toddkaz
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"I am not saying they are the same value but I am saying they are the same value"
Why bring up JT Compher then?
You want our player you pay for our player or Yzerman can go pound sand.
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Why bring up JT Compher then?
You want our player you pay for our player or Yzerman can go pound sand.
Weird how you bring up Power's +/- compared to Seider's, after claiming Seider was "Struggling" against top competition, and then claim Seider is regressing... Even though Seider's +/- is better than Power's this year, and he's a +1 on a team with a -24 goal differential.
Not sure how you do that while, "Struggling" against top competition, but keep going...
He seemed to struggle the years prior than since he had negative finishes by the way you referenced +/- as I don't care for the stat just pointed out that power finished with more positive +/- so far in his career on struggling Sabres teams while Detroit was in a more competitive position when seider finished negative
Also seider 45% cf vs 51% for power lines up with the eye test of power having a more positive impact on the game than seider all he has going for him is a 50 point rookie season hits and that he is the no.1 d on Detroit power>risto 2.0
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It was to point to his production while people name our first line players that what in their second years are the only time they have been comparably bad production wise to how Cozens has played the last two years. Compher is older but also actually won a cup as a third line center and is far more trustworthy defensively.
Cozens at this point is a winger with a big contract that is struggling. What you think the payment should be even for HF is more than a tad unreasonable. So I used a player who most agree is already slightly overpriced to ram that argument home.
The team acquiring him is doing so for the bounce back. They sure as hell are not going to pay you for the bounce back that hasn’t happened.
Cap goes up so maybe the 7.1 for a lengthy term isn’t as bad but they will also need to find a team that has that kind of flexibility as well.
Both fanbases have agreed that we don’t see the package here. It doesn’t change that Cozens is at maybe his poorest point in asset value. But if he plays out the season like this his value probably drops even more, it is why his name is out there right now.
Ugh
Just close this thread down...if a trade happens open it back up and just lock the profiles of anyone who was way off value wise(wings or Sabres side)
Just close this thread down...if a trade happens open it back up and just lock the profiles of anyone who was way off value wise(wings or Sabres side)
Satanphonehome
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People are wrongly in the fan mindset here of blockbusters and “what talented kid can I buy low on?”
The more obvious fit here is in the differing failed philosophies: Buffalo went too hard on callow skill players, Detroit on expensive mid-roster vets.
The likeliest trade would be something to address that. I could see the Sabres interested in the concept of a Chairot or a Compher, and the Wings open to moving pieces like that.
The scouting is about does the actual play match the concept and, from that, what is a fair price?
The more obvious fit here is in the differing failed philosophies: Buffalo went too hard on callow skill players, Detroit on expensive mid-roster vets.
The likeliest trade would be something to address that. I could see the Sabres interested in the concept of a Chairot or a Compher, and the Wings open to moving pieces like that.
The scouting is about does the actual play match the concept and, from that, what is a fair price?
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With modified NTC, somebody on the team had one blocking the Rangers I would be fascinated by who they have that doesn’t have Buffalo on their 10 team list.
That part of Rasmussen made sense, extremely popular in the Detroit dressing room to give them a shake internally as well. No trade control.
I was originally in this same camp, but that deal feels easy to do, the hesitation here I find a little fascinating.
So to clarify:
1. You concede that you were wrong about Seider struggling against top competition.
2. You concede that you were wrong about Seider regressing.
3. You concede that it was stupid to cite +/- at a time when Seider is doing better than Power.
Now all that's left is conceding that Seider is better than Power. You're soooooo close!
Umm... no he is still struggling his 45 cf proves that, his overall impact is regressing and it was stupid to use +/- in the first place when he struggled in that department in the past when the team performed better maybe Detroit struggles come from seeing seider as a no.1 rather than a 3d much like risto playing in over his head
Maybe if Power was as good as Seider the Sabres wouldn't be struggling so much. Seider is definitely a big reason why the Wings haven't been as bad as the Sabres.
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The Wings have been dreadful this year, really only Seider and Edvinsson have played well on the backend. A little worried about McLellan breaking them up to be honest. Up front you have Raymond and Cat, Larkin is playing a little below what he is capable of but not a dumpster fire. That is basically it, 5 dudes and a couple goalies playing somewhat well.
The Wings need to get better basically for the national television series where the fancy stat crowd leaves Seider alone for a very long time no matter what they say. People aren’t watching him not be the problem while carrying the team for half the game.
He is the best dman they have had since Lidstrom by a comfortable margin, but he is honestly asked to shoulder an absolute insane amount. ASP and a #4 LD cannot come soon enough.
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If Detroit is struggling because Seider is their #1 then how much does Power suck that Buffalo is even worse with Power as their #3?
And the wings have the exact amount of points as the Sabres even with the outlier 13 loss streak seider us good but has no other help on the blue line now he is trying to carry the blue line and his impact is catering much like risto who was tasked with too much to early on
Ehh outlier season losing streak key forwards struggling to produce early on all of byram, dahlin, and power have been integral at driving possession and dahlin has been the no.1 with Byram and power both playing 2d minutes
Satanphonehome
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Its pretty well known the Sabres were very high on Kasper in his draft year, making the deal to move up in the draft for him before Matt Murray squashed that.
There certainly remains the possibility he’s a target of the Sabres. Do the Sabres like him better than, say, Kulich, Benson or Quinn? Does Detroit? A trade like that is not out of the question and might be fun, especially if it addresses the Detroit/Buffalo substance/skill prospect stereotypes.
As far as Rasmussen goes, I don’t see a fit, or a plus that gets you Cozens. Cozens might be a 2C, Rasmussen won’t be. Sabres already dealt for their emerging 3C in McLeod.
13 losses in a row is out of character for any team that is just bad luck either way it is rather impressive that the wings are dead last with us considering the 13 loss streak
We aren't good partners and selling low on cozens would be a bad idea same with Quinn would rather use Rosen and a 2nd for a player similar to zucker
If we had a 4/9 split we would be 8 points ahead of the wings
In all honesty buffalo does suck on part due to players getting underrated due to the Buffalo affect and not getting full value in a trade for the players and seeing them exponentially perform better on opposing teams we have to strike gold on trades like we did with Thompson even then taking into account we should have gotten either kyrou or Thomas as well because of the two cap dumps that just spurned us ryjo and Thompson are great and hold more value than O'Reilly today but st.louis got a cup out of itDefinitely an outlier season for Buffalo. They're usually quite good.
In all honesty, I stopped reading after "In all honesty".
The credibility you've failed to build in your previous posts has dropped the patience level to read through an entire paragraph of nonsense.
I'll leave it at this: I don't care whether you believe Seider is better than Power or not. Cozens + Samuelsson + 1st doesn't get you remotely close to Seider.
Buddy, you're talking about "Proven wrong" even though you slipped up and said "Power will close the gap" over a page ago, admitting that he's not currently better.
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Maybe bragging how your team is better might not be the best idea when they have the same amount of points as the Sabres even after their 13 game losing streak while Detroit also features an older and less skilled roster.
That's completely flawed logic and you know it. The problem with the Sabres D corps is certainly not lack of talent but unbalanced skillsets. They have three young uber-talented lefty offensive dmen who should all play the same position (attacking 1st pair dman + PPQB). So along with the fact that he lacks a capable veteran partner, if anything, Power is being held back by the fact that he's not on the first pair and not the #1 PPQB.
Don't see the necessity for Kasper given how well same aged Coolidge has been playing the same position. He's the better Kasper at this point and if anything Sabres'd need a vet C, not another pup.
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In the absence of real news, let’s lock this for now.
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