Detroit Redwings Downfall

[thefutures]

A downfall with year over year improvement, simple methods and numbers are confusing people.. interesting.

 

[Dotter]

I just wanted to show what you said was wrong that it looked like they were going to draft 7th overall, and your team would be drafting ahead of the Sens. Nothing more to it.

If it’s so early in the season as you say, why even bring it up

I didn't create the thread. Just pointing out that all bottom 5 Atlantic Division teams are trying to outsuck each other. That includes OTT and Sabres. Sabre fans have to come to grip, but OTT fans seem in denial. It might because they can't come to terms with old man Ullmark getting such a HUGE and overpaid contract.... all while sucking.

 

[saska sault]

A downfall with year over year improvement, simple methods and numbers are confusing people.. interesting.

Pretty radical to use logical thinking around these parts.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Poll: Who has the better downfall: Taylor Hall or the Detroit Red Wings ?

taylor hall had more 1st overall picks to work with.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What Holland rebuild? He had a mandate to keep the team competitive. He did that until it was no longer possible and then traded UFAs and hoarded picks while not tying the team to any bad long term contracts.

He left Yzerman in a great position with tonnes of picks and a good, young first line center.

What exactly had Yzerman added in 6 years outside of drafting/draft picks? Debrincat?

Stevie hasn't done much to put his stamp on. The team.

A great position?

They had a 1C and nothing else of real value.

They had top prospects of…. Zadina, Veleno, Cholowski

They were also a near cap team

What the hell are you talking about? Hahah

 

[nbwingsfan]

Imo Yzerman should be after Zegras. He immediately becomes their forward with the highest ceiling.

Yes the younger player in Raymond who was drafted higher and who’s scored more is definitely a lower ceiling

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

They were getting outshot 7-2 by the Sharks tonight. Once again, not ready to play.

If Detroit loses this game and Yzerman doesn't fire Lalonde immediately, then he's not a serious GM.

 

[Dotter]

Kasper has a sick shot. Yzerman said after he drafted Marco Kasper he has untapped offensive upside.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Lol. They're about to lose to San Jose (who has 10 more shots than they do).

It would be a slap in the face to the fans if Lalonde is allowed to coach this team any longer.

 

[Zarzh]

A great position?

They had a 1C and nothing else of real value.

They had top prospects of…. Zadina, Veleno, Cholowski

They were also a near cap team

What the hell are you talking about? Hahah

They had a 1C, some young forwards, and a young top 4 defenseman instead of cope about how some prospect that isn't scoring much is going to transform into a top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman or hanging your only hopes on Augustine and Buchelnikov. Holland wasn't perfect but he did an above average job with what he had, you'd think Yzerman would have more hits by random chance than he does.

 

[Dotter]

you'd think Yzerman would have more hits by random chance than he does.

I mean he has 5 on the team right now playing...
Mazur is injured, but he is NHL ready, so that's 6 right there. Not including ASP, Cossa, Danielsson, and MBN.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Lol lost to the Sharks.

Gotta think the coach will be fired any hour now

 

[WarriorofTime]

Outshot 34-20 against the present day San Jose Sharks. Pretty lucky to escape with an OTL and take only a half loss versus a full loss. 0-2-1 on a California road trip against crummy teams and fall to 7-9-2 in the ninth season after last making the postseason. It's Year 5 of the GM/Year 3 of the Head Coach. But Kasper did score at least.

 

[Dotter]

Lol lost to the Sharks.

Gotta think the coach will be fired any hour now

Joel Quenneville might get his 2nd chance soon.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

A downfall with year over year improvement, simple methods and numbers are confusing people.. interesting.

I mean you can go by any real metric, most will say the Wings are a bottom 5-10 team.

 

[cjm502]

I mean he has 5 on the team right now playing...
Mazur is injured, but he is NHL ready, so that's 6 right there. Not including ASP, Cossa, Danielsson, and MBN.

Buchelnikov looking like an absolute friggen stud, and you have to think unless Lombardi's development completely stagnates he is going to get a chance at the NHL as well. In the next two years there should be a lot of roster turnover, and if they still suck then watching the young guns get to play will make it suck a little less for us fans.

 

[Just Linda]

And US have won how many tournaments?

Last 3 seasons + start of this one:

Jack Eichel 182 games - 77 goals - 110 assists = 187 points
+/- of +41 on a contender
11 GWG, 3 SHP, 16 PPG, 55 PPP

Dylan Larkin 236 games - 106 goals - 124 assists = 230 points
+/- of -26 on a rebuild / up to bubble team
16 GWG, 4 SHP, 42 PPG, 70 PPP

Eichel is better and playing on a better team. But to say its a massive difference at this current time, has more to do with the Eichel hype of being 2nd overall and what he was expected to do vs. what he has done and that he had a better start to his career obviously.

Put Eichel on Detroit and Larkin on Vegas in these seasons and I don't think you'd get much difference other than it being reversed, maybe Eichel will upheld his point total and Larkin do better. That is the slight difference.

Playoffs impossible to tell, waiting until Larkin is on a good enough team.

It's hard to say that Eichel is riding his second overall hype when he's regularly been a point per game player on good and bad teams, when he had 26 pts in 22 games in the playoffs as the top centre on the Stanley Cup winner, and when he's regularly among the lead leaders in defensive impact.

Points tell one story, watching them tells more of it. One is an impact top centre and has proven it, the other is Larkin.

 

[logan5]

The Red Wings organization did everything you are suppose to in order to rebuild fairly quickly. They have had a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks the last 7 drafts - 10 in the 1st round and 15 in the 2nd round. You should easily be able to build at least a strong play-off team by now with that, if not an elite team.

The obvious major failure here is drafting. It has been monumentally bad.

 

[Fatass]

It's hard to say that Eichel is riding his second overall hype when he's regularly been a point per game player on good and bad teams, when he had 26 pts in 22 games in the playoffs as the top centre on the Stanley Cup winner, and when he's regularly among the lead leaders in defensive impact.

Points tell one story, watching them tells more of it. One is an impact top centre and has proven it, the other is Larkin.

Larkin is a 1C on a weak team. Larkin would be a 2C on a team with Eichel, which is the role best suited for him. The Wings are missing a high end 1C and 1D.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

A downfall with year over year improvement, simple methods and numbers are confusing people.. interesting.

They look improved to you?

 

[Dotter]

The Red Wings organization did everything you are suppose to in order to rebuild fairly quickly. They have had a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks the last 7 drafts - 10 in the 1st round and 15 in the 2nd round. You should easily be able to build at least a strong play-off team by now with that, if not an elite team.

The obvious major failure here is drafting. It has been monumentally bad.

Go spend an hour researching, do a redraft every season from 2019-2024 and select any player that Yzerman didn't; no Seider, no Raymond, no Edvinsson and tell me how you did.

I am giving you the pleasure of hindsight 20/20 and I'll bet the farm you still come up short.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Was losing to the Sharks part of the Yzerplan?

 

[dragonballgtz]

The Red Wings organization did everything you are suppose to in order to rebuild fairly quickly. They have had a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks the last 7 drafts - 10 in the 1st round and 15 in the 2nd round. You should easily be able to build at least a strong play-off team by now with that, if not an elite team.

The obvious major failure here is drafting. It has been monumentally bad.

Bad drafting from 2015, 2016, especially 2017, and 2018 is hurting us so much right now.

 

[Ulysses31]

1 point closer to playoffs

 

[bossram]

Lol. They're about to lose to San Jose (who has 10 more shots than they do).

It would be a slap in the face to the fans if Lalonde is allowed to coach this team any longer.

It's not really Lalonde that's the problem. The team sucks. The coach is getting the output that should be reasonably expected of this roster.

At some points Wings fans are gonna have to admit Yzerman doesn't have it. I mean, it's 3 years later than anyone else with a some semblance of foresight and reason, but still.