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theVladiator
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I think we'll just have to see when we get there.
Indeed, as long as we are talking about 23/24 season. Thinking longer term, in my opinion the move was prompted by realization that we won't be able to keep Hronek long term, so the downgrade was essentially forced by circumstances. On the other hand, the Wings have improved their record in 23/24 despite this downgrade, so the loss was not at all irreplaceable. Hronek was replaced by a committee, as is often the case.
Me neither, it's hindsight rationalization. Like I said, SY did reasonably well with the trade given the circumstances, but it's the DRW amateur scouting that made a big difference here. And, of course, whoever hired them should get a fair bit of credit. So, maybe not in a way that 3D chess rationale goes, but SY deserves a lot of credit here.
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Abso-fukking-lutely not.
Then it had better change. In no universe is it acceptable to not expect meaningful results only when a near-decade has passed.
What’s even more bothersome is that there are still far too many fans who are perfectly fine with that sort of timeline based on nothing but his last name.
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Don't worry it's gonna be in another 2-3 years at the end of next season ! (I feel stuck in a loop)
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Weird loop considering they have gotten significantly better year-over-year, with this season being nothing short of an amazing turnaround since the coaching change... oh, and the emergence of the kids.
Wings rookies combine are top 4 or 5 in the entire NHL in scoring among rookies this season. (they are achieving this with mostly dmen rookies, and the emergence of Kasper). This stat would have gone up if Mazur didn't get injured in his first NHL shift)
Not to mention a majority of their acclaimed prospects are still developing and looking like game breaking studs in the making (ASP especially).
But let's be uniformed and clueless and call it a "loop".
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Seems extremely simplified and easily proven incorrect.
First off; not every trade needs someone to "declare victory". Vancouver fans seem happy with Hronek, most Wings fans are excited about ASP.
Second; most trades of these nature take time to be fully evaluated.
Bottom line was they didn't trade Hronek to replace him with ASP, they traded him because they didn't think he was a core piece they wanted to build around, and knew he was going to be asking for a 8 year deal at a high cap hit.
I'm sorry that's ridiculous. I know you're czech-centric, but there's a lot more to the rebuilding timeline than 2nd pair RHD.
Even as an attempt to be funny how does that picture make any sense? You can argue that what they're building sucks and has no potential for success, but you can't really argue that they're not trying to build something.
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Czechboy
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I'm not unfamiliar at all. I kept being told by wings fans here that asp is the Hronek replacement. First time I heard it I didn't know who asp was and thought he was some 23 year old swede playing in the NHL. Had to look him up and see he's not even in North America and yet I am year two of this argument.
I don't think that makes any sense. Now posters are telling me he isnt the Hronek replacement and that was my whole point.lol. so we actually agree.
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I was replying to the poster .. maybe read their comment before cherry picking mine. Given there are no Czechs that are part of this rebuild.. I have no idea why you mention me being Czech centric. I absolutely am but I don't bring it up here at all.
In this case I was told that Stevie Y will get serious once asp, cossa and Augustibe arrive! Well that's not this season or next season. Unless you think 2 rookie goalies and a rookie d are carrying to glory next year.
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ONE of Cossa/Augustine. Which makes a lot of sense, goalie is one of the team's biggest weaknesses. Cossa might be ready for NHL time next season. ASP will get NHL games next season, possibly even this season.
I don't share that posters thoughts on everything but I don't know how you're getting 2028 from saying they're waiting for 2 more prospects.
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They are only 2 points out. If they go streaking they could win the second wildcard. Todd McLellan teams are incredibly streaky
(Since there are no pics, insert Will Ferrell "We're going streaking" pic from Old School")
(Since there are no pics, insert Will Ferrell "We're going streaking" pic from Old School")
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Not many Wings fans miss Hronek. Even if they didn't have ASP or anything. I'd say the most needed thing is getting Seider a partner that is not Ben Chiarot. Ed-Aljo rookie pairing has been pretty good. Then they just need a third pairing that doesn't just absolute tank the team as badly as Gustafsson-Holl can.
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Yup. A partner is very important for elite D to shine. Makar got Toews and took off. Hughes got Hronek and it’s a Norris and insane puck possession. Not too sure if Seider is more that Toews, Hronek complimentary guy to a star? Wings should try and get Dahlin. Then Seider could be that anchor for Dahlin.
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When do you think Asp and one of Cossa/Augustine will be difference makers in the NHL? Big difference between playing in NHL and being established as a difference maker and leading your team on Cup runs. Eg. Seider, Larkin and Raymond have become difference makers in the NHL.
Maybe Asp comes in like Makar and maybe one of those 2 goalies come in hot like Wolf... not a bet I'd want to make for 2025/2026 though. Best case next year IMO is they have good rookie seasons and Kasper takes a step. But sophomore slumps can suck too! Big difference between being a great prospect and being a great NHL player.
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There was no need for an immediate Hronek replacement. The rest of the team wasn't ready. And it made no sense to pay a guy $7M+ to not be able to carry his own pairing.
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You're the 4th poster to tell me calling Asp a Hronek replacement is stupid. I totally agree! That's my point.lol
I think you guys all think I'm saying 'should've kept Hronek'. I'm thrilled he's gone and love that trade. I took excpetion with Asp is a Hronek replacement. He's not. He won't be anytime soon.
I don't think they drafted him to be a hronek replacement. They don't want to replace hronek. They would have just kept hronek instead of replacing him. They wanted more bang for the buck than hronek was worth and ASP fell in their lap.
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I think the hang up here may be that Wings fans view ASP as the heir apparent to the 2RD slot which was occupied by Hronek. That has been magnified by the pick garnered in said Hronek trade became ASP. From your side, you have suggested Petry was the ACTUAL replacement, given he occupied that spot in the lineup the following season. I don't either position is incorrect per say, inherently most Wings fans are conditioned at this point to view things from a long term, futures, point of view.
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Detroit falls into the trap of... so is everyone else.Weird loop considering they have gotten significantly better year-over-year, with this season being nothing short of an amazing turnaround since the coaching change... oh, and the emergence of the kids.
Wings rookies combine are top 4 or 5 in the entire NHL in scoring among rookies this season. (they are achieving this with mostly dmen rookies, and the emergence of Kasper). This stat would have gone up if Mazur didn't get injured in his first NHL shift)
Not to mention a majority of their acclaimed prospects are still developing and looking like game breaking studs in the making (ASP especially).
But let's be uniformed and clueless and call it a "loop".
Tampa's core is in the 28-31 year old range right now, it'll be a few years before they really start to not be a playoff team (unless they soft retool and figure out a quick bounce back). They are quite a bit better than Detroit and will be for a few more years.
Toronto's core is in the 26-28 year old range. They aren't falling too far anytime soon (we all hope it blows up though). They are quite a bit better than Detroit and will be for a while.
Florida's core is in the 26-28 year old range too. They are well positioned to keep their place for a long time, they have a lot of young players too. Detroit ain't catching up to them, few teams will.
Ottawa's core is 22-27, they are (unfortunately :p) a playoff team right now. I'm not a believer in them but right now they are a couple steps ahead of Detroit with a big advantage on them in regards to cap space and roster flexibility (though I have no hope of that market making with it what they need to in order to be successful).
Montreal's is 20-25. They are currently ahead of Detroit in the standings, they have more reinforcements on the way than Detroit has and, like Detroit, are developing young players in the NHL (especially in their d).
Not to mention the Metro. NJD, NYR, and Carolina all look to be set up for the foreseeable future which means Detroit has to jump ahead of teams like Washington and Columbus for the wildcard, both of which are building their own young cores with considerable replacements on the way (Hutson and Leonard for Washington, Lindstrom for Columbus).
The question becomes, how much more do they have in them to leap especially when the teams around them are improving and getting better themselves or are already at a contender/ near contender level?
I don't doubt Detroit can be better but do they have the centre depth, do they have the drive for the next level? I don't think they do.
Seems like a loop to me.
Why on God's green earth are you okay with accepting mediocrity into infinity? You're saying you're fine with the Red Wings being another middle-of-the-road, having to scrap for the last Wild Card playoff spot kind of team until 2028?
Attitudes like this are great for business - no pressure, accept the gruel, no urgency, blindly trust the Yzerplan, and give it an endless runway.
I'd bet anything that yours is the attitude of (thankfully a shrinking group) of fans who are fine with this because the guy running the show is your boyhood idol and you consider even so much as beginning to slightly question him as unspeakable blasphemy in the form of pledging your soul to Claude Lemieux and that your Red Wings fan card would be immediately revoked.
Stevie Y was my childhood hero too - the first time I saw him skating by in person against the glass during pre-game warmups in 1999, it was as if Jesus traded in his sandals for skates. Literally starstruck. My favorite player of all time. Seeing videos of him raising the Cup all three times, especially in 1997, is still goosebumps-inducing.
But I can separate his playing career from his executive career.
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