Proposal: (DET/CGY) Määttä + Husso for Hanley

[lanceuppercut75]

to Calgary Flames
Olli Määttä (1y @ $3.0000m)
Ville Husso (50% retained) (1y @ $2.3750m)
( lower end prospect, not one of DET's top 15 prospects )
TOTAL CAP = $5.3750m
CAP CHANGE = add $4.5875m (minus Wolf's cap)

to Detroit Red Wings
Joel Hanley (1y @ $0.7875m)
( retaining $2.3750m on Husso for 1 year )
TOTAL CAP = $3.1625m
CAP CHANGE = open $4.5875m (minus Lyon's cap)


CALGARY FLAMES weaponize their cap space by taking on a 1 year backup goalie in order to get an extra prospect and Olli Maatta, who they can play in their top 4 D on the left side (where Calgary is weak) and then trade between now and the deadline as a rental defenseman to a playoff team to add a 2nd round pick for their rebuild. If Wolf is clearly better than Husso in training camp, Calgary can waive Husso and put him in the AHL and keep Wolf in the NHL, if they prefer to do that.

Maatta - Andersson
Bahl - Weegar
Solovyov - Miromanov
Bean - Pachal
injury callup = Kuznetsov or Grushnikov

Vladar
Husso
injury callup = Wolf

DETROIT RED WINGS get to clear up their goalie log-jam and open up some cap space at the cost of a lower-end prospect and Olli Maatta. They can roll with Talbot Lyon in the NHL and Cossa Campbell in the AHL. A left defense prospect like Wallinder or Buium now potentially could force a spot in the Detroit lineup, and DET could waive Hanley if that happened. The cap space opened reduces pressures to trade Copp or Holl. That can be revisited next summer.

Edvinsson - Seider
A Johansson - Petry
E Gustafsson - Holl
Chiarot - Hanley
injury callup = Wallinder or Buium

Talbot
Lyon
injury callup = Cossa

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[Ledge And Dairy]

Why would Calgary do that? There is literally zero incentive

 

[Minnesota Knudsens]

“Not one of Detroit’s top 15 prospects” lol.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Why would Calgary do that? There is literally zero incentive

- improve D a little bit, temporarily
- take on Maatta and cap now, cash it in for 2nd rounder at deadline
- bring veteran D into locker room for half a season, help kids maybe?
- try out Maatta, maybe extending him is preferable to trading as rental?
- greatly strengthen AHL goaltending. Husso or Wolf playing in AHL
- now have 2 mediocre NHL goalies, allows Wolf to play AHL (helps tanking)
- small chance Husso improves in Calgary, trade at deadline for pick

Calgary can either not use their cap space, or they can use it to improve their current roster, or they can weaponize it to take on cap from other teams and translate it into picks and prospects. They seem to be rebuilding, so taking on dumps and translating into picks and prospects seems to fit the strategy more than the other 2 options. Husso is a 1 year contract and Maatta would be for half a year and then traded. There's no long term implications here.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

- improve D a little bit, temporarily
- take on Maatta and cap now, cash it in for 2nd rounder at deadline
- bring veteran D into locker room for half a season, help kids maybe?
- try out Maatta, maybe extending him is preferable to trading as rental?
- greatly strengthen AHL goaltending. Husso or Wolf playing in AHL
- now have 2 mediocre NHL goalies, allows Wolf to play AHL (helps tanking)
- small chance Husso improves in Calgary, trade at deadline for pick

Calgary can either not use their cap space, or they can use it to improve their current roster, or they can weaponize it to take on cap from other teams and translate it into picks and prospects. They seem to be rebuilding, so taking on dumps and translating into picks and prospects seems to fit the strategy more than the other 2 options. Husso is a 1 year contract and Maatta would be for half a year and then traded. There's no long term implications here.

You really aren't getting this. Why would Calgary care about barely improving their defense? Maatta is very mid and barely improves the Flames blue line as it is currently. He would also force us to place one of our current defensemen of waivers. The youngest defenseman on the Flames blue line is 24 year old Kevin Bahl, vets are not a need. Sure we can try out Maatta but we have to be paid to take him, same with Husso. Calgary isn't sending Wolf back down, he's done playing in the AHL lol.

Calgary can absolutely weaponize their cap space but your proposal isn't doing that at all. You have them taking on over 5M cap (no idea why you have Detroit retaining on Husso lol) just to get a 16th+ best prospect???? That's not incentive, you have to incentivize Calgary to do this. Both of those players are inherently worthless to the Flames, so I reiterate why would Calgary do this? There is zero incentive

 

[trick9]

This doesn't make any sense for Flames.

It's fine if you don't want to get rid of any of your top-15 prospects, but to dump salary the incentive is going to have to be picks then instead of prospects below top-15.

Take out the prospect and replace with picks. How much would Flames want to get this done? 2nd + 3rd rounder?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

This doesn't make any sense for Flames.

It's fine if you don't want to get rid of any of your top-15 prospects, but to dump salary the incentive is going to have to be picks then instead of prospects below top-15.

Take out the prospect and replace with picks. How much would Flames want to get this done? 2nd + 3rd rounder?

Detroit not moving Husso before free agency and not buying him out seems to imply that Yzerman doesn't want to trade pick and prospects to move him. Maatta is probably worth a second as a rental at the deadline though, so acquiring Maatta is KIND OF like acquiring a 2nd rounder for Calgary. They just have to wait several months to cash it in. However, there's also the risk that Maatta gets an injury or his play falls off of a cliff. It's not ideal.

Husso is a salary dump. Maatta is a player with a small to medium amount value that will have increased value at the deadline.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Calgary already has a great Detroit prospect who still isn’t NHL ready.

Anthony Mantha

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Calgary isn't sending Wolf back down, he's done playing in the AHL lol.

If Calgary wants a top draft pick, they would be wise to keep him down for one more year before his waiver eligibility begins. Even keeping him down just until the deadline would be preferable IMO to having him play all year in Calgary. Vladar and another backup (like Husso for example) is more likely to lose games for Calgary.

 

[trick9]

Detroit not moving Husso before free agency and not buying him out seems to imply that Yzerman doesn't want to trade pick and prospects to move him. Maatta is probably worth a second as a rental at the deadline though, so acquiring Maatta is KIND OF like acquiring a 2nd rounder for Calgary. They just have to wait several months to cash it in. However, there's also the risk that Maatta gets an injury or his play falls off of a cliff. It's not ideal.

Husso is a salary dump. Maatta is a player with a small to medium amount value that will have increased value at the deadline.

Alright, i get your idea.

I think it's just agree to disagree, i don't see Maatta having that kind of value. Perhaps i'm wrong but if someone actually valued Maatta even at 3rd rounder or 4th rounder, Yzerman would have moved him instead of Walman + 2nd?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If Calgary wants a top draft pick, they would be wise to keep him down for one more year before his waiver eligibility begins. Even keeping him down just until the deadline would be preferable IMO to having him play all year in Calgary. Vladar and another backup (like Husso for example) is more likely to lose games for Calgary.

Huh why? Wolf still has quite a long way to go on development and the only way he's going to improve now is by getting reps in at the NHL level. He's probably not going to play much more than 30 games anyways. Calgary will probably finish with ~70 points this season which should be good enough for a top 5 pick

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Alright, i get your idea.

I think it's just agree to disagree, i don't see Maatta having that kind of value. Perhaps i'm wrong but if someone actually valued Maatta even at 3rd rounder or 4th rounder, Yzerman would have moved him instead of Walman + 2nd?

Agree to disagree is cool, yeah.

Walman has a higher cap hit than Maatta, so maybe that's why he did that? Honestly, most people seem confused by the Walman move.

 

[Hobnobs]

Alright, i get your idea.

I think it's just agree to disagree, i don't see Maatta having that kind of value. Perhaps i'm wrong but if someone actually valued Maatta even at 3rd rounder or 4th rounder, Yzerman would have moved him instead of Walman + 2nd?

Maybe but Määtta is the better defensive specialist and Red Wings kinda need that as well I guess if anyone is gonna teach the kids defense I'd rather it be Määtta than Walman (or Chiarot/Holl/Petry).

Either way, Wings aren't lookign to move a defenseman atm unless its to dump Holl.

 

[Volica]

LoL.
Here Calgary, here's a couple pieces of garbage. In return, we'll take a no-cost 7/8D and we'll give you a prospect you've never heard of and will never likely play in the NHL.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can’t Calgary get a 1st for their cap space? Maybe, not from Detroit, but, Detroit isn’t the only potential partner.

 

[madmike77]

- improve D a little bit, temporarily
- take on Maatta and cap now, cash it in for 2nd rounder at deadline
- bring veteran D into locker room for half a season, help kids maybe?
- try out Maatta, maybe extending him is preferable to trading as rental?
- greatly strengthen AHL goaltending. Husso or Wolf playing in AHL
- now have 2 mediocre NHL goalies, allows Wolf to play AHL (helps tanking)
- small chance Husso improves in Calgary, trade at deadline for pick

Calgary can either not use their cap space, or they can use it to improve their current roster, or they can weaponize it to take on cap from other teams and translate it into picks and prospects. They seem to be rebuilding, so taking on dumps and translating into picks and prospects seems to fit the strategy more than the other 2 options. Husso is a 1 year contract and Maatta would be for half a year and then traded. There's no long term implications here.

I don’t think the Flames are interested in small improvements at the moment. They may weaponize their cap space, but only for higher returns. They’ll want picks or legit prospects.

 

[Hobnobs]

LoL.
Here Calgary, here's a couple pieces of garbage. In return, we'll take a no-cost 7/8D and we'll give you a prospect you've never heard of and will never likely play in the NHL.

While the proposal is just awful, Wings pool is quite deep. I mean before the draft some of the non top-15 prospects wouldve been Red Savage, Tuomisto, Liam Dower Nilsson and so on. Not nothing names to be frank.

And again, I agree this is garbage for the flames. Sadly like 100% of his proposals are...

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Vladar had a season ending hip surgery at the end of March, Calgary says he should be good to go when training camp starts in September.

If Vladar was not ready for the start of the season I could see Calgary acquiring a short term stop gap or even recalling Devin Cooley.

I would except the Flames to run with a Wolf - Vladar tandem, and the Wranglers to run with a Ignatjew - Cooley tandem.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I really don't think Maatta has anywhere near the value you think he does for starters. There's literally no reason for Calgary to just give Detroit a gift like this

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I understand the idea you're coming at, in terms of the Flames getting value from flipping Maatta. However it's simply not enough incentive for us to take them on, and a "not top 15 prospect" means pretty much zero value.

 

[Volica]

While the proposal is just awful, Wings pool is quite deep. I mean before the draft some of the non top-15 prospects wouldve been Red Savage, Tuomisto, Liam Dower Nilsson and so on. Not nothing names to be frank.

And again, I agree this is garbage for the flames. Sadly like 100% of his proposals are...

I mean, regardless of depth, generally you only get a handful of NHLers in a top 15 prospect pool. And most of the time it's for other clubs.
While I don't disagree someone like Red Savage would have a bit of value, not enough there to take on two bad contracts while giving a serviceable player back.

 

[Oddbob]

Why does OP keep posting Detroit trades when they aren't even a Wings fan? This is like 5th-7th one in the past few weeks.

 

[Hobnobs]

I mean, regardless of depth, generally you only get a handful of NHLers in a top 15 prospect pool. And most of the time it's for other clubs.
While I don't disagree someone like Red Savage would have a bit of value, not enough there to take on two bad contracts while giving a serviceable player back.

Yeah, like I said it's a garbage proposal froma non-wings fan who constantly makes bad proposals involving the Wings.

 

[blankall]

Calgary takes on $5million in cap and 2 contract spots. You're throwing in a first for that. Lol. No top 15 prospects. Maata is unlikely to get a 2nd, or anything, back.

 

[Bleedred]

Husso sucks

Always has, except for a fluke one-off year.