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savebyrichter94 said:
He does himself no favors when he talks all this shit and then doesn’t back it up, if he’s so pissed off and embarrassed then show it on the ice but he never seems to outside of trying to look tough when cellying

Don’t hate me lol
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He was completely invisible. This should have been a statement game and he should have been a wrecking ball out there tonight.
 
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mike14 said:
I'm a huge CK fan, but I think we're stretching 'big goal' in this instance. I mean it's great that he's scoring, because we are obviously not doing enough of it. But him scoring in game 3 to win us the game is 'bigger' than scoring late when we're down 4-0 in an elimination game.

I guess it doesn't really matter, and as you say he's not responsible and more than anyone else, but he's also not the solution over the last 3 games
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I was gonna turn this around and say a stat like that would be more valued if it was a player the board likes, but you guys don't like anybody.
 
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Machinehead said:
Idk, most of the cores that failed and then eventually won didn't change the core. They augmented it.

At the very least, and for the sake of realism under the cap, you try the coach and then see what you have.
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With a flat cap I don't see a way forward with that strategy. Cuylle may be the only ELC forward ready to take a shift next season. He alone isn't bringing a culture change. A new coach alone isn't bringing a culture change.

For the sake of this thought exercise let's say Gallant gets canned and the Rangers bring in a relatively green, though analytically savvy coach with a good understanding of basic strategy. That's a unicorn in today's landscape. As you've mentioned before, 25 of the 32 NHL coaches are basically the same dude. You have the Cooper's, the Keefe's, the Montgomery's, the Brind'Amours, and the Trotz's doing their thing and being successful at it that at least bring something different to the table than the other same, tired, 25 voices that get on and off the carousels every 3 or 4 years.

Who do you bring in to succeed Gallant to get the most out of a core of players that's essentially going to get swept two years in a row?

I've got nothing.
 
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mike14 said:
Of course you can, but then good teams will also adjust, and as per the 'finished above us' part the Devils are a pretty good team (as much as it hurts this board to admit it).
Just like throughout the season where we had leads against them, or were competing well and then they got away from us, they happen to be a tricky match up and one we never really found an ongoing answer to.
That doesn't mean we should just drop 3 games with barely a whimper, but there has to be some nuance and understanding about expectations while also remembering that "the enemy gets a vote"
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The biggest issue was the first 2 games. The Rangers can beat them. But they lack of any tinkering on the last 3 games is mind boggling.

It's not even changing strategies. They couldn't accept a pass tonight. Awful shot selection. No puck support. They were two steps behind at all times.
 
Chaels Arms said:
One of the great Rangers mysteries going forward will be was Lafreniere always going to bust or did we destroy him?
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IMO, 80% column A, 20% column B. It was evident his rookie year he didn't have any "plus" attributes that would make him a 1st liner in this league, never mind a star. Shocking the comparison of how he looked at the WJC a year prior compared to him stepping onto NHL ice.

The best thing that could have happened to him honestly was for the full 2020-2021 NHL season to be cancelled to force him to play a year in Germany or Sweden. May have learned the paces of a man's game better there before coming here.
 
I Eat Crow said:
With a flat cap I don't see a way forward with that strategy. Cuylle may be the only ELC forward ready to take a shift next season. He alone isn't bringing a culture change. A new coach alone isn't bringing a culture change.

For the sake of this thought exercise let's say Gallant gets canned and the Rangers bring in a relatively green, though analytically savvy coach with a good understanding of basic strategy. That's a unicorn in today's landscape. As you've mentioned before, 25 of the 32 NHL coaches are basically the same dude. You have the Cooper's, the Keefe's, the Montgomery's, the Brind'Amours, and the Trotz's doing their thing and being successful at it that at least bring something different to the table than the other same, tired, 25 voices that get on and off the carousels every 3 or 4 years.

Who do you bring in to succeed Gallant to get the most out of a core of players that's essentially going to get swept two years in a row?

I've got nothing.
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With the cap, there's not much that ambitious we can do. Nobody can take Panarin even if we ultimately decided on that.

Maybe all the planning is for naught. The league might collapse and change dramatically after another work stoppage at this rate.
 
If it's bad enough that Gorton designed the build around players who are passive skill and no grit, they are one dimensional skill players with niche specialties.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
IMO, 80% column A, 20% column B. It was evident his rookie year he didn't have any "plus" attributes that would make him a 1st liner in this league, never mind a star. Shocking the comparison of how he looked at the WJC a year prior compared to him stepping onto NHL ice.

The best thing that could have happened to him honestly was for the full 2020-2021 NHL season to be cancelled to force him to play a year in Germany or Sweden. May have learned the paces of a man's game better there before coming here.
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I'm unironically latching onto the deck hockey theory.

It's absolutely massive in Quebec. No skates, round ball, no blue line.

Lafreniere can't skate, can't control a flat puck, and goes offside every other shift.
 
mike14 said:
Of course you can, but then good teams will also adjust, and as per the 'finished above us' part the Devils are a pretty good team (as much as it hurts this board to admit it).
Just like throughout the season where we had leads against them, or were competing well and then they got away from us, they happen to be a tricky match up and one we never really found an ongoing answer to.
That doesn't mean we should just drop 3 games with barely a whimper, but there has to be some nuance and understanding about expectations while also remembering that "the enemy gets a vote"
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That would be understandable if the Devils were an experienced veteran team, and they had 10+ points on the Rangers.

By that very same logic, Rangers should have smoked Tampa Bay last season.

For crying out loud, the Islanders spanked our asses in '94. You know what happened in that post-season?

Some excuses are without merit. Every other team claws and battles through but we just bend over and hand the other team both the gloves and lube.
 
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Machinehead said:
You still have to seize opportunity. He's one of the more clutch scorers of his generation. I don't think that's unfair.

He's still literally goal per game in this series. We scored two goals in three games. He has a point on both of them. Feels like blind rage.
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While I am guilty of partaking in some Kreider bashing tonight, he is far from the biggest issue on this team. Overall, he is closer to the solution than the problem. But his streakiness and his decreased physicality over the past few years will always be a lightning rod. He's a great clutch player, but as another poster said, it's also because every Kreider based team ends up in multiple elimination games every playoff.

The guy sat at the podium and cried after Game 6 to the Lightning. You'd think he'd be out there steamrolling people left and right and firing pucks from all over the ice with that in mind.

But if this ends after Game 6, he and Mika have done enough over their Rangers playoff tenure to get a mulligan for this one. I think almost all of the heat, and deservedly so, should fall on Panarin. And he certainly doesn't seem like someone who deals with criticism well. Hopefully it will be enough for him to waive his NMC.
 
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Machinehead said:
You still have to seize opportunity. He's one of the more clutch scorers of his generation. I don't think that's unfair.

He's still literally goal per game in this series. We scored two goals in three games. He has a point on both of them. Feels like blind rage.
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I will always appreciate Kreider, even if I'm calling him a bitch.
His optics problem is that he pretty much came into the league at (what we thought was) his peak. The speed + size were there, but the skill/results didn't improve over time.
Then he evolved his game, and became a better player, but leaves me questioning where the og Chris went. He's still big and strong in front of the net. But where's the speed and aggression? I can't remember the last time he threw a big hit.

I want the best of both worlds.
 
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