Detroit Redwings Downfall

[le_sean]

No garunteed way to get 1st overall smart guy

You don’t get 1st, you still get top 5. Which is why we have the likes of Demidov coming whereas you try-hards have MBN as the saviour

 

[Shaman464]

Who out of edvinsson seider or Raymond is not good? Is Kasper not good either? The vets all suck but you guys love beating a dead horse

Kasper isn’t good for how high he was drafted. Hes got middling 2nd line center ceiling and more realistically a third line center.

 

[BB88]

Saying they have 0 franchise game changing forwards coming is as foolish as saying they have 3 future Norris winners. Just impossible to know that right now

Yeah no, this is the problem with too many Detroit fans

There’s zero legit evidence to put franchise forward expectations for someone but hey miracles happen!!

When the plan is build around that you can probably say it’s not on safe ground

 

[thefutures]

You don’t get 1st, you still get top 5. Which is why we have the likes of Demidov coming whereas you try-hards have MBN as the saviour

You also traded a 1st for dach who looks pretty good. That was smart too I'm guessing. Also that newhook trade looks to be paying dividends as well speeding up your rebuild

Yeah no, this is the problem with too many Detroit fans

There’s zero legit evidence to put franchise forward expectations for someone but hey miracles happen!!

When the plan is build around that you can probably say it’s not on safe ground

It's a problem to suggest we wait and see how they play before we determine their ceilings and impact? I thought it was reasonable..

 

[le_sean]

You also traded a 1st for dach who looks pretty good. That was smart too I'm guessing. Also that newhook trade looks to be paying dividends as well speeding up your rebuild

I mean as bad as he is, he’s still better than Kasper.

Those were also extra 1sts. We didn’t use our actual 1sts for drafting 3Cs like Kasper and Rasmussen

 

[thefutures]

Kasper isn’t good for how high he was drafted. Hes got middling 2nd line center ceiling and more realistically a third line center.

Too early to say

I mean as bad as he is, he’s still better than Kasper.

Those were also extra 1sts. We didn’t use our actual 1sts for drafting 3Cs like Kasper

Dach is a cap dump. Worst player in the league this year

 

[BB88]

You also traded a 1st for dach who looks pretty good. That was smart too I'm guessing. Also that newhook trade looks to be paying dividends as well speeding up your rebuild


It's a problem to suggest we wait and see how they play before we determine their ceilings and impact? I thought it was reasonable..

Tell me a legit prospect with that potential?

To compete with Barkov- Tkachuk, Matthews- Marner, Point- Kucherov cores just from the Atlantic?

The reasonable plan where you must wait 7-8 years before you can say anything about a prospect is pathetic, doomed to fail

But hey all the better to the rest of the East, Gm Y keep building like this and all is well!

 

[thefutures]

Tell me a legit prospect with that potential?

To compete with Barkov- Tkachuk, Matthews- Marner, Point- Kucherov cores just from the Atlantic?

The reasonable plan where you must wait 7-8 years before you can say anything about a prospect is pathetic, doomed to fail

But hey all the better to the rest of the East, Gm Y keep building like this and all is well!

Point and kucherov eh, wonder who found those 2 gems. Also wonder what ppl were saying about them in their d+1 or d+2 seasons and if they saw this coming. I have no names to give you, yzerman only has 4 of his picks on the roster and we are judging the rebuild today

 

[le_sean]

Point and kucherov eh, wonder who found those 2 gems. Also wonder what ppl were saying about them in their d+1 or d+2 seasons and if they saw this coming. I have no names to give you, yzerman only has 4 of his picks on the roster and we are judging the rebuild today

lol lil bro thinks the GM is the one scouting prospects

 

[BB88]

Point and kucherov eh, wonder who found those 2 gems. Also wonder what ppl were saying about them in their d+1 or d+2 seasons and if they saw this coming. I have no names to give you, yzerman only has 4 of his picks on the roster and we are judging the rebuild today

So yeah you have absolutely nothing to offer yet from that nothing just out of nowhere is going to come out Detroits version of Barkov/Kucherov/Matthews

Damm that’s a great plan! Please don’t ever change

Do you realize that you might as well trade Larkin then? You have absolutely no anwers to simple question and Larkin is already 28y. If your plan is just waiting for a miracle Larkin will be past his prime so might as well trade him

 

[thefutures]

So yeah you have absolutely nothing to offer yet from that nothing just out of nowhere is going to come out Detroits version of Barkov/Kucherov/Matthews

Damm that’s a great plan! Please don’t ever change

Do you realize that you might as well trade Larkin then? You have absolutely no anwers to simple question and Larkin is already 28y. If your plan is just waiting for a miracle Larkin will be past his prime so might as well trade him

What's Danielsons ceiling? What's buchelnikovs ceiling? How about Brandsegg Nygard? Kasper? I'd love to know all about why they are not impact players like you do. I think they could make the difference that you don't. Funny how other teams get hyped about random 2nd round picks and we're here righting off 1st rounders that have trended well

 

[le_sean]

What's Danielsons ceiling? What's buchelnikovs ceiling? How about Brandsegg Nygard? Kasper? I'd love to know all about why they are not impact players like you do. I think they could make the difference that you don't. Funny how other teams get hyped about random 2nd round picks and we're here righting off 1st rounders that have trended well

Nate Danielson. Thank you. I knew I forgot one when I listed Kasper and Rasmussen as drafted 3Cs

 

[BB88]

What's Danielsons ceiling? What's buchelnikovs ceiling? How about Brandsegg Nygard? Kasper? I'd love to know all about why they are not impact players like you do. I think they could make the difference that you don't. Funny how other teams get hyped about random 2nd round picks and were here righting off 1st rounders that have trended well

We are talking franchise players, not solid players

It’s been probably too long for Detroit fans to realize how they look

& yeah just out of nowhere 2nd round picks just get pumped into being franchise forwards with no evidence of elite production!! Damm those fools

& you realize Kucherov scored 21 points in 7 games in his draft year at the u18’s and in his +2 season scored 2ppg in the Q. He had showed signs of elite skills set and didn’t just one day wake up at 25y and decide to be good at hockey

At no point in his career for example has Kasper shown franchise potential, he was always seen as safe not the highest ceiling type prospect

Kasper is on pace for 20 points in his +3 season, do you realize the miracle it takes for him to turn into 90-110 point player?

 

[thefutures]

We are talking franchise players, not solid players

It’s been probably too long for Detroit fans to realize how they look

& yeah just out of nowhere 2nd round picks just get pumped into being franchise forwards with no evidence of elite production!! Damm those fools

& you realize Kucherov scored 21 points in 7 games in his draft year at the u18’s and in his +2 season scored 2ppg in the Q. He had showed signs of elite skills set and didn’t just one day wake up at 25y and decide to be good at hockey

At no point in his career for example has Kasper shown franchise potential, he was always seen as safe not the highest ceiling type prospect

Kasper is on pace for 20 points in his +3 season, do you realize the miracle it takes for him to turn into 90-110 point player?

That's great. Tell me their ceiling, you seemed so sure of yourself.

 

[BB88]

That's great. Tell me their ceiling, you seemed so sure of yourself.

Right now certainly not franchise.

If you want to have franchise ceiling you need to show signs of that

How can you not realize they are the rarest players in the league? The best of the best. They aren’t just random dudes from the street

Just go back and look pretty much all the best young players in the league. McDavid, Barkov, Matthews, Mackinnon, Drai, Hughes etc and then compare them to Kaspers journey and stop to think for a second how lost you are

You are putting Kasper in your mind in the same group as those players I listed without ever having showed any signs for it

 

[Lampedampe]

You don’t get 1st, you still get top 5. Which is why we have the likes of Demidov coming whereas you try-hards have MBN as the saviour

How is this not straight up trolling, who ever said that MBN is our saviour?

Pretty rough if demidov is your saviour btw. Looks like both teams will be stuck in the bottom for awhile.

 

[thefutures]

Right now certainly not franchise.

If you want to have franchise ceiling you need to show signs of that

How can you not realize they are the rarest players in the league? The best of the best. They aren’t just random dudes from the street

Just go back and look pretty much all the best young players in the league. McDavid, Barkov, Matthews, Mackinnon, Drai, Hughes etc and then compare them to Kaspers journey and stop to think for a second how lost you are

You are putting Kasper in your mind in the same group as those players I listed without ever having showed any signs for it

Where did I put Kasper in that group? I simply stated we don't know the ceiling of all the prospects. A simple point that has eluded you. When kucherov was tearing up juniors you knew he was gunna be a 110 pt winger? Someone should've hired you

 

[BB88]

Where did I put Kasper in that group? I simply stated we don't know the ceiling of all the prospects. A simple point that has eluded you. When kucherov was tearing up juniors you knew he was gunna be a 110 pt winger? Someone should've hired you

I’ve been talking about Detroit lacking that franchise forward and you are pushing the agenda that they could have it in their system

& again, Kucherov had shown signs of elite skills and elite production. Something Kasper has never ever shown yet because Kucherov did it Kasper might as well? Without ever showing any signs for it unlike Kucherov

If he had Kucherovs production and history then you’d have something to hold on to, it wouldn’t be a quarantee but atleast you’d have something legit to hold on to

Yet Kucherov and they are nothing alike

Now Demidov for example is a prospect who’s shown elite skill set and elite production and high expectations can be put on him. Again not a quarantee to happen but he’s earned that right

You just give every Detroit prospect a chance of becoming a franchise prospect without ever deserving that expectation

Again your mastermind is top notch, can’t see how anything could go wrong please Y share that mindset

What happened to earning those expectations?

Everyone of Matthews, Mackinnon, Barkoc, McDavid, Hughes etc had to earn them

You are just giving them like free candy to everyone

 

[thefutures]

I’ve been talking about Detroit lacking that franchise forward and you are pushing the agenda that they could have it in their system

& again, Kucherov had shown signs of elite skills and elite production. Something Kasper has never ever shown yet because Kucherov did it Kasper might as well? Without ever showing any signs for it unlike Kucherov

If he had Kucherovs production and history then you’d have something to hold on to, it wouldn’t be a quarantee but atleast you’d have something legit to hold on to

Yet Kucherov and they are nothing alike

Now Demidov for example is a prospect who’s shown elite skill set and elite production and high expectations can be put on him. Again not a quarantee to happen but he’s earned that right

You just give every Detroit prospect a chance of becoming a franchise prospect without ever deserving that expectation

Again your mastermind is top notch, can’t see how anything could go wrong please Y share that mindset

What happened to earning those expectations?

Everyone of Matthews, Mackinnon, Barkoc, McDavid, Hughes etc had to earn them

You are just giving them like free candy to everyone

I don't give every prospect a chance at becoming a franchise player. I'm saying they are the most important part of the rebuild and I'm not writing them off because you consider them non difference makers. Did you see Tage Thompson coming? How about JT Miller or Jason Robertson or Wyatt Johnston? And how high were those guys drafted

 

[RedHawkDown]

I mean as bad as he is, he’s still better than Kasper.

Those were also extra 1sts. We didn’t use our actual 1sts for drafting 3Cs like Kasper and Rasmussen

9 pts in 33 games at 23 years old is better than 7 in 28 as a 20 yo rookie?

You also used an “actual 1st” to draft Jesperi Kotkaniemi over Brady…so

 

[RedHawkDown]

I’ve been talking about Detroit lacking that franchise forward and you are pushing the agenda that they could have it in their system

& again, Kucherov had shown signs of elite skills and elite production. Something Kasper has never ever shown yet because Kucherov did it Kasper might as well? Without ever showing any signs for it unlike Kucherov

If he had Kucherovs production and history then you’d have something to hold on to, it wouldn’t be a quarantee but atleast you’d have something legit to hold on to

Yet Kucherov and they are nothing alike

Now Demidov for example is a prospect who’s shown elite skill set and elite production and high expectations can be put on him. Again not a quarantee to happen but he’s earned that right

You just give every Detroit prospect a chance of becoming a franchise prospect without ever deserving that expectation

Again your mastermind is top notch, can’t see how anything could go wrong please Y share that mindset

What happened to earning those expectations?

Everyone of Matthews, Mackinnon, Barkoc, McDavid, Hughes etc had to earn them

You are just giving them like free candy to everyone

FYI Buchelnikov is currently outpacing Panarin at the same age and absolutely has that elite potential you describe

Doubt he reaches it but that’s one that is definitely possible

 

[Garo]

I feel like both sides can be correct at the same time.

It's true that Detroit has generally done a good job drafting in the past five years and has very interesting pieces coming up.

But it can also be true that their current situation has been poorly utilized by Yzerman, which overrelies on a ton of unproven assets to correct what seems to be a fairly significant gap.

At some point Yzerman will have to make good moves to surround the good first round drafting, but so far it really hasn't happened, and it's not for lack of spending money.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The Yzerplan is so bad it’s hilarious

Let’s expedite this rebuild by bringing in Chiarot, Petry and Holl, three of the worst defencemen in the league

Not sure you quite understand what the Yzerplan is if you think signing those guys was to expedite the rebuild.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

So they've lost two in a row to a team below them in the standings (or was)

Time to start the sell off for the season?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You don’t get 1st, you still get top 5. Which is why we have the likes of Demidov coming whereas you try-hards have MBN as the saviour

And 1st overall is no guarantee at an elite player anyways. After all, you guys ended up with Slafkovsky.