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Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

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Gardner McKay said:
You missed the point completely. If it wasn't a new coach, new system and 2 key players being injured, I wouldn't care if he held out until December either as he is only hurting himself financially.

With regards to the bolded, I am sure that is the case considering you aren't making anything like that to have a comparison to. 500k compared to $50k is a 10 fold increase. $500k compared to 5 million is merely 10%. By sitting out through December, he effectively only earns roughly 2.8 million? for the remainder of the season and total $$$ wise for the 2 years is almost in the same boat if he were to sign now for 3.1 to 3.2.
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This is his leverage...
Everyone says hes an RFA and has no leverage. This is his only leverage.
Did you guys realize Kadri made almost as much last year because of where he was drafted than stepan in his first 3 years combined.
The CBA has screwed Derek and this is his only way of getting close to fair value.
Holding out when he knows he is their best all around center and not having calahan and hags to start season as well will weigh on AV. Especially with the schedule to start season.
Like I said if he was a year older and arbitration eligible the number would be 5.5 based on the criteria.
3.5 is pretty fair value especially when he completely over played his first deal....
This is all he has to use and I respect that he is standing firm and making sure he doesnt get taken advantage of. We all know what kind of team guy he is and Im sure it eats him away he is not in camp with his teammates. He has big balls right now and am happy he is not giving in to slats....
 
GAGLine said:
No, players don't get paid for the preseason. They start getting paid the day the season starts, which is Oct 1st.
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Even better.

They are paid through April, correct?

If that's the case, on a 3 million dollar contract, starting in october, he'd have 430,000 at risk per month.
 
JCrusty said:
I'm surprised that so many people think players are being paid already.
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I made a mistake, here is the proper info from Dan Bylsma himself.

Dan Replies:
Dear MH: There are no paychecks during training camp, only travel and living expenses allowances. When the regular season starts, the club divides your salary by the number of days in the season figured from the first day of the season to the last day of the regular season and you are paid at that rate for every day for which you are rostered (or on the injured reserve list). But the distribution is typically made on the 15th and the 30th of the month.
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So assuming he sits out, beginning october 3rd,
 
He's not missing a month. What's he gonna do for a month? Skate at 12 year olds' birthday parties?
 
rangersbaby said:
This is his leverage...
Everyone says hes an RFA and has no leverage. This is his only leverage.
Did you guys realize Kadri made almost as much last year because of where he was drafted than stepan in his first 3 years combined.
The CBA has screwed Derek and this is his only way of getting close to fair value.
Holding out when he knows he is their best all around center and not having calahan and hags to start season as well will weigh on AV. Especially with the schedule to start season.
Like I said if he was a year older and arbitration eligible the number would be 5.5 based on the criteria.
3.5 is pretty fair value especially when he completely over played his first deal....
This is all he has to use and I respect that he is standing firm and making sure he doesnt get taken advantage of. We all know what kind of team guy he is and Im sure it eats him away he is not in camp with his teammates. He has big balls right now and am happy he is not giving in to slats....
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Im not sure how him losing money by sitting out for a significant period of time is leverage. That is an undeniable fact. Sitting out for an extended period can cause him net financial loss over the life of the contract. This is why I doubt it he sits out past the 1st game of the season. He won't risk losing the money. He knows it, his agent knows it. If his agent advises him to sit out past the first few games then he needs to fire his agent.
 
People who just assume this wont have any negative effects on the team are just deluding themselves. Remember when ROR came back to the Avs and Matt Duchene called him out saying he doesn't care about the team (something along those lines)? And idr who said it but I agree that giving into Oates and Stepan's camp now makes negotiating bruuuuutally difficult this coming season, and that's a lot of players to resign. I blame both sides, but this is just ridiculous now. I just want the kid in training camp so he isn't 10 steps behind everyone else ala Richards of last year. udhsfiusdhf.

P.S. Did Dubinsky's hold out cause those much scrutiny?
 
Looking at McDonagh's smile when he signed his contract, Step should hired McD's agent and smile more often too.
 
Raspewtin said:
People who just assume this wont have any negative effects on the team are just deluding themselves. Remember when ROR came back to the Avs and Matt Duchene called him out saying he doesn't care about the team (something along those lines)? And idr who said it but I agree that giving into Oates and Stepan's camp now makes negotiating bruuuuutally difficult this coming season, and that's a lot of players to resign. I blame both sides, but this is just ridiculous now. I just want the kid in training camp so he isn't 10 steps behind everyone else ala Richards of last year. udhsfiusdhf.

P.S. Did Dubinsky's hold out cause those much scrutiny?
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I think so. It was a while ago but I think people turned on Dubi much quicker and if IIRC (big if) he was being very un reasonable. I don't think Stepan is being that un reasonable. I also don't think Sather/Gorton is being un reasonable.
 
JCrusty said:
He's not missing a month. What's he gonna do for a month? Skate at 12 year olds' birthday parties?
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Lose money.

Once games get played the offer drops as far as the first year of the contract goes, at least that would be the logical way for it to work. So he won't get any better offer after Oct. 1st in theory.
 
So this is the risk Stepan faces for each day he sits out.

The NHL regular season is spread out over 193 days this year.

At a 3 million dollar contract, that is 15, 544.

If he sits out through October, that is $435,233.

to the poster that said he should sit out through december to get the 500K raise, that would cost him $1,414,504.
 
JCrusty said:
Right. It's projected to be at $70M+ but what if it falls short by say $2M? That $2M is enough to derail one important contract. What is Richards is injured? I'm not *****ing about the decision to retain Richards but what if he's injured?

Also, what if the cap is at $70M+ with Richards bought out? I don't think Glen wants players to have the idea that holding out can get them closer to what they want. There is never enough money. If we can get things done for $67M, we can sign another winger at $2.5M. Always more reasons to save than not.
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If we had a consistently responsible GM, I'd agree with you. Sather has proven to be an inconsistent trainwreck when it comes to a lot of things, but especially team finances.
 
16 To Stanley said:
So this is the risk Stepan faces for each day he sits out.

The NHL regular season is spread out over 193 days this year.

At a 3 million dollar contract, that is 15, 544.

If he sits out through October, that is $435,233.

to the poster that said he should sit out through december to get the 500K raise, that would cost him $1,414,504.
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If he actually sat out that long I'd start the "trade Stepan" thread myself.
 
NYR Viper said:
How do you know what I make? And yes.
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except that he would be losing insane amounts of money by sitting out.

this isn't some mcdonalds strike, where you're fighting for your livelihood.

him sitting out would not only be a mistake for his playing career, it would also be financially as well, once the first 30 days of payments have been made.

if he misses more than 30 days, to try and pry a 500K increase in salary, he will have broken even.
 
I think once every team is allowed to officially re-assign players removing them from their cap structure, Stepan will find an offer, maybe even from the Rangers.

Not every team in the league is going to keep their versions of Pyatt, Asham, Powe with them, they'd much rather hypothetically sign some player who is more useful now and in the future or just bank cap space for the trade deadline so they can pick up someone awesome, like Clowe.
 
JCrusty said:
I don't remember precisely but it seems with every passing second today, the Stepan situation is getting more sour.
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Yes, people hated that Dubinsky took awhile to sign and the animosity still lingers with some.

Some people will probably still hate Stepan even if he goes on to be a point per game player and signs long term with the Rangers for a reasonable deal
 
Levitate said:
Yes, people hated that Dubinsky took awhile to sign and the animosity still lingers with some.

Some people will probably still hate Stepan even if he goes on to be a point per game player and signs long term with the Rangers for a reasonable deal
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I certainly never loved Dubinsky, his hold out just gave me more reason to dislike him.

Not souring over Stepan, the ire should be directed at agents.
 
Levitate said:
Yes, people hated that Dubinsky took awhile to sign and the animosity still lingers with some.

Some people will probably still hate Stepan even if he goes on to be a point per game player and signs long term with the Rangers for a reasonable deal
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I hated him for getting a decent sized contract and not performing anywhere near what he should have been.

It's a business, I don't fault players or management.

that said, Stepan has no leverage and i don't think the team should give in.

One individual is not worth changing precedent for, unless he is absolutely an above and beyond caliber player.

Stepan is a 1B center.
 
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