Detroit Redwings Downfall

[TheDoldrums]

Interesting that the posts have dried up since they won again.

I very much believe in the Wings ability to make a strong push for a worse draft pick while once again missing the playoffs.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I very much believe in the Wings ability to make a strong push for a worse draft pick while once again missing the playoffs.

Sure that might happen. If they miss the playoffs by 1-2 points while the young players take a big step forward again (Raymond above PPG, Seider improving, Edvinsson with a full season as a top pairing D, Berggren returning to form, etc.) then that's still a net positive for the rebuild.

Once again, what's left to fix is the piss poor pro scouting.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Interesting that the posts have dried up since they won again.

Not much to say. They're just screwing themselves out of finally getting an elite forward talent in an already lost season.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Not much to say. They're just screwing themselves out of finally getting an elite forward talent in an already lost season.

Right, the classic no-win situation. If they play like shit all season, the rebuild is failing and everyone is right about Yzerman's picks and players being terrible. If they turn it around, improve significantly, and make a playoff push, they are screwing themselves over. Might as well relocate the team.

 

[LarKing]

Right, the classic no-win situation. If they play like shit all season, the rebuild is failing and everyone is right about Yzerman's picks and players being terrible. If they turn it around, improve significantly, and make a playoff push, they are screwing themselves over. Might as well relocate the team.

The classic moving goals posts. An HF staple.

 

[thefutures]

Where are the usual suspects to bump the thread "randomly"

 

[Dotter]

Not much to say. They're just screwing themselves out of finally getting an elite forward talent in an already lost season.

"Yzerman sux cuz he didn't make the playoffs in 6 years st8t!!!!!!111"
"Yzerman sux cuz he tryin' to make a playoff push while only 4 points back!!!!!111"

Your agenda is loud and clear, hoss.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

"Yzerman sux cuz he didn't make the playoffs in 6 years st8t!!!!!!111"
"Yzerman sux cuz he tryin' to make a playoff push while only 4 points back!!!!!111"

Your agenda is loud and clear, hoss.

Have no agenda at all, just observing the cult of SY worship. I even said before that at this point the failed season is a blessing in disguise.

 

[ShakenNotStirred]

Might as well relocate the team.

Isn't that what the pens did? Threaten to leave and then miraculously draft a complete HOF first line in subsequent years. It's too bad Detroit couldn't do that

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Right, the classic no-win situation. If they play like shit all season, the rebuild is failing and everyone is right about Yzerman's picks and players being terrible. If they turn it around, improve significantly, and make a playoff push, they are screwing themselves over. Might as well relocate the team.

If the goal is to finally make the playoffs after 10 years then great, hope you all are happy. If it's to build an elite team that can win a cup, it's a missed opportunity.

 

[tabness]

Right, the classic no-win situation. If they play like shit all season, the rebuild is failing and everyone is right about Yzerman's picks and players being terrible. If they turn it around, improve significantly, and make a playoff push, they are screwing themselves over. Might as well relocate the team.

That's only a solution for low end franchises like Pittsburgh lol, we got an original six team going with an almost 100 year history and we rode out the Dead Wings era which was longer and worse than this lol

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

That's only a solution for low end franchises like Pittsburgh lol, we got an original six team going with an almost 100 year history and we rode out the Dead Wings era which was longer and worse than this lol

Thread has nothing to do with Pittsburgh, speaks volumes as to how defensive you all are. But Pittsburgh was the most successful franchise of the era, they're doing fine.

 

[Dotter]

If the goal is to finally make the playoffs after 10 years then great, hope you all are happy. If it's to build an elite team that can win a cup, it's a missed opportunity.

Haters: "you MUST have x,y,z formula to compete for the cup!"

Reasonable poster: "But team X won a cup with an a,b,c formula"

Haters: "THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!11, only MY cherry picked formula examples count!"

Gotta love HFboards. This thread is awesome!

 

[tabness]

Thread has nothing to do with Pittsburgh, speaks volumes as to how defensive you all are. But Pittsburgh was the most successful franchise of the era, they're doing fine.

brother what says it all is that unlike you posting a bunch in a topic about the Wings I don't even care enough to analyze whatever is going on in Pittsburgh lol

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

brother what says it all is that unlike you posting a bunch in a topic about the Wings I don't even care enough to analyze whatever is going on in Pittsburgh lol

Good for you? I post about all teams. Back on topic then, the downfall.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Not much to say. They're just screwing themselves out of finally getting an elite forward talent in an already lost season.

The moment you start moving goalposts in this way you lose all credibility.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

The moment you start moving goalposts in this way you lose all credibility.

Except pre Lalonde firing i literally said this unintentional tank was probably for the best. The same major issue with the rebuild still remains even if they go on a little run here - no elite forward talent to build around. Guys like Kane getting hot after a coaching change doesn't change anything about the future construction of the team.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Except pre Lalonde firing i literally said this unintentional tank was probably for the best. The same major issue with the rebuild still remains even if they go on a little run here - no elite forward talent to build around. Guys like Kane getting hot after a coaching change doesn't change anything about the future construction of the team.

Yeah you also harped on their current position in the standings as a major negative. Arguing both sides, aka moving goalposts.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Yeah you also harped on their current position in the standings as a major negative. Arguing both sides, aka moving goalposts.

Because both can be true. Their position in the standings is because Yzerman has done a poor job. But since they're bad anyway, the best thing that could have happened was to finally land a Misa/Hagens type. A coaching change led short term run does nothing for their future. Are we supposed to clap since he got some of the overpaid bums going for a few games?

 

[Ulysses31]

love the title of this thread, 9th seed in the east last year has "downfall"

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Interesting that the posts have dried up since they won again.

The hive mind is too busy with Drury and Trotz, they've moved on :-(

 

[Pavels Dog]

Because both can be true. Their position in the standings is because Yzerman has done a poor job. But since they're bad anyway, the best thing that could have happened was to finally land a Misa/Hagens type.

If you believe you are smart/correct, and you believe the best thing for the team is to be bad and draft high, why are you also assuming Steve Yzerman doesn’t realize another high pick could be a good thing and the roster not being great is only by accident?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Because both can be true. Their position in the standings is because Yzerman has done a poor job. But since they're bad anyway, the best thing that could have happened was to finally land a Misa/Hagens type. A coaching change led short term run does nothing for their future. Are we supposed to clap since he got some of the overpaid bums going for a few games?

Hey Gary,

It's me again...We're gonna threaten to relocate again if you don't promise us several more free handouts...

Think about it...

Love Mario...

 

[ricky0034]

If you believe you are smart/correct, and you believe the best thing for the team is to be bad and draft high, why are you also assuming Steve Yzerman doesn’t realize another high pick could be a good thing and the roster not being great is only by accident?

didn't Yzerman literally say in his press conference recently that a wild card spot was the intended goal for this year?

I guess he could have been lying about that and that's just another part of his genius plan

 

[newfy]

Ya because you reset the timelines like I already pointed out.
Which other teams in the league say there rebuild timelines start over, when hiring a new GM. I can’t think of any teams.

Are you talking about fans? Because no one on this board knows what ownership/management groups say about that. Yzerman could have literally talked with the Illitch family and said Holland has left me a mess, I'm going to have to start from scratch, start the rebuild over again and you or I would literally have no clue about what was said . They could have said, Hey Kenny has us in a bad spot we need to you to come home and restart this rebuild lol... convenient to make stuff up though to help make your point.

I also don't think anyone would claim Detroit hasn't been rebuilding since 2017. I think what most wings fans are saying, they don't care about Detroit "rebuilding" since 2017 because they aren't going to judge Yzerman off of what Holland did, which is completely fair and he's going to get his own fair amount of time to rebuild the team

Not that teams don't f*** it up, but hitting at the very top of the draft is like the bare minimum of what should be expected.

31 picks across those three drafts, 11 of which were in the first 2 rounds, and while there’s still promising prospects to come so far they’ve got three NHLers out of it.

All depends on how you want to phrase things. You can also say in those three first drafts by Yzerman, he's already got 3 guys who are 1st line/pairing talents and look like they could be multi time All-stars and long time stars in the league. To go along with what is considered one of the best prospect pools in the league as well?

Its probably more indicative of what he's done so far than just saying hes only gotten 3 NHLers so far but both are true.