Speculation: Detroit - Buffalo?

[tsujimoto74]

... This is also not what he said.

He didn't write 7 novels about Rasmussen because he thought the Wings should give up something better along with him. Big "used car salesman" energy.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I was a little iffy on believing some random internet dude and his evaluations but since a separate random internet dude has backed him up i would be a fool not to take their word.

Basically the rules of the road around here. I have a couple people I trust around the team. These connections do exist though they talk a lot less under Yzerman than Holland. He just plays things a lot closer to the vest.

But there are a few users that have the connections nature of human beings and how we interact. My best one on Wings information I went to middle school with, but he knows a lot of the trappings all over the organization.

Petes to me clearly has those contacts, I have had separate conversations verified before, nothing on this. Yzerman’s departure in Tampa, Kane signing are examples of things that were traveling behind scenes for a while in certain circles.

This site doesn’t want you to confirm those or out them. But we have posters that have better contacts than Eklund and other sources around here. Again 80% of these fall through by nature of the industry. But we do have a lot of smoke on Buffalo and Detroit, as we have all stated it doesn’t make a bunch of sense to the fanbases. I think one of us are going to be very unhappy if this goes through, not sure who yet…

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Basically the rules of the road around here. I have a couple people I trust around the team. These connections do exist though they talk a lot less under Yzerman than Holland. He just plays things a lot closer to the vest.

But there are a few users that have the connections nature of human beings and how we interact. My best one on Wings information I went to middle school with, but he knows a lot of the trappings all over the organization.

Petes to me clearly has those contacts, I have had separate conversations verified before, nothing on this. Yzerman’s departure in Tampa, Kane signing are examples of things that were traveling behind scenes for a while in certain circles.

This site doesn’t want you to confirm those or out them. But we have posters that have better contacts than Eklund and other sources around here. Again 80% of these fall through by nature of the industry. But we do have a lot of smoke on Buffalo and Detroit, as we have all stated it doesn’t make a bunch of sense to the fanbases. I think one of us are going to be very unhappy if this goes through, not sure who yet…

Were the Kane signing and Yzerman leaving Tampa really that hard to predict ? Not sure why you’re hanging your hat on an opinion / prediction that many shared ..by those with zero connections to the team

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

He didn't write 7 novels about Rasmussen because he thought the Wings should give up something better along with him. Big "used car salesman" energy.

Literally in the main quote that everybody was drawing from on the last page he led off by saying that he merely deduced both would be included because they're players who have been heavily scouted...

 

[HisNoodliness]

Who is Petes?

Just some random HFboards poster that knows someone in Wings management and appears at random to make outlandish predictions that always come true. He posted in here that Rasmussen and Chiarot were likely being traded to Winnipeg, Buffalo or Edmonton and that they have more value around the league than they do among fans. He floated Byram as the name that the Wings were likely interested in from Buffalo. Your fellow Buffalo fans are understandably reluctant to believe some rando making outlandish predictions so I was just lending my support to the idea that he should be listened to.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Just some random HFboards poster that knows someone in Wings management and appears at random to make outlandish predictions that always come true. He posted in here that Rasmussen and Chiarot were likely being traded to Winnipeg, Buffalo or Edmonton and that they have more value around the league than they do among fans. He floated Byram as the name that the Wings were likely interested in from Buffalo. Your fellow Buffalo fans are understandably reluctant to believe some rando making outlandish predictions so I was just lending my support to the idea that he should be listened to.

Again, I have little doubt the Wings would love to trade their 3rd line winger for a top pairing D. That still isn't how trades work.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Again, I have little doubt the Wings would love to trade their 3rd line winger for a top pairing D. That still isn't how trades work.

Do continue to spin in circles even though you've been told now that this is not what he said.

 

[TKB]

Do continue to spin in circles even though you've been told now that this is not what he said.

JFC this isn like the Yzerman threads all over again....

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Well, I remember even Zito gave up 1st for Chiarot, which doesn't mean he's a good player, but maybe there's some vet leadership that our GM saw in it, considering we have the youngest team in the league.

Does Rasmussen really sucks? I mean, can he be a good third liner? Or is he an overpaid fourth liner?

Ras is... the picture of inconsistency. Sometimes he looks big, and aggressive, and physical. Sometimes he flashes a weird offensive moment or pass or shot that you didn't know he had. Other times he looks as coordinated as a baby deer and can be blown over by a strong gust of wind. He's been used effectively and not effectively as a bottom 6 center, middle 6 winger, PP, PK, etc. What he is is 6'5", isn't afraid of throwing his body around (how effective that is remains to be seen), and tries really really hard at all times. He stands up for his teammates and will defend them in a scrum.

Is he a bottom line checking center? Is he Jordan Staal? Is he a massive power forward who we screwed up his development to this point? Yes? Maybe? Who knows... whatever he is... so far... for the Wings, he's been a big, two-way, C/W who can be used adequately in all situations and good for 30pts+ a season.

Your mileage may vary on what he "actually is". /shrug

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Ras is... the picture of inconsistency. Sometimes he looks big, and aggressive, and physical. Sometimes he flashes a weird offensive moment or pass or shot that you didn't know he had. Other times he looks as coordinated as a baby deer and can be blown over by a strong gust of wind. He's been used effectively and not effectively as a bottom 6 center, middle 6 winger, PP, PK, etc. What he is is 6'5", isn't afraid of throwing his body around (how effective that is remains to be seen), and tries really really hard at all times. He stands up for his teammates and will defend them in a scrum.

When you put it like this he sounds like Anthony Mantha without the goal scoring ability...

 

[TheOctopusKid]

When you put it like this he sounds like Anthony Mantha without the goal scoring ability...

Haha, I would say that Mantha's offensive ability was incredibly obvious. Mantha's problem was that he had literally nothing in his head and literally no effort. He confused being "physical" ad "strong on the puck" with getting into unnecessary fights and breaking his hand.

Ras, gives it all he has, and knows what it means to be aggressive and physical, what remains to be seen is if he has any real consistent offensive acumen? Honestly, I don't know.

 

[Snuggs]

Again, I have little doubt the Wings would love to trade their 3rd line winger for a top pairing D. That still isn't how trades work.

Didn't Buffalo do that with Colorado though? Or are we going to pimp Mittelstadt as something more? Idk, 2nd line winger?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Haha, I would say that Mantha's offensive ability was incredibly obvious. Mantha's problem was that he had literally nothing in his head and literally no effort. He confused being "physical" ad "strong on the puck" with getting into unnecessary fights and breaking his hand.

Ras, gives it all he has, and knows what it means to be aggressive and physical, what remains to be seen is if he has any real consistent offensive acumen? Honestly, I don't know.

I mean there's always the chance a new coach brings it out of him, but I'd say at 25 years old it doesn't really remain to be seen anymore.

Ras hasn't particularly stood out offensively in any league he's played in.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Do continue to spin in circles even though you've been told now that this is not what he said.

Until someone offers an idea what the actual "main" piece Detroit would be sending if they want Byram is, the suggestion being made is clearly that the Wings think Rasmussen can be that piece (which, again, lol). This is also supported by that poster's insistence that Rasmussen is actually secretly much more valuable than any stats or watching him play ice hockey would tell you he should be. You can tell me whatever you want, but I can read with my own eyes.

Didn't Buffalo do that with Colorado though? Or are we going to pimp Mittelstadt as something more? Idk, 2nd line winger?

1. Mittelstadt is a center
2. He was in the middle of his best ever season, leading Buffalo in scoring, and playing a strong two-way game. Colorado absolutely, unequivocally understood that trade to be a trade for a young top 6 center--the 2C they'd been desperately missing. Also, worth noting that Byram was struggling to thrive in Colorado's top 4 at the time, and hadn't really looked great for them outside of his first playoff run. I'm sure they knew they were giving up a talented player with potential, but he certainly wasn't on the development trajectory they were hoping for. Now, Byram's playing well next to Dahlin in Buffalo.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Until someone offers an idea what the actual "main" piece Detroit would be sending if they want Byram is, the suggestion being made is clearly that the Wings think Rasmussen can be that piece (which, again, lol). This is also supported by that poster's insistence that Rasmussen is actually secretly much more valuable than any stats or watching him play ice hockey would tell you he should be. You can tell me whatever you want, but I can read with my own eyes.

"I can read with my own eyes". I'm sure you can... Just not very well, apparently. Because you've been told multiple times this isn't what he said yet keep claiming that it is.

And no, "Well he didn't say who would be the main piece was so he must mean Rasmussen", doesn't work, because he literally said he only deduced Rasmussen would be involved because scouts have been sniffing around him.

Which you've been told multiple times now, yet you continue to circle back to the same shit.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

This trade will be either a bunch of “meh” or it’s gonna be a shocking trade, like Edvinsson for Power or something.

 

[tsujimoto74]

"I can read with my own eyes". I'm sure you can... Just not very well, apparently. Because you've been told multiple times this isn't what he said yet keep claiming that it is.

And no, "Well he didn't say who would be the main piece was so he must mean Rasmussen", doesn't work, because he literally said he only deduced Rasmussen would be involved because scouts have been sniffing around him.

Which you've been told multiple times now, yet you continue to circle back to the same shit.

Again, you can tell me whatever you want. You're not any more correct now than you were the first 3 times you said it. Dude wrote like 5 novels in this thread trying to convince people that Rasmussen is actually more valuable than any reasonable person would think and "Byrum" is actually a depreciating asset. Those are not the posts you make if you're acknowledging that the player you're trying to trade is worth considerably less than the one you're trying to trade for.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Were the Kane signing and Yzerman leaving Tampa really that hard to predict ? Not sure why you’re hanging your hat on an opinion / prediction that many shared ..by those with zero connections to the team

I am telling you I knew both those things over a month before they happened. Yzerman stepping down in Tampa was a fairly shocking move. It does happen again nobody needs to get overly invested as a lot falls through. Just if you guys/gals want to say the poster knows nothing and we say hey in the past some big things have happened that were called before hand to each their own.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Again, you can tell me whatever you want. You're not any more correct now than you were the first 3 times you said it. Dude wrote like 5 novels in this thread trying to convince people that Rasmussen is actually more valuable than any reasonable person would think and "Byrum" is actually a depreciating asset. Those are not the posts you make if you're acknowledging that the player you're trying to trade is worth considerably less than the one you're trying to trade for.

Do you have anything new to say, or are you just gonna keep regurgitating the same comments even though you've been told he wasn't framing any trade around Rasmussen?

Because we can stop wasting each other's time if you're gonna just circle the same shit over and over again. It'd just be cool if you'd stop repeating it after being told you're wrong repeatedly.

 

[TKB]

Were the Kane signing and Yzerman leaving Tampa really that hard to predict ? Not sure why you’re hanging your hat on an opinion / prediction that many shared ..by those with zero connections to the team

Yzerman leaving Tampa WHEN he did (edit: as in the GM role) was most certainly a surprise.

 

[cvaicunas]

Man, you have so much text, but I have already noticed some nonsense. Especially regarding Byram and Rasmussen. I have seen a lot of criticism of Rasmussen, but at the same time you put him in some good light and clearly underestimate Byram. Byram played well this season, he played in the first pairing as a RD and was very solid in a pairing with Dahlin. There can be no deal around Byram and Rasmussen. It is just ridiculous.

There is no interest in Chiarot, Veleno, Copp, Compher, Petry or Holl.

You may not like what he is saying, but @Petes2424 always post informed opinions on this site. I think it clear from his history that he has some informed information from individuals around the game, and specific to the Red Wings. He was calling Kane to Detroit long before anyone else was.

 

[Fjordy]

You may not like what he is saying, but @Petes2424 always post informed opinions on this site. I think it clear from his history that he has some informed information from individuals around the game, and specific to the Red Wings. He was calling Kane to Detroit long before anyone else was.

I have no idea who he is. All I'm saying is that Rasmussen+ for Byram makes no sense for Buffalo. If our idiot GM pulls something like that I hope he gets fired immediately. Could Detroit be interested in Byram and there be some smoke in there? Sure, but not for Rasmussen as a core piece.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Just some random HFboards poster that knows someone in Wings management and appears at random to make outlandish predictions that always come true. He posted in here that Rasmussen and Chiarot were likely being traded to Winnipeg, Buffalo or Edmonton and that they have more value around the league than they do among fans. He floated Byram as the name that the Wings were likely interested in from Buffalo. Your fellow Buffalo fans are understandably reluctant to believe some rando making outlandish predictions so I was just lending my support to the idea that he should be listened to.

I think he might be a scout of some sort as well.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I have no idea who he is. All I'm saying is that Rasmussen+ for Byram makes no sense for Buffalo. If our idiot GM pulls something like that I hope he gets fired immediately. Could Detroit be interested in Byram and there be some smoke in there? Sure, but not for Rasmussen as a core piece.

I think that's perfectly fair. I can tell you, I've been advocating for a while now that Rasmussen is a meh player. The reason I generally like him as a trade asset is that he's exactly the kind of "He's huge and could be so much more!" kind of player that GMs often talk themselves into being more valuable than they actually are. In that sense, I agree with Pete that he feels like ... Tanner Jeannot, Kevin Hayes, Morgan Geekie - kind of prospect that you can see a GM talking themselves into.

Do I think he's worth Byram? Nope. Could I see someone overvaluaing Ras for what he is? Yup. Probably the same way those other guys were talked into "He's cost controlled, young, and I think he has so much more potential! He's this 30pt guy but if we worked with him I bet he could be a 50pt+ force! And he's <insert intangible quality> and <platitude>"

Note: There are many Wings fans that think Ras is very good and think he is incredibly valuable.

 

[Fjordy]

I think that's perfectly fair. I can tell you, I've been advocating for a while now that Rasmussen is a meh player. The reason I generally like him as a trade asset is that he's exactly the kind of "He's huge and could be so much more!" kind of player that GMs often talk themselves into being more valuable than they actually are. In that sense, I agree with Pete that he feels like ... Tanner Jeannot, Kevin Hayes, Morgan Geekie - kind of prospect that you can see a GM talking themselves into.

Do I think he's worth Byram? Nope. Could I see someone overvaluaing Ras for what he is? Yup. Probably the same way those other guys were talked into "He's cost controlled, young, and I think he has so much more potential! He's this 30pt guy but if we worked with him I bet he could be a 50pt+ force! And he's <insert intangible quality> and <platitude>"

Well, we recently paid 2nd for a guy like that (Greenway) and he was good for us. But where is Byram and where is 2nd. If Rasmussen is like Greenway, I'm not against adding him, it's just that Byram doesn't fit in with it. Some guy like Krebs or maybe a pick.