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Derek Stepan Version 2.0

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Beacon said:
I don't see the Rangers holding onto Brad. It makes a lot more sense to buy him out and replace him with a $4 second line center who will produce no less than the aging Brad will.
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I don't see them letting him go this offseason. There is little available in the UFA market. If we can fit everyone and Brad, keep him around for another year, then buy him out.

Having a full year of Stepan, Brassard, and Richards won't be a bad thing for the club.
 
RangerBoy said:
Stepan is on pace for a 73.45 point season. 73 points over a full 82 game season. David Krejci had one NHL season under his belt. 73 points in 82 games in the 08-09 season. He signed a 3 year deal worth $3.75M per. $3.5M,$3.75M and $4M. That contract included the non-arb year. Travis Zajac 2nd contract. 4 years. $15.55M. 3 arbitration years and 1 group III year. It will cost the Rangers $4M to re-sign Stepan to longer than a 2 year deal. Stepan is four years away from group III. It would have to be longer than four years. Five years for the $4M per. Similar to Marc Staal. He has a cap hit close to $4M but it includes one group III year.
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As mentioned in the other thread, Giroux's 3x3.75 is an extremely good comparable. While they are dissimilar in playing style their points progression has almost been identical. It's dependent on his playoff showing though, Giroux followed up his 76 point season with 12 points in 11 games.

Giroux's 76 points in a full season also likely carried more weight than Stepan's 48 games at 70+ point pace will. Let's say 3.5-3.7 on a three year deal.

As mentioned in the other thread; I wouldn't be totally opposed an 8 year deal. 3.5 for each of the RFA years and 5.5 for each of the UFA years. Structured at a flat 4.5/y to be legal in the new CBA. 4.5/y for 8 years. Might be too low to be realistic, but the point of the contract still stands: use his RFA status to ensure a low cap-hit well into his UFA years.
 
Blue Blooded said:
As mentioned in the other thread; I wouldn't be totally opposed an 8 year deal. 3.5 for each of the RFA years and 5.5 for each of the UFA years. Structured at a flat 4.5/y to be legal in the new CBA. 4.5/y for 8 years. Might be too low to be realistic, but the point of the contract still stands: use his RFA status to ensure a low cap-hit well into his UFA years.
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Too much risk in signing someone to an 8 year contract. Let's remember dipstick's contract.
 
Giroux is one year from group III when the contract expires after 13-14. He will be a group II with arbitration rights and his QO will be $5M. The Rangers offered Staal a 3 year and 5 year deal in 2010. The 5 year was for more money and it got the Rangers a group III year.
 
Beacon said:
Too much risk in signing someone to an 8 year contract. Let's remember dipstick's contract.
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I'm not a fan of 8 year contracts, but at the end of it he'll be what, 31?

I'd have to be ok with that. He hasn't shown any health issues and while that stuff is never predictable, getting a high level producing stepan for 8 years at 4.5 versus getting him for 3 than having to potentially pay him 6Mil plus is nerve wracking.

Tough decision.
 
16 To Stanley said:
I'm not a fan of 8 year contracts, but at the end of it he'll be what, 31?

I'd have to be ok with that. He hasn't shown any health issues and while that stuff is never predictable, getting a high level producing stepan for 8 years at 4.5 versus getting him for 3 than having to potentially pay him 6Mil plus is nerve wracking.

Tough decision.
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i don't think the numbers are going to be that high, but i'd take him for the 8 in a heartbeat. no way do i want to shovel out 6 a year to him, but for 4.5 i don't see him ever becoming less than a #2 2 way center. thinking about injuries making deals and nobody gets more than 4 years. stepan's only injury 'seemed' to be the knee as far as i recall, and he doesn't seem to be struggling with that at all. he's a head-up player who doesn't put himself into a position to be injured very often-- unless you count shot blocking, but meh... we've shown that's not all that bad
 
Stepan has a chance of becoming a 2C?

He was that last year. This year, he's been a top 1C, when you look at center scoring in the league.
 
If Stepan is going to get signed to anything that takes him to group III it should be a long term 8 year deal. There is no reason to sign him to a 4-5 yr deal, stupid move by us, why sign him to something that makes him UFA at 27. The $ difference between 5 & 8 yrs is probably not much more than 1mil per against the cap. If they feel he is a #1C then lock him up! 8 yrs Makes him group III at 31. If they are still not sure about his potential then he gets a bridge contract and we deal with signing him long term then. It will cost more to sign him long term in 2 years when he is arb eligible. I'm of the opinion that Stepan is a legit 1C with the potential to become borderline elite. He could regress, but even regression he would be a great 2C and if we can get him for 8/36 4.5 per or 8/40 5 per I say sign him up. Have to figure out the cap but you work the cap around players like this. Been a real long time since I've seen a homegrown Ranger C like him!
 
He's played well, but this is his first 1/2 of season he's been truly dominant. I don't want to pay for potential. 2 yrs at 8m total.
 
Stepan is a +22. For context, if the season ended today that would be the 2nd highest mark of a Ranger player since 06-07, in an average season with only half of the games played. Only McDonagh, with +25 over 82 games in a first place season did better.
 
Stepan's market value will likely be hurt by the shortened season and, of course, the cap coming down. $4M per seems like a lot right now, especially when theres really no need to commit that much money or a long term right now.
 
Kershaw said:
He's played well, but this is his first 1/2 of season he's been truly dominant. I don't want to pay for potential. 2 yrs at 8m total.
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:facepalm: He's a young player with great health and incredible potential. We are looking at a long term deal here, not some itty-bitty "if you're good enough" kind of crap. And that price is outrageous seeing that we wouldn't have enough cap unless buying out Richards but if we buy out Richards and have Stepan for 2 years? FOR 8 MIL?! That's a recipe for disaster.

Not to mention the fact we still would need to resign McD, Hags, and Zucc after that.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Stepan's market value will likely be hurt by the shortened season and, of course, the cap coming down. $4M per seems like a lot right now, especially when theres really no need to commit that much money or a long term right now.
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wait are you telling me that Stepan's market value is going down because of this season? and Why wouldn't we need a long term contract? I agree with you that $4M seems like a lot right now but I'm kind of confused on your overall thesis.. kind of a scattered opinion
 
Koekkoek4U said:
wait are you telling me that Stepan's market value is going down because of this season? and Why wouldn't we need a long term contract? I agree with you that $4M seems like a lot right now but I'm kind of confused on your overall thesis.. kind of a scattered opinion
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His market value in comparison to his current contract? No, of course thats not going down.

Im talking about his overall market value when it comes to signing his next contract. Theres a lot of factors working against him, but the top 2 are:

1. its nice to say hes a 70 point player pro-rated, but thats all it is - prorated. Who knows if he would've produced at this clip for a full 82 games? We'll never know and the negotiations will make note of that.

2. Cap is going down, therefore salaries are going down next season

Truth is, its an entirely new market because of those 2 factors. I know we all love Stepan right now, but I hope Sather proceeds with caution. Im not a huge fan of handing out longterm deals in this environment.
 
Why is it so hard to believe that Stepan would get the same type of money that Skinner, Hall, Eberle, Seguin, O'Rielly are getting. He has out performed all of these guys. Is Glen Sather the only GM that does not have to pay market value for the players he signs? I am not saying that we should over pay for Stepan, but he has given no one the impression that he is going to go backwards. I have said it here before if we think we are going to get Stepan to sign a 3-3.5 million dollar 2 year bridge contract after all he does for this team we are all nuts. Stepan will demand 4-5 Million a year and at least 4 years, and he should. He has done way more for the Rangers than the names I mentioned above and they are all making 5-6 million a year. If we get him for 4-5 million a year I would be perfectly ok with that.

The kid is now 7th overall in the NHL in plus minus at +22, he is in the top 30 in the NHL in total points, assists, goals, game winners, TOI for forwards, is this not enough to pay the kid? Since Feb 25th there are only two players in the entire NHL with more points than Stepan. Those two players are #1 and #2 in the NHL in scoring as of this morning, Stamkos and Saint Louis.There is no doubt in my mind that the stats he put up in 48 games that there is not a GM in the NHL that would not give him a offer sheet and if ROR is demanding 6.5 million we will get burnt on a offer sheet to Stepan. This league is about what you have done for me lately and I don't want to here it's a shorten season. Stepan is the one guy on this team that has overachieved this year and as a die hard Ranger fan I can appreciate that. Has he not made believers out of all of us who doubted this kid on draft day, (including me)? If you say otherwise I will call you a liar. The only guy that may have said that is Stepanformayor. He has done more for the Rangers than anyone on this board could of ever of imagined. It's a great story and we should all embrace it. IMO it's wishful thinking if you think a small bridge contract is going to get this deal done. I say no way!!
 
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With the way he's playing, I see him wearing an A on his chest very soon.

Not just the scoring, but the forecheck, the PK, the defense. I like him as a Captain after Callahan.
 
EsposHounds said:
Why is it so hard to believe that Stepan would get the same type of money that Skinner, Hall, Eberle, Seguin, O'Rielly are getting. He has out performed all of these guys. Is Glen Sather the only GM that does not have to pay market value for the players he signs?
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1) Skinner, Eberle and Seguin all got 6 year deals, including 2 UFA years. Hall got 7 years, including 3 UFA years. If their GMs had given them 2 years deals, there cap hits would be a lot lower.

2) O'Rielly only got 2 years, but he only got that money because he got an offer sheet. If calgary, colorado or O'Rielly's agent had known that ROR would have to pass through waivers to sign with another team, the offer sheet would have never happened and ROR would have signed for much less.

3) Sather rarely gives long term contracts to non-arbitration eligible players. Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan, Girardi, MDZ, Sauer, Prucha and Tyutin all got 2 year deals. Dawes only got 1 year. The only player who got more than 2 years was Staal.

4) We have limited cap space and other players to re-sign. McD and Hagelin are both arbitration eligible. We simply might not have the cap space to give him a long term deal, unless they don't plan on bringing Clowe back.

5) Stepan has no leverage. His only recourse is to sign the deal that Sather offers him, or hope for an offer sheet and sign it. What team is going to risk pissing off the Rangers by giving him an offer sheet? ROR sat out games before he got one. You think Stepan will do that?

So basically what it comes down to is you have a bunch of GMs who gave those players more money than they had to. And you have Sather who makes it his business to give out 2 year bridge contracts. That's not to say that he won't offer Stepan a longer term deal. But his track record and our limited cap space suggest that he won't.
 
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