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Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

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rangersbaby said:
Did you guys realize Kadri made almost as much last year because of where he was drafted than stepan in his first 3 years combined.
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Kadri's cap hit last year was 870k:

http://www.capgeek.com/mapleleafs/archive/?year_id=2012

There are no carryover bonuses, so he obviously didn't meet the conditions for all of his performance bonuses.

Stepan's cap hit was 875k last year:

http://www.capgeek.com/rangers/archive/?year_id=2012

With proration due to the lockout, both players probably made closer to 500k in actual dollars.

Stepan was making a lot more money the 2 years prior when Kadri spent a lot of time in the AHL, where his salary was only $67,500. So no, Stepan hasn't been underpaid to this point when compared to Kadri.

The CBA has screwed Derek and this is his only way of getting close to fair value.
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The CBA hasn't screwed Stepan. Did it screw Couture when he signed his 2 year, 2.875 mil per year deal? The 5 year, 30 mil deal he just signed suggests otherwise. He was coming off a 32 goal season. Stepan has only performed at near PPG totals for half of one year.

You know who got screwed by the CBA? Older players who now can't find a job because teams have no more cap space. I'm sure any of them would switch positions with Stepan in a heartbeat.
 
GAGLine said:
You know who got screwed by the CBA? Older players who now can't find a job because teams have no more cap space. I'm sure any of them would switch positions with Stepan in a heartbeat.
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You don't think it's sort of backwards in this regard?

Shouldn't the player with less actual NHL years under his belt be the non arbitration eligible ones?
 
Raspewtin said:
P.S. Did Dubinsky's hold out cause those much scrutiny?
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From a lot of fans, yes. Some of them still hold a grudge.

Many assumed that the holdout would sour the relationship between Dubi and the Rangers, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
 
There was lot more hostility with Dubinsky, perhaps because he was coming off a bad season. Sather was reported to be lowballing Dubinsky for much of the summer but then they managed to reach a deal that was closer to market value during training camp.
 
Levitate said:
Yes, people hated that Dubinsky took awhile to sign and the animosity still lingers with some.

Some people will probably still hate Stepan even if he goes on to be a point per game player and signs long term with the Rangers for a reasonable deal
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This is the problem with fans. They take it personal.. and its really not personal. Its a business from the management to the players and all of us from the outside should let both sides sort it out... I dont hold it against a guy for getting what he deserves and I dont blame management for trying to get the most value for each player.
 
I've got nothing against Stepan but the Rangers clearly have 'hand' here and every right to exercise that. They should maybe up their offer $100-200K and tell Stepan's agent that's their final offer and will not waiver from it - so if the player wants to continue to hold out he will miss games (losing pay) and it will serve no purpose other than hurting the team's chances for success and maybe drawing the ire of the coaching staff...
 
Gardner McKay said:
I don't know if I agree with that one. They are a deeper team sure. But Stepan is skilled and that lack of skill hurts them.
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There biggest issue last year was lack of depth in the bottom six.

They had games when I believe the 4th line was Bickel-Newbury-Asham/Powe/Haley.

that's not going to cut it.

this year they have Moore, Boyle, Zucc or Hags, Pouliot, Dorsett, Asham, Powe, Haley, Fast, Lindberg, Miller, Pyatt etc, fighting for those bottom 6 spots.

I don't think the drop down from Steps to Brassard is drastic enough to knock them out of the playoffs, when overall, they are extremely improved, on D as well.
 
16 To Stanley said:
There biggest issue last year was lack of depth in the bottom six.

They had games when I believe the 4th line was Bickel-Newbury-Asham/Powe/Haley.

that's not going to cut it.

this year they have Moore, Boyle, Zucc or Hags, Pouliot, Dorsett, Asham, Powe, Haley, Fast, Lindberg, Miller, Pyatt etc, fighting for those bottom 6 spots.

I don't think the drop down from Steps to Brassard is drastic enough to knock them out of the playoffs, when overall, they are extremely improved, on D as well.
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Offensively... no it is not. Defensively... That's another story. Stepans defensive play is on another level compared to Brassard.
 
Off Sides said:
You don't think it's sort of backwards in this regard?

Shouldn't the player with less actual NHL years under his belt be the non arbitration eligible ones rather than the ones who sign at a later age and then have less NHL experience?
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Do you mean shouldn't someone like Stepan have arbitration rights over someone like Hagelin? I don't know. I mean, Sidney Crosby didn't have arbitration rights either when he signed his 2nd contract, though it didn't make a difference in his case.

Most of the guys who have arbitration rights on the 2nd contract have them because either they are coming from the NCAA or they weren't good enough to get a contract at an earlier age. Gilroy signed at what, 25? Lot of good his arbitration rights did him.

The 2nd contract is all the GMs have. It's the only time they have significant leverage against the player. We've all seen how the arbitrators operate, and we've all seen how overpaid many UFAs are. Some GMs are willing to gamble on a long term deal, in the hopes that the player will outperform the contract in the future. Sather isn't one of those GMs.
 
94now said:
Interest over 20 year period. Could be more. If invested at 7% return you keep that million getting 70K. My number was for much less %.
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And if he sits out a month and misses out on that 435,000 in the first month , that could be compounding over one year at 7% and be turned into 30,000 by the end of the year!
 
can they give him the 3.5 mil but add a year to the deal? win-win...? he might lose a couple mil on that third year but he gets a lot of it with the extra 500k the first two years and also protects himself. if he stays playing well, the rangers get a bargain third year.
 
wolfgaze said:
I've got nothing against Stepan but the Rangers clearly have 'hand' here and every right to exercise that. .
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Same was said about NHL before lockout. NHLPA won that round. You may only be correct if Stepan is not important for Rangers. If he is he will win. If, in fact, he isn't, he should be elsewhere where he would not only be important, but is treated as such.
 
94now said:
First off, you can only fire them, no trade value.
Second, never. I love Rangers mods. These are the only ones who recognize me.

#KeepThem
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I think we could get a good return.

2k2, -31-, and a 2nd

for

McSt*bby avatars and a 1st
 
16 To Stanley said:
And if he sits out a month and misses out on that 435,000 in the first month , that could be compounding over one year at 7% and be turned into 30,000 by the end of the year!
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I'm sure most people would love to know what FDIC product is currently paying 7% interest.
 
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