Detroit Redwings Downfall
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dirtydanglez
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holl is a known commodity by the time yzerman signed him. but i get what you're saying.
yzerman thrived under tampas scouts but hasn't been able to build the same type of organization in detroit,
Cursed Lemon
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So the Wings were one game away from making the playoffs last year and your contention is that we should be dead last so we can play more dice-rolling games?
Fantomas
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When you draft a guy that good 58th overall and he's not your first pick, you've lucked out.
Obviously he is right but Rasmussen should game with big icons DeBrincat and Kane.
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They couldn't draft top 2 when they were the worst team in the league, so what difference does it make?
The Wings have moved backwards in the draft due to the lottery more than any other team (think it's tied with Columbus).
Larkin are strong center pick even the Detroit coach soon give Rasmussen play time within DeBrincat and Kane middle of the form slump?
WarriorofTime
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They’re saying they should have tanked the year Bedard and others were available. Two season ago. Not sure what the confusion is.
norrisnick
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The only way they could have gotten into the top three is to keep one or more of Larkin, Seider, Raymond out of the lineup. I'm not sure that's helping a rebuild. [insert people crying about Michkov being there at 7, but Yzerman wouldn't have drafted him ahead of Danielson anyway]
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The questions I have are:
Do we need another thread questioning the Wings brass on the main board?
If so, who is this question posed to? Is it posed to Wings fan in an attempt to get a genuine answer? Or is it more for the fans of the other 31 teams to echo each other and say "wow, Yzerman is an idiot, and we are geniuses!"?
Because the litany of other Wings fans in this thread have already answered every single question that's been posed.
Big reddit energy (I'm the smartest guy in the room) in this thread.
Do we need another thread questioning the Wings brass on the main board?
If so, who is this question posed to? Is it posed to Wings fan in an attempt to get a genuine answer? Or is it more for the fans of the other 31 teams to echo each other and say "wow, Yzerman is an idiot, and we are geniuses!"?
Because the litany of other Wings fans in this thread have already answered every single question that's been posed.
Big reddit energy (I'm the smartest guy in the room) in this thread.
WarriorofTime
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Raymond wasn't even that good two seasons ago. They were just a very mediocre team in all areas, but probably could have pushed down to being awful in a few more spots to pick higher, since most of that team isn't even around anymore.
Dread Clawz
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How far are you gonna get in the playoffs? Do you really think what you have in the system is gonna beat Florida, Rangers, Carolina, Jersey, etc. in a few years?
They should have stayed at the bottom longer.
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That's the key to all the success championship teams lately and historically, bottom out for as long as you can. Remind me which team did that?
Should they have kept Seider, Raymond in the minors and traded Larkin? Because the team has been laughed at outside of those guys by fans around here for the most part... the team still sucked during the Bedard draft year, there was just teams that had even less than us.. plus again... it's a lottery.
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He was their 3rd leading scorer. Seider was the 5th leading scorer. They had shit goaltending. All they had going for them was Larkin, Ray, and Mo. Rest were warm bodies carried by those three.
What does that do to Seider and Raymond? Are they players they are today if Yzerman pulled the rug out of their surprise rookie seasons and just shit on them for the last 2 years?
WarriorofTime
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He had same points and less goals than Dominik Kubalik. Larkin was what like 30-something leaguewide in points. It was just a mediocre team top to bottom. Not Herculean efforts of a couple guys plus fodder.
Oiler fan here, agreeing with this Leaf fan.
You guys are trying to do what we did. Rebuild with Kadri/Kessel/JVR Hall/RNH/Eberle
You need to build around McDavid/Draisaitl or Matthews/Marner level talent.
Look at all of the disastrously shite teams that crawled out of the basement.
It was lead by a franchise player usually top 5 in scoring, or Dmen/Goalies winning hardware:
Kucherov/Hedman/Vasi
Crosby Malkin
Ovechkin Backstrom Holtby
MacKinnon Makar
Barkov/Tkachuk
McDavid/Draisaitl
Larkin and Seider are a tier below that. You're trying to contend with Hall/Eberle/JVR/Kessel type players
The only way to land on that talent is to fluke out and draft in the top 3 in a fluke year.
Or you draft a Kucherov somehow in the latter round by complete random fluke.
Yes he retired after the caps were in the basement for a number of years, and he helped propel them to becoming a contender / cup winner.
All of those teams were basement dwellers for a prolonged period of time.
Could also throw the Blackhawks in there.
Dread Clawz
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Well, the Avs were built largely on high picks. Tampa had Stamkos and Hedman who were #1 and 2. Pittsburgh was. Chicago and L.A. were also. You can't necessarily use Vegas and Florida as a template. You aren't getting handed a contender immediately by Bettman. And you can't really think you can replicate what Florida did either. They rebooted their failed rebuild(which is a lesson in itself), but also had a #3 overall to deal In a package to get Tkachuk, and he was just coming off a 115 pt. season which made him so highly thought of. You also don't have Zito, and his pro scouting team and advisors. They picked up a #1 D off waivers, and a 40 goal scorer for 1M in free agency when anyone could have signed him. The management team made tons of cheap and extremely astute acquisitions to shape a championship team, including Bennett, Montour, Mikkola, Rodrigues, Tarasenko, Stenlund, OEL, Kulikov, Stolarz. Gudas and Duclair were also astute value signings that were part of the '23 run. Bob was also a FA signing that looked bad at first, then slowly he built back up his game and became the best playoff goalie of the last 2 years. What Florida did is extremely hard to copy and shouldn't necessarily be used as a template for success. It's much easier to build a championship spine by tanking for superstars.
It needed 5-6 trades, players like Brandsegg-Nygård and Sandin Pellikka and big-playing Lyon in the box, among other things, for our Detroit Red Wings to return to the playoffs kind 2025-26 so.
Dread Clawz
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Barkov, Huberdeau, and Ekblad endured far more crap for longer in Florida, and they all turned out fine.
Idk, seems like there are different recipes for success.
If 6 teams tank in a certain year, that doesn’t mean that in 6 years all of them become contenders. Might as well stuck with mediocrity.
Good GM+scouts+some smart strategy+trades+UFAs can make a team competitive.
+luck of course
+risking sometimes
For example, Jets now don’t have a truly elite superstar besides maybe Helle, and sit atop the rankings with a record win-lose track. Might as well compete for the Cup. Did they build the team from tanking?
If 6 teams tank in a certain year, that doesn’t mean that in 6 years all of them become contenders. Might as well stuck with mediocrity.
Good GM+scouts+some smart strategy+trades+UFAs can make a team competitive.
+luck of course
+risking sometimes
For example, Jets now don’t have a truly elite superstar besides maybe Helle, and sit atop the rankings with a record win-lose track. Might as well compete for the Cup. Did they build the team from tanking?
The reality of the draft lottery is that teams at the top of the draft have better chances of moving backward in the draft than staying put/advancing.
So Wings and Columbus probably sucked for a long time.....
Maybe Helle?
He already has 2 Vezinas and is trending this season towards his third.
Winning hardware across several seasons. He's a f***ing wall. What do you mean "Maybe" ellite?
The dude is considered the best goalie in hockey with Shesh. He's 100% elite, and is making a strong case for the HHOF.
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