that will kick them in the ass and would never let what transpired tonight happen.

Mike Babcock is going to be rehired in the NHL at some point. Would be a typical nyr type move...

 

[will1066]

The third goal just completely summed up panarin for me at this point with the turnover, the sort of effort to kind of look like he was trying to maybe back check, The reach from 20 feet away to try to block the passing lane prior to the goal being scored, and then the complete indifference. I am so sick of this guy, BUT I am beyond concerned that we have the nyr country club 2.0 starting it's remodel. Things all year around this org have seemed off and complacent. people joke about the trouba helmet toss but Igor basically skated down the bench in the 2nd during a TV timeout yelling at his guys. It's comical how complacent most of them are becoming. It's a cancer...

Pretty bad how the Panarin Window looks like it's closing very quickly. While I think Fox really did give him a hot potato, there were other things that stick in my mind. A couple of times he had the room to go forehand with the pass but elected to do weak backhand saucers hoping to catch the other guy off guard. He plays the game like some choreographed dance. Then just refusing to leave the wall when Tarasenko literally stared at him with the puck on his stick looking to give him a royal road pass across the crease. His finesse-based game sadly has become antiquated.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

So many issues to complain about with this team right now, but I am just blown away by what has become of KAM the last couple months. Looks like a shell of what he’s shown himself to be for a couple years on a mostly upward trajectory. Stumbling, bumbling, out of position, 0 confidence. Really puzzling.

Ever since the suspension.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Ever since the suspension.

I actually was not impressed with his defensive game last season. Big guy but relies too heavily on the poke check.

 

[hacksaw7]

Not early on.

Even then, the other competition (WCW) were heavily mimicking WWF at that point.

You also had sprinkles of dark shit before the Attitude Era.

Piper's Pit
The Snake Pit

Hell, a lot of Jake's promos would be considered edgy today.

Or how about a cobra at a wedding? Cobra gnawing on an arm?

Also Jake slapping Liz

I mean for that era, that was absolutely incomprehensible. You didn't put your hands on Elizabeth. Jake slapping her brough real, vicious heat towards him

 

[will1066]

Not early on.

Even then, the other competition (WCW) were heavily mimicking WWF at that point.

You also had sprinkles of dark shit before the Attitude Era.

Piper's Pit
The Snake Pit

Hell, a lot of Jake's promos would be considered edgy today.

Or how about a cobra at a wedding? Cobra gnawing on an arm?

That cobra took its time with Savage's arm lol

McMahon was fortunate that a lot of those guys had creative visions for themselves. Piper was never going to be tamed with a cartoon gimmick and neither was Jake Roberts. But credit him for not being in their way. For me, it got to the point that I followed NWA/WCW more because it was less gimmicky.

After WCW poached most of WWF's 80s core, McMahon was kinda lost. Then it was the miracle that was Shawn Michaels' self destruction that led to DX with HHH that led to the Atitude Era.

 

[mike14]

So many issues to complain about with this team right now, but I am just blown away by what has become of KAM the last couple months. Looks like a shell of what he’s shown himself to be for a couple years on a mostly upward trajectory. Stumbling, bumbling, out of position, 0 confidence. Really puzzling.

he's still very much at the "athlete who chose hockey" stage rather than the "hockey player who is athletic" stage.
The good news is that if he's this good while still raw there should be a load of improvement to come, but you do have to question whether he will be able to fully realise that potential (can his in-game IQ catch up to his physical skills), and whether the Rangers and him have the patience for it to happen here

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not gonna say this is over. Aside from Mikkola and Vesey (and the guys who've won it all) they all came back from 3-2 down twice last year. I thought the same thing about the 2-0 lead, but maybe this time they'll follow through.

If they don't, I want them to find an identity over the summer. Be fast, be skilled, or be tough, and bring in coaches to get the players on that path.

Yeah, they really don't seem to have a cohesive path or direction out there. Everyone doing their own thing.

I don't think it's a desire thing. There just isn't any "you have to do this" so it's just everyone doing what they feel in the moment. That's why they look so disjointed.

 

[Off Sides]

The third goal just completely summed up panarin for me at this point with the turnover, the sort of effort to kind of look like he was trying to maybe back check, The reach from 20 feet away to try to block the passing lane prior to the goal being scored, and then the complete indifference. I am so sick of this guy, BUT I am beyond concerned that we have the nyr country club 2.0 starting it's remodel. Things all year around this org have seemed off and complacent. people joke about the trouba helmet toss but Igor basically skated down the bench in the 2nd during a TV timeout yelling at his guys. It's comical how complacent most of them are becoming. It's a cancer...

Just to add on, Kane last game, Rangers just tied it up, they are still putting on decent pressure. He goes down the RW boards near the Devils blue line and I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but he did not put the puck deep. Turnover, the Devils go the other way and start to pressure the Rangers. It was a nothing play mostly, yet that is the type of play that drives me crazy, like read the situation...

Why the Rangers decided to, in my opinion, pander to that type of game, drives me crazy. Have a Gaborik or whatever when the rest of the team plays one way and he is the skilled scorer who with room, the rest of the team creates for him and he might come though, okay maybe, yet doubling up on that player to me seems more than redundant, it seems dumb.

I do have to grudgingly give the Devils some credit though. they have a team speed and skill identity, they are not the toughest team yet they are playing to what they have.

 

[will1066]

Yeah, they really don't seem to have a cohesive path or direction out there. Everyone doing their own thing.

I don't think it's a desire thing. There just isn't any "you have to do this" so it's just everyone doing what they feel in the moment. That's why they look so disjointed.

I really feel Quinn wanted total control and got tuned out while Gallant has been willing to let go of controlling the offense strategy thinking that those guys with such offensive talent will work themselves out if he preached the defensive end.

That 80 foot cross ice pass attempt that Fox made on the PP to Panarin, I firmly believe is Panarin's years of influence on the team.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

That cobra took its time with Savage's arm lol

McMahon was fortunate that a lot of those guys had creative visions for themselves. Piper was never going to be tamed with a cartoon gimmick and neither was Jake Roberts. But credit him for not being in their way. For me, it got to the point that I followed NWA/WCW more because it was less gimmicky.

After WCW poached most of WWF's 80s core, McMahon was kinda lost. Then it was the miracle that was Shawn Michaels' self destruction that led to DX with HHH that led to the Atitude Era.

NWA/WCW definitely was less gimmicky. It also had better wrestling. But early '90s WCW was more brutal than mid-90s WWF (The Ding-Dongs, Oz, Robocop saving Sting). Even Hulk in WCW in the beginning was becoming more cartoony than WWF at that point(Dungeon of Doom).

Actually, most everyone believes the "curtain call" was the genesis of the Attitude era. It didn't happen overnight. It perculated.

No curtain call, Hunter isn't in the dog house and he becomes the next King of the Ring. Who was pegged next to win it?

 

[Machinehead]

I really feel Quinn wanted total control and got tuned out while Gallant has been willing to let go of controlling the offense strategy thinking that those guys with such offensive talent will work themselves out if he preached the defensive end.

That 80 foot cross ice pass attempt that Fox made on the PP to Panarin, I firmly believe is Panarin's years of influence on the team.

Quinn was also very things and stuff.

"You guys need to execute!"

"What are we executing again?"

"I don't know just do it HARD!!"

I like that Gallant has improved our defensive game but it's way too laxed on the other end. Panarin does his thing and there's nobody to pass to because nobody else is doing that. Same thing for Kakko when he cycles for an hour. Nothing opens up because nobody is playing off of the work he's doing.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Mike Babcock is going to be rehired in the NHL at some point. Would be a typical nyr type move...

I’d hire him just to watch him f*** with all the softies on this team lol

 

[will1066]

Just to add on, Kane last game, Rangers just tied it up, they are still putting on decent pressure. He goes down the RW boards near the Devils blue line and I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but he did not put the puck deep. Turnover, the Devils go the other way and start to pressure the Rangers. It was a nothing play mostly, yet that is the type of play that drives me crazy, like read the situation...

Why the Rangers decided to, in my opinion, pander to that type of game, drives me crazy. Have a Gaborik or whatever when the rest of the team plays one way and he is the skilled scorer who with room, the rest of the team creates for him and he might come though, okay maybe, yet doubling up on that player to me seems more than redundant, it seems dumb.

I do have to grudgingly give the Devils some credit though. they have a team speed and skill identity, they are not the toughest team yet they are playing to what they have.

NJ is crazy fast and skilled. Overwhelming against a slow team like us. Kane practically forced his way here. And him and Tarasenko were brought here to pump up Panarin, which has backfired. Basically Drury saying I'm giving you this, now let's see you carry us

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I just want this series to be over now.

This is literally torture and it’s making me eat and drink way too much.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Couldn’t watch due to a work thing, unfortunate to see the Rangers suck again

 

[Kravtsov420]

This extends to the poor integration of the kids. They did try and the kids didn't look ready but they were too impatient by the lack of immediate results that they just decided to go with a two tales assemblage of a roster. There always seems a tangible dividing line separating the core from the rest of the group, things like accountability, ice time.

bingooooo

the girl scouts club with panarin zibby and kreider

the coaches perpetuated it too by catering to the veterans and letting the inmates run the asylum.

if it was really about accountability it would have applied to the vets too.

 

[will1066]

NWA/WCW definitely was less gimmicky. It also had better wrestling. But early '90s WCW was more brutal than mid-90s WWF (The Ding-Dongs, Oz, Robocop saving Sting). Even Hulk in WCW in the beginning was becoming more cartoony than WWF at that point(Dungeon of Doom).

Actually, most everyone believes the "curtain call" was the genesis of the Attitude era. It didn't happen overnight. It perculated.

No curtain call, Hunter isn't in the dog house and he becomes the next King of the Ring. Who was pegged next to win it?

PTSD there. Robocop almost couldn't get the jail cell door open. Don't forget Glacier (ripping off Mortal Kombat) and Disco Inferno. Pretty bad gimmicks.

DX resulted from Hunter not getting the push. At that time he was pretty disgruntled, along with Michaels. So they were genuinely pushing as far as they can being risque like they had nothing to lose.

Late 80s NWA was the best. The series of War Games matches. Great American Bash. That was the pinnacle. Monday Night wars were pretty good too.

 

[TheTakedown]

Fire Gallant. This presser says it all.

You’re happy with this effort? I’ll pay for your Uber to EWR or LGA. Your choice as a parting gift.

Agreed. If any coach is happy with. 20-2 SOG 3rd period after blowing a 2-0 series lead....

Jesus f***ing Christ you need mental rehabilitation

Get the f*** out Gallant

 

[TheTakedown]

If they lose on Saturday you gotta think Gallant gets the axe for this. Not because they lost, but because it would be 3 home losses with the 3rd being an elimination game.

And the game 4 showing in and of itself is a fireable offense, tbh

If that's the case, I'm almost rooting for a loss... I know the rangers went on 2 win streaks, but I was done with this f***ing asshole after the 7 game losing streak that he led us to... Asshat of a coach, completely outmatched, sits there with his smug face trying to blame the refs for every call...

Meanwhile this was shockingly the most well-officiated game in all of the ploffs so far...

Get rid of this asshat. He doesn't deserve this job. Tell him to donate his pay to charity too

 

[savebyrichter94]

PTSD there. Robocop almost couldn't get the jail cell door open. Don't forget Glacier (ripping off Mortal Kombat) and Disco Inferno. Pretty bad gimmicks.

The Maestro, The Shockmaster, The Demon all come to mind too and then of course there was this



Also hated how lots of their wrestlers music was just reworked versions of popular songs lol

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, they really don't seem to have a cohesive path or direction out there. Everyone doing their own thing.

I don't think it's a desire thing. There just isn't any "you have to do this" so it's just everyone doing what they feel in the moment. That's why they look so disjointed.

It's funny, during that losing streak, everyone said the same shit about gallant... his 2nd and 3rd year at every team he's been on has been completely lackluster And he has absolutely no structure. I can't find the tweet, but a podcaster called him out on it back in November... And it's so god damn true. Guy is an absolute farce

 

[ReddestRum]

We are going to be the laughing stock of the boards, LOL.

 

[Nickmo82]

So.... this is going well. Gotta love playoff hockey!

 

[gravey9]

I couldn’t stomach the game at 2-0 let alone where it was headed.

We can point at team makeup.

We can point at play style and tactics.

Both have plenty of things you could choose from.

But there’s been an issue with this team all year round. The lows have been too low. The lack of push back in this series to even come close to testing the Devils once they started pushing back. The lack of response when Igor got run over a few times.

I dunno. Something hasn’t entirely felt right multiple times throughout the season. There’s something going on beneath the hood that’s made this year not so great and wildly inconsistent. Is it team chemistry? Is it lack of leadership? Is it a rift between players and coach? Coach and management? Management and players? Ownership? I dunno.

I do think that the deadline moves were a microcosm of the season. I was very vocal about not thinking the Kane thing was going to happen. And I was and still am shocked that we brought him in given the mix we had. But my own theory on roster makeup aside, what didn’t make sense to me about the Kane deal was that it just didn’t feel like the same GM that prioritized Copp, Vatrano and Motte at the last deadline. The same GM that has gone out of his way to draft Othmann, Berard, Sykora, Barbashev and on and on. And the same Coach who refused to play Zach Jones. Or the same management that kept burying Bobby Trivigno down the depth chart in HFD. It didn’t line up then and it doesn’t line up now.

Whether Drury took a 180 or Dolan stepped in is moot at this point, but what isn’t moot is that there’s no way this was Gallant’s ideal team makeup for the playoffs. There is no way he was satisfied with these moves. The moves did not match the playing style Gallant prefers. Unlike last seasons deadline moves. Whatever the cause is moot. What’s clear is an organization that is not all on the same page. And a giant misfit between team personnel and coach.

Regardless of what happens the rest of this series, I don’t think this team has the makeup to go on a serious run. We are a paper tiger.

But regardless, I question the direction of the franchise:

The deadline moves - mostly the Kane move - felt unserious to me then, and even more unserious now. We built a team for preseason not post. And if I was seriously bummed out then, I’m even more bummed out now. I can’t stomach this team. I can’t believe they went and screwed up this season for f###ing jersey sales.

Either Drury truly doesn’t know what he’s doing as a hockey man, or he doesn’t know how to manage James Dolan.

Neither make me excited to see what fixes are in store…