Detroit Redwings Downfall

[RedHawkDown]

None of what you just said is all that impressive. You should look at what some of the other prospects picked in his range are doing. Detroit has not been drafting well in recent years. I like Moe but Rasmussen and Zadina were bad picks and Danielson and Kasper don’t look like anything special. What a mediocre rebuild Yzerman has done in Motown.

Like who? Obviously Michkov is a huge steal for Philly but what else?

Dvorsky with 2 more points in the AHL?
Leonard who is still in college?
Willander in college?
But playing decent in the khl?
Benson with 6 pts in 18 games this year?
Yager still in juniors?

Like, who? Seriously ? Y’all just talk shit without any actual basis to it beyond “Detroit sucks hehe”

 

[stl76]

Lol.

Cool story, Hansel.

I looked at his WHL (24 points in 18 games) record. He only played 2 AHL playoffs games.

Dude is an AHL rookie and has been on a roll in the AHL - and just dominated today. How many games have you watched?

Lol.

 

[eviohh26]

I've watched him play in the WHL live a few times and Danielson looks like a 2nd center imo. I could be wrong but that's what I saw in him at the time.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I looked at his WHL (24 points in 18 games) record. He only played 2 AHL playoffs games.

Dude is an AHL rookie and has been on a roll in the AHL - and just dominated today. How many games have you watched?

This is a lot of words for “I was wrong”.

 

[Dotter]

Cool story, Hansel.


Lol.

Tell me more how wonderful the great Nick Leddy is. LMAO!

Did he play 5 games yet? u just mad Yzerman FLEECED your club.

 

[Lampedampe]

None of what you just said is all that impressive. You should look at what some of the other prospects picked in his range are doing. Detroit has not been drafting well in recent years. I like Moe but Rasmussen and Zadina were bad picks and Danielson and Kasper don’t look like anything special. What a mediocre rebuild Yzerman has done in Motown.

We'll see what happens to Kasper and Danielson, Neither of us can say with any certainty how good these guys will be.

But why are you ignoring ASP and Cossa, are they not fitting the narrative?

So far, im quite pleased that Yzerman in his 3 first drafts added the following talent to the team.

Seider,
Raymond,
Edvinsson

All 3 are a pleasure to watch. Rest of the league haven't caught up to how good Edvinsson is, but they will.

I haven't looked, but from the draft classes 2019-2021 does any team have a better trio to show for, without a top-3 pick?

 

[Dotter]

I've watched him play in the WHL live a few times and Danielson looks like a 2nd center imo. I could be wrong but that's what I saw in him at the time.

And people who watched Larkin in a few games said he was gonna be a 3rd liner. Remember when "Helm with hands" was trending?

 

[Fatass]

Like who? Obviously Michkov is a huge steal for Philly but what else?

Dvorsky with 2 more points in the AHL?
Leonard who is still in college?
Willander in college?
But playing decent in the khl?
Benson with 6 pts in 18 games this year?
Yager still in juniors?

Like, who? Seriously ? Y’all just talk shit without any actual basis to it beyond “Detroit sucks hehe”

Imagine having Quinn Hughes, Hronek, and Seider on D. Hughes wasn’t an Yzerman miss but he did trade a 25 year old Hronek. The Wings would be so much better if they had those three guys on D.
Hughes - Hronek
Edvinson - Seider
best top four in the league. Imo

 

[Dotter]

Imagine having Quinn Hughes, Hronek, and Seider on D. Hughes wasn’t an Yzerman miss but he did trade a 25 year old Hronek. The Wings would be so much better if they had those three guys on D.
Hughes - Hronek
Edvinson - Seider
best top four in the league. Imo

How do you know Yzerman drafts Seider if Holland selected Hughes?

 

[Lampedampe]

Imagine having Quinn Hughes, Hronek, and Seider on D. Hughes wasn’t an Yzerman miss but he did trade a 25 year old Hronek. The Wings would be so much better if they had those three guys on D.
Hughes - Hronek
Edvinson - Seider
best top four in the league. Imo

You never know how drafts turn out after you start going back and changing players.

But, they could've iced:

Edvinsson-Seider
Walman-Hronek

I'm sure if you go around Red Wings forum around the 2021-2022 season this is probably the top-4 that alot of people projected for this season. So it was a known scenario for the top-4.

We can judge Yzerman for this in a couple years, but for whatever reason Yzerman didn't deem that defense to be a championship worthy defense. We're all hoping this is correct and ASP can come in and transform this into an elite defense for the foreseeable future.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I’ll say it again and again

Yzerman is Jim Benning with a HHOF playing career

Raymond has outscored Pettersson in 2024. He’s 22 btw.

Congrats on him beating a slumping EP

Maybe this is the year he hits PPG

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Its really hard to rebuild in this league, people who clamor for it don't understand how hard it is to get back into being a continual 'playoff team' let alone contender.

You need to draft no-doubt-about-it corner stones then hope you totally nailed atleast a few picks you made around them. Then go balls to the wall building around that group, making atleast a few A level trades, hoping signings exceed expectations, exc..

Its very difficult. As a Canucks fan I feel lucky to have gotten Hughes+Petey, Demko in the 2nd round, then getting Miller & having him so far exceed expectations is an example (+ Hronek). Its just hard.

I think for Detroit they haven't gotten the necessary corner stones (Seider is one, Raymond is fantastic but not a center, Edvinsson is a great top 4D but not #1).

And they haven't made great moves outside the drafting. Trading Hronek (though ASP looks great), + some of the big signings of mid players to significant contracts.

They just didn't grab another corner stone (ideally a C), perhaps rushed that 'bottom-out' part of the process, then signed mid free agents to significant $$$ and now find themselves stuck in the middle.

 

[Oddbob]

Tell me more how wonderful the great Nick Leddy is. LMAO!

Did he play 5 games yet? u just mad Yzerman FLEECED your club.

Fleeced how? We have Larry Keenan left from that trade, which wasn't even that long ago.

 

[Ulysses31]

Its really hard to rebuild in this league, people who clamor for it don't understand how hard it is to get back into being a continual 'playoff team' let alone contender.

You need to draft no-doubt-about-it corner stones then hope you totally nailed atleast a few picks you made around them. Then go balls to the wall building around that group, making atleast a few A level trades, hoping signings exceed expectations, exc..

Its very difficult. As a Canucks fan I feel lucky to have gotten Hughes+Petey, Demko in the 2nd round, then getting Miller & having him so far exceed expectations is an example (+ Hronek). Its just hard.

I think for Detroit they haven't gotten the necessary corner stones (Seider is one, Raymond is fantastic but not a center, Edvinsson is a great top 4D but not #1).

And they haven't made great moves outside the drafting. Trading Hronek (though ASP looks great), + some of the big signings of mid players to significant contracts.

They just didn't grab another corner stone (ideally a C), perhaps rushed that 'bottom-out' part of the process, then signed mid free agents to significant $$$ and now find themselves stuck in the middle.

i like the 1st half but you underestimate DRW pieces

 

[Pavels Dog]

None of what you just said is all that impressive. You should look at what some of the other prospects picked in his range are doing. Detroit has not been drafting well in recent years. I like Moe but Rasmussen and Zadina were bad picks and Danielson and Kasper don’t look like anything special. What a mediocre rebuild Yzerman has done in Motown.

Seider - leads all 2019 d-men in most relevant categories
Raymond - best winger of 2020, probably 2nd best player overall
Edvinsson - looks like a contender for best d-man from 2021 draft
Cossa - looks like the best goalie of the 2021 draft
Kasper - Arguably the 2nd best center of the 2022 draft right now
Danielson - heating up in the AHL, trending really well among 2023 draftees
Sandin-Pellikka - looks like the best offensive d-man of the 2023 draft
Augustine - looks like the best goalie of the 2023 draft

How have they not drafted well?

Congrats on him beating a slumping EP

Maybe this is the year he hits PPG

Raymond has also outscored Keller, Stützle, Kempe, Barkov, Necas, Kopitar, Eichel, Connor, Caufield, Ehlers, Jack Hughes, Guentzel, Larkin, Fiala, Jason Robertson, Malkin, Stamkos, Robert Thomas, etc. in 2024 but I guess they were all slumping. How lucky Raymond is that most of the league decided to slump to make him look better than he actually is!
And yes, I know a couple of those guys have a higher Pts/GP but missed games, I'm not actually saying Raymond is superior to all of those names - I'm just dismissing the notion that Detroit has no one comparable to those names.