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Post-Game Talk: Detroit Red Wings at New York Rangers - November 24

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Three stars vs. Detroit

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Reijo29 said:
The people constantly overdoing every Staal mistake, forget the fact that like Girardi, he’s given the Rangers everything, but maybe the handful of rocket scientists learned something constantly putting Girardi down last season. Anyone notice how well he’s played for Tampa Bay this season? All the big mouths just went into hiding regarding that.

I’ll never forget something Gretzky said when he was retiring. He was complimenting the Ranger fan saying how all you had to do was give them an honest effort and they’d back you and maybe that was the case for him but in general it turned out to be nothing further from the truth. These veterans who’ve given the Rangers year after solid year, who lose a step with age, absolutely earned nothing with too many Ranger fans and it’s a disgrace.
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While I can appreciate the sentiment here--part of the issue is neither Staal nor Girardi are worth the cap hit they are (or in Girardi's case were) getting from us. That wouldn't have mattered at all in the pre-cap era but it certainly matters now. A large chunk of change going to players you can't move and who underperform to the value of their contracts can mean the difference between having a good team and having a legitimate contender. The whole Bettman era has pretty much devolved the game into arguments about cap hits and Corsi numbers--which is great for those who love stats, graphs and numbers and not so hot for everyone else. IMO the game would have been a lot better off if Gary had decided to be an ambulance chaser instead of a corporate tool.
 
eco's bones said:
While I can appreciate the sentiment here--part of the issue is neither Staal nor Girardi are worth the cap hit they are (or in Girardi's case were) getting from us. That wouldn't have mattered at all in the pre-cap era but it certainly matters now. A large chunk of change going to players you can't move and who underperform to the value of their contracts can mean the difference between having a good team and having a legitimate contender. The whole Bettman era has pretty much devolved the game into arguments about cap hits and Corsi numbers--which is great for those who love stats, graphs and numbers and not so hot for everyone else. IMO the game would have been a lot better off if Gary had decided to be an ambulance chaser instead of a corporate tool.
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So you're anti-cap? I mean, I think the cap in part has saved the Rangers from the dark ages. And probably saved some teams from relocation.

And what does Bettman have to do with Corsi? No matter what style of play the league had there would be analytics. Analytics is part of every sport. Just as with the business world, analytics is now a reality in sports. I understand how obnoxious it can get to have to read people talk about Corsi every game when it was probably more fun before to analyze based on the eye test but this is the evolution of game and is part of a broader evolution, it has nothing to do with Bettman.
 
Reijo29 said:
The people constantly overdoing every Staal mistake, forget the fact that like Girardi, he’s given the Rangers everything, but maybe the handful of rocket scientists learned something constantly putting Girardi down last season. Anyone notice how well he’s played for Tampa Bay this season? All the big mouths just went into hiding regarding that.

I’ll never forget something Gretzky said when he was retiring. He was complimenting the Ranger fan saying how all you had to do was give them an honest effort and they’d back you and maybe that was the case for him but in general it turned out to be nothing further from the truth. These veterans who’ve given the Rangers year after solid year, who lose a step with age, absolutely earned nothing with too many Ranger fans and it’s a disgrace.
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This post coming from you is pure crap, absolute bullshit. How can you even post something like this with a straight face knowing the shit you have posted on this site about Lundqvist? Or is he exempt from your veteran rule?

Not a single player is exempt from objective criticism, no matter how long they wore the jersey or how much they have bled for the franchise. Girardi was absolute trash last season (AVs management of his ice time didnt help) and the critisism of him was justified just as the critic against Hank and his play to start the season was justified.

I sincerely hope the mods wont remove this post because shit like this needs to be called out.
 
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So let me see if I got this right. Are you indicating that the Kings demise that was apparently a 100% sure thing just 3 weeks ago according to his detractors and haters, whose names will also remain nameless tho we all know who they are, just might have been a tad premature? Wow....this is a shocking relevation.....:sarcasm:
 
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Tob said:
Seems like a friendly guy. Not sure if he has the well spokenness of a Valiquette or the charisma of a Trautwig.
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Funny, never thought I'd see the word "friendly" be inserted in the same sentence as Colton Orr....lol.

Kidding and I hear what your saying and yes he does seem a bit more friendly off the ice than he ever was on the ice.

No doubt Orr definitely has a case of the jitters tonight which is expected if this is his first time analyzing games . Not sure if it's the first time on the air tho I have never seen him before but he certainly seems like he needs some more practice time.
 
2Leetch_94 said:


Going to be hard to fill Al's shoes.
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I may have missed the news but is Al leaving his gig? Or is this just a comment that when the time comes and Al leaves it will be tough to fill his shoes which I do agree with.

Heck I remember Al and maybe some of my brothers in here who have been following the team and hockey since the early to mid 70's, I remember Al when he was the host on the USA network, who had a contract with the NHL back in the early 80's. Always knew he has a future as he was very knowledgeable and engaging. Was very happy he got the gig at MSG and so him not doing Ranger pre and post games, would be hard to get used too.

It will be the same when Sam hangs them up as well.
 
This was a weird game...on the one hand..Henrik was fantastic..on the other hand..it felt like the Rangers actually did a decent job of limiting the A++++ chances, even though there was a decent amount of traffic in front I felt like they limited Detroit to volume rather than the HD chances theyve been hemorrhaging...the end result was getting crushed in shot attempts against..on the flip side the Rangers didn't have a ton of shots for, but it felt like every shot they took was a high danger scoring chance where JH just robbed them. I felt like..and im sure i'll get killed..but that JH actually deserved the first star...Henrik had more saves, but Howards saves were way harder.
 
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Reijo29 said:
The people constantly overdoing every Staal mistake, forget the fact that like Girardi, he’s given the Rangers everything, but maybe the handful of rocket scientists learned something constantly putting Girardi down last season. Anyone notice how well he’s played for Tampa Bay this season? All the big mouths just went into hiding regarding that.

I’ll never forget something Gretzky said when he was retiring. He was complimenting the Ranger fan saying how all you had to do was give them an honest effort and they’d back you and maybe that was the case for him but in general it turned out to be nothing further from the truth. These veterans who’ve given the Rangers year after solid year, who lose a step with age, absolutely earned nothing with too many Ranger fans and it’s a disgrace.
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Cool story, so is it a disgrace how you were bagging on Hank about 20 times in the GDT thread as well? Or does it only apply to other posters that don't particularly like Staal's skillset?
 
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Inferno said:
This was a weird game...on the one hand..Henrik was fantastic..on the other hand..it felt like the Rangers actually did a decent job of limiting the A++++ chances, even though there was a decent amount of traffic in front I felt like they limited Detroit to volume rather than the HD chances theyve been hemorrhaging...the end result was getting crushed in shot attempts against..on the flip side the Rangers didn't have a ton of shots for, but it felt like every shot they took was a high danger scoring chance where JH just robbed them. I felt like..and im sure i'll get killed..but that JH actually deserved the first star...Henrik had more saves, but Howards saves were way harder.
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Kind of agree with your assessment Inferno. It did seem like Howard's shots against were way tougher than Hanks. And yes, tho I gave my 3 stars in here as Hank, Skeji and Zucc in that order, had I done this on a main board, I would have given Howard the #2 star as he certainly was as good as Hank if not better. I put Hank a tad ahead of him tho due to home town bias....lol.

But you make some good points....no doubt.
 
Carey has been good. Lots of hustle, checking, and good hands. He plays every shift like it’s his last. I think he fits in well. Happy with him on the fourth Line and Desharnais as the 13th forward.
 
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Reijo29 said:
The people constantly overdoing every Staal mistake, forget the fact that like Girardi, he’s given the Rangers everything, but maybe the handful of rocket scientists learned something constantly putting Girardi down last season. Anyone notice how well he’s played for Tampa Bay this season? All the big mouths just went into hiding regarding that.

I’ll never forget something Gretzky said when he was retiring. He was complimenting the Ranger fan saying how all you had to do was give them an honest effort and they’d back you and maybe that was the case for him but in general it turned out to be nothing further from the truth. These veterans who’ve given the Rangers year after solid year, who lose a step with age, absolutely earned nothing with too many Ranger fans and it’s a disgrace.
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When the Rangers buy Staal out after this season, and his parents hold Marc Staal night up in Thunder Bay, you sir are getting a seat of honor right between Jordan and Eric.
 
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egelband said:
Carey has been good. Lots of hustle, checking, and good hands. He plays every shift like it’s his last. I think he fits in well. Happy with him on the fourth Line and Desharnais as the 13th forward.
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Kampfer has his moments too. Some good hits; he uses his speed well. He’s just prone to mental lapses. I prefer him to Staal sometimes (ignoring that the two play different sides on defense)
 
OK fellas....let's here some thoughts on what I'm about to bring up:

We sit 12-9-2 after 23 games for 26 points. Not great but not terrible either.

We are currently 5th in the best division in hockey yet just 2 points out of the 3rd spot in the Metro

However if season ended today, we'd be the 2nd WC for the playoffs which after that 1-7 start is a pretty darn heck of a comeback for our club.

Seem as if this has been two seasons for us already and we still have 58 games to go.

Are we closer to the team that was 3-9 team that opened the season or the team that is 9-2 in the past 11 or is it somewhere in between?

For me Thanksgiving has always been the demarcation date when you can really start to see what your team is all about and where you think your strengths and weaknesses are.

My thoughts? I never thought you'd ask....lol

I think we'll end up when all is said and done the 3rd seed behind the Jackets and the Penguins. And my main reason for feeling this confident that we'll eventually end up making the dance is the fact that as I expected before the season, Hank has come into the season with a chip on his shoulder to prove to his detractors that last year's poor season was an aberration. That's the main thing.

Secondly and this is almost just as important as Hank being Hank again, the emergence of Zibanajag as a #1 top tier center has been beyond huge for us. We all were hoping this was going to happen. Gorton obviously was banking on this happening when he dealt Stepan. But until it actually happens, it's all just conjecture. Well my friends, Zibs has emerged and we now have a guy who can go against the top centers in the league and that top line of ours is as good as any other teams #1 line as well.

There are other important things as well like the improvment of Buch, Shatty QB'ng what is one of the most dangerous PP's in the league....etc. But those first two things are the biggest reasons why I think we will be playoff bound when all is said and done.

What's the thoughts from my brothers in here. I'll sit back and listen as I've said plenty....:)
 
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LeetchisGod said:
I want to see Zucc on this team for his entire career. The guy bleeds Ranger blue.
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Nope, no time for sentimentality when you are trying to build a Cup Contender. He has trade value, he's going to want a contract we won't want to give to him, he's win now, we aren't, he should be traded within the next few months.
 
Hank hasn't played this well in years. Best I remember him playing since the 2014-15 season. Can he continue it? I think this is more promising than most times the last few years when he's had good stats for a few games or weeks. He actually has been excellent, seeing the puck so well, he seems very confident, and its showing up. The team has their star goaltender back that I think they haven't had in years.

The question is whether he can continue it. If he continues to play like this, he can carry this team.
 
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