The Gr8 Dane
L'harceleur
Habs started later and are further along in the rebuild yup hate to see it , godspeed lads
The Yzerman Derangement Syndrome is on full display here.
Rangers thread, 20+ pages.
Sabres (who are doing way worse with more talent) only has 20+ pages.
This thread is at 70+ pages and the other one almost went 100.
And with some of the takes in this thread, alot of you should probably have jobs in the NHL if you know right now that every pick Yzerman has made wont amount to anything without them even playing in the NHL yet. And while the signings havent been ideal, they were never meant to make them Cup contenders while theyre here. Guys like Copp, Compher, Chiarot, Holl, etc werent signed to make them contenders, theyre placeholders until the prospects that he is letting develop in the AHL or overseas are ready for the show.
I've said this year could actually help long term. It happened in Tampa where they randomly had that year they drafted Drouin, who got turned into Sergachev. There's a strong top 5 in this years draft, grab a high end forward and the rebuild looks much betterIt will suck in the short term but you guys need at least 1 more lottery pick and a new face behind the bench
So yeah you have absolutely nothing to offer yet from that nothing just out of nowhere is going to come out Detroits version of Barkov/Kucherov/Matthews
Damm that’s a great plan! Please don’t ever change
Do you realize that you might as well trade Larkin then? You have absolutely no anwers to simple question and Larkin is already 28y. If your plan is just waiting for a miracle Larkin will be past his prime so might as well trade him
This is too sane for this thread. But its correct. The pro scouting in Detroit has been bad, the UFAs they've brought in have somehow all shit the bed this year, when they weren't even great before this. They also have one of the best prospect pools in the league and a lot of help on them way.I feel like both sides can be correct at the same time.
It's true that Detroit has generally done a good job drafting in the past five years and has very interesting pieces coming up.
But it can also be true that their current situation has been poorly utilized by Yzerman, which overrelies on a ton of unproven assets to correct what seems to be a fairly significant gap.
At some point Yzerman will have to make good moves to surround the good first round drafting, but so far it really hasn't happened, and it's not for lack of spending money.
Wings fans don’t think that.The difference is Rangers fans and Sabres fans know where their teams are at. They aren't in abject delusion like Wings fans are so they don't keep trying to debate that "everything's great"
He has top 20 defensive metrics in the NHL with by far the hardest deployment in the league. Thats a top pairing D.He’s very good yes. Not sure he’s really a top D on a contending team yet.
Many people have been saying this for multiple years, met with refutations of "mid-tier UFAs signed to middle dollar, middle term contracts had nothing to do with pushing Detroit to the middle tier, Larkin/Seider/Raymond are too good and make the team tank-proof, tanking would be bad because it would mean a losing culture for the kids".I've said this year could actually help long term.
Adding a Misa/Martone/Hagens this year would help a lot with seeing that though
Yet here is your team, rebuilding without ever actually rebuilding. You have two good young players
You're very confused. I haven't mentioned either name since the season began. I'm very much on record as saying Hronek is getting paid very well to be on a playoff team and I'm glad he's gone. I also don't think Detroit made mistakes with Zadina. He was clearly a bust. I blame him and not Detroit. Sucks as I was positive he'd be a 40 goal scorer. No shortages of me admitting I was wrong about him (or Kaut, Zboril, Hajek).Of all the people that live in this thread just to try to dunk on Detroit, I think my favorite is Czech guy who is just pissy that we traded Hronek and Zadina was a bust. The peak of petty.
I tried mentioning this to several posters acting like the entire fanbase is saying these things when it's really 1-3 posters they're arguing with. But I think being able to think our entire fanbase is delusional based off one post someone reads is just too fun of an opportunity to pass up for many in this threadWings fans don’t think that.
Browse on the Wings board for one minute and you’ll see how we really feel.
FTR.. I totally agree with you. I'm here for the apologists that have wandered to the mains. I'm positive they do not represent the average Wing's fans.I tried mentioning this to several posters acting like the entire fanbase is saying these things when it's really 1-3 posters they're arguing with. But I think being able to think our entire fanbase is delusional based off one post someone reads is just too fun of an opportunity to pass up for many in this thread
I've said this year could actually help long term. It happened in Tampa where they randomly had that year they drafted Drouin, who got turned into Sergachev. There's a strong top 5 in this years draft, grab a high end forward and the rebuild looks much better
The first and second overall pick from that list have a combined 19 seasons played with one cup between them and 2 long playoff runs total between them. The late round pick made by Yzerman is the one adding cups, not sure that's the dunk you think it is.
This is too sane for this thread. But its correct. The pro scouting in Detroit has been bad, the UFAs they've brought in have somehow all shit the bed this year, when they weren't even great before this. They also have one of the best prospect pools in the league and a lot of help on them way.
You add those prospects, and a UFA or 2 that actually pulls their weight in the next couple years, its easy to see how Detroit could be competitive. Adding a Misa/Martone/Hagens this year would help a lot with seeing that though
This is satire right, you can’t be serious, SY doesn’t want his team to improve, year over year. Funny.what many cant grasp concerning yzermans ufa signings is that yzerman did not want to create a middle of the standings roster to just get into playoffs at the cost of moving away from a shot at a high pick ! quit saying yzermans pro scouting sux , because i guarantee STEVE **** YZERMAN has been in the nhl 40 years and knew the talent level of every ufa he signed ! how dense can you be !!!!!!!!! his pro scout do not decide yzermans signings , he does . do you actually think yzerman thought chariot/hol/copp/etc were going to seriously improve red wings ???? he absolutely did not think that and i guarantee he knows the talent level of nhlers better than anybody on this board ! he did not want to wast future long term cap on better ufa to just get in only to get crushed and draft back in the pack , hes purposely feathered the gas peddle by signing iffy ufa to keep getting chances at drafting better players as its THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP DEPTH CHART ! but keep getting high on yourself by thinking you know more about nhl than yzerman , your just making fools of yourselves
and keep ignoring :
SEIDER
RAYMOND
EDVINSSON
three pix yzerman absolutely hammered to create an elite new red wing core
One of the most delusional takes I have seen, and that is saying a lot. If SY KNEW he was signing trash so he could maintain a higher draft status, why not sign cheaper trash and weaponize the cap space? Changing the narrative to fit the results is what this smacks of. Just like saying tanking for a high draft pick instead of making the playoffs this year was ALWAYS the plan. Yeesh,what many cant grasp concerning yzermans ufa signings is that yzerman did not want to create a middle of the standings roster to just get into playoffs at the cost of moving away from a shot at a high pick ! quit saying yzermans pro scouting sux , because i guarantee STEVE **** YZERMAN has been in the nhl 40 years and knew the talent level of every ufa he signed ! how dense can you be !!!!!!!!! his pro scout do not decide yzermans signings , he does . do you actually think yzerman thought chariot/hol/copp/etc were going to seriously improve red wings ???? he absolutely did not think that and i guarantee he knows the talent level of nhlers better than anybody on this board ! he did not want to wast future long term cap on better ufa to just get in only to get crushed and draft back in the pack , hes purposely feathered the gas peddle by signing iffy ufa to keep getting chances at drafting better players as its THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP DEPTH CHART ! but keep getting high on yourself by thinking you know more about nhl than yzerman , your just making fools of yourselves
and keep ignoring :
SEIDER
RAYMOND
EDVINSSON
three pix yzerman absolutely hammered to create an elite new red wing core
This guy makes me realize how heaven's gate was possible.what many cant grasp concerning yzermans ufa signings is that yzerman did not want to create a middle of the standings roster to just get into playoffs at the cost of moving away from a shot at a high pick ! quit saying yzermans pro scouting sux , because i guarantee STEVE **** YZERMAN has been in the nhl 40 years and knew the talent level of every ufa he signed ! how dense can you be !!!!!!!!! his pro scout do not decide yzermans signings , he does . do you actually think yzerman thought chariot/hol/copp/etc were going to seriously improve red wings ???? he absolutely did not think that and i guarantee he knows the talent level of nhlers better than anybody on this board ! he did not want to wast future long term cap on better ufa to just get in only to get crushed and draft back in the pack , hes purposely feathered the gas peddle by signing iffy ufa to keep getting chances at drafting better players as its THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP DEPTH CHART ! but keep getting high on yourself by thinking you know more about nhl than yzerman , your just making fools of yourselves
and keep ignoring :
SEIDER
RAYMOND
EDVINSSON
three pix yzerman absolutely hammered to create an elite new red wing core
Imagine going online to comment on a team you are not even a fan of and trying to dump on their fanbase being part of your daily routine. I definitely don't have enough time in my life to obsess over another teams fans nor do I even remotely care that much about any other team
Okay so teams like Washington, Vegas, Carolina, Jets, Stars and Kings have no hope, right?To me every team needs a player to build around, otherwise you are really setting a limit on your ceiling
Florida, Barkov- Tkachuk/Reinhart
Toronto, Matthews- Marner
Tampa, Point- Kucherov
Boston, Bergeron- Marchand/Pasta
Just the most dominant teams from the Atlantic the last 10 seasons
But sure I’m speaking nonsense by questioning Detroits ceiling
If we had a top 20D in the NHL to go with another top pair D, we wouldn’t be looking at the bottom of the standings right now.He has top 20 defensive metrics in the NHL with by far the hardest deployment in the league. Thats a top pairing D.
I didn't say hes a top 20D, he doesn't have the offense (yet) for that. He is absolutely a top 20 defensive D in the NHL, the numbers do not lie.If we had a top 20D in the NHL to go with another top pair D, we wouldn’t be looking at the bottom of the standings right now.
He’ll get there I’m sure, but I don’t think he’s there yet. And being a top 5 D in the entire NHL is some serious homers by that poster
Okay so teams like Washington, Vegas, Carolina, Jets, Stars and Kings have no hope, right?
Never mind that one of the teams you just mentioned has never made it past the 2nd round, and one has one cup 14 years ago
I don't get it. You didn't answer the question at all, and just went back to calling Detroit shit.Those 4 teams have dominated the Atlantic the last 10 years& have Detroits number
But keep living in your fantasy land and watch Detroit go nowhere. Better for the rest of the teams, atleast 1 team you don’t have to take seriously
So yeah you have absolutely nothing to offer yet from that nothing just out of nowhere is going to come out Detroits version of Barkov/Kucherov/Matthews
Damm that’s a great plan! Please don’t ever change
Do you realize that you might as well trade Larkin then? You have absolutely no anwers to simple question and Larkin is already 28y. If your plan is just waiting for a miracle Larkin will be past his prime so might as well trade him