Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Fatass]

It's a poor opinion considering he's readily handling 1st pairing assignments now.

And how is the club doing? It’s relative. On good teams there are clear number one D. Teams that don’t have a number one guy will struggle because they play guys in roles they’re not able to be successful in. All teams have guys playing minutes they really aren’t able to, but when it’s a top pairing D, those clubs will struggle.,
Imo Yzerman needs to find a 1D and a 1C. Then the other guys fall into better roles. And the team does better.,

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

And how is the club doing? It’s relative. On good teams there are clear number one D. Teams that don’t have a number one guy will struggle because they play guys in roles they’re not able to be successful in. All teams have guys playing minutes they really aren’t able to, but when it’s a top pairing D, those clubs will struggle.,
Imo Yzerman needs to find a 1D and a 1C. Then the other guys fall into better roles. And the team does better.,

At some point you can accept that there can be great players on a bad team and the team will still be bad.

Citing Detroit's place in the standings as evidence that one player is in over his head just confirmed my belief that you don't actually watch. Thank you.

 

[Pavels Dog]

And how is the club doing? It’s relative.

Awful argument considering the top pair actually does their job great. Detroit just might have the league’s worst second pair.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Awful argument considering the top pair actually does their job great. Detroit just might have the league’s worst second pair.

He exposed himself as a stat watcher. Pretty dumb to do considering all you had to do was look at team stats and see Edvinsson leads the team in +/- despite being on the top pairing with the toughest assignments.

But hey, one day he may grow up and eventually be a decent 2nd pairing guy.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yup, Larkin is a tenacious two way centerman and leader at the peak of his prime. Stutzle will get there someday.

lol, you haven’t seen Stutzle this year then, backchecking presence and more physical.

Larkin isn’t definitely behind Tim this year,

 

[TKB]

It’s an opinion. Imo Edvinson will develop into a solid second pairing guy on a winning team. Guys play higher in the lineup than they should on clubs that aren’t good. That doesn’t make them that level of player. With both Seider and Edvinson (imo) they are playing roles above what they are capable of. They both still have runways of development left. And I believe they will be good. Just in the appropriate roles. Seider will be a good #2. Edvinson will grow into a good 3/4. Neither, right now should be carrying a top pairing. It’s an opinion.

I think you are severely underestimating both Seider and Edvinsson's performance.

I would bet that a significant majority of those who have watched them play or played against them with any regularity will say the same.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Detroit just might have the league’s worst second pair.

Sixth season on the job, traded away Hronek and Walman, this might be the most damning indication of Yzerman of them all, especially since it's not like they're tanking.

 

[nbwingsfan]

When Yzerman took over the team had just finished with 74 points. 5.5 years later they are on pace for 78 points, unless he has an absolute gem come in next year and they make the playoffs, that should be it for him. 7 years with little to no progress in terms of contention is not a good result, not that I care either way, but I would want him gone at that point.

Purposely left out last season where they had 91pte and missed the post season by 1pt

I wonder why?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Maybe the Yzerman draft years were just oddly weak where he was drafting? Still no star player to lead the club. No true difference maker. No number one centre to push Larkin to the 2C role, where he is best suited. No number one D. No great goalie. Lots of good younger player. But missing those special guys who make the difference. So, as you point out, not bad drafting; just weak draft classes.

Please point to me all of the teams who have a better or equal 2c than Larkin?

 

[LarKing]

It’s an opinion. Imo Edvinson will develop into a solid second pairing guy on a winning team. Guys play higher in the lineup than they should on clubs that aren’t good. That doesn’t make them that level of player. With both Seider and Edvinson (imo) they are playing roles above what they are capable of. They both still have runways of development left. And I believe they will be good. Just in the appropriate roles. Seider will be a good #2. Edvinson will grow into a good 3/4. Neither, right now should be carrying a top pairing. It’s an opinion.

It's a pretty wild take considering how well our top pairing is doing and I would expect Edvinsson to continue to improve. There's a lot of things on the Wings roster to hate, but their top pairing really isn't one of them.