Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

[16 To Stanley*]

But some are fixated and would hold out until December for $500k. Not realize that if they signed now for less money, they would make more than holding out for that extra $500k.

Could be an "ego" thing.

Honestly, that's what it must be. I believe payments start on the first day of September, so calculating the aggregate amount per day, over the course of 9 months, he has already missed out on 211,000$.

That's assuming he signed a 3 million dollar/year contract.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Your attempts at cognizant points sure do perplex the masses -- must be reading comprehension on our parts, though.

Im not the only one who believes Stepan is foolish for holding out for $500k. As far as the reading comprehension not always easy to see everything when posting from an Iphone. Mis reading a sentence is different then not understanding.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

None of this would be happening if we had just bought out Richards

Richards has nothing to do with this.. Rangers don't want to pay Stepan what he wants

 

[GAGLine]

Could be an "ego" thing.

Honestly, that's what it must be. I believe payments start on the first day of September, so calculating the aggregate amount per day, over the course of 9 months, he has already missed out on 211,000$.

That's assuming he signed a 3 million dollar/year contract.

No, players don't get paid for the preseason. They start getting paid the day the season starts, which is Oct 1st.

 

[16 To Stanley*]

Im not the only one who believes Stepan is foolish for holding out for $500k. As far as the reading comprehension not always easy to see everything when posting from an Iphone. Mis reading a sentence is different not understanding.

Thing is, he's holding out for 500K in "title" only. He's already lost money by sitting out. He's already lost over 200K for sitting out.

 

[Boruto]

He's not holding out for $500,000! It's not a either or situation. It's not going to be an either or situation. He's realistically holding out for $200,000 - 300,000 if management gives way or $100,000 - $200,000 if he gives. I don't see either side making a deal for less than $3.1M or $3.4M. It's going to be somewhere between $3.1M and $3.4M. That's a $300,000 difference. He's holding out for $300,000 if not $350,000 at most.

 

[pld459666]

Well, without us, they wouldn't even discussing a mere ****ing 500k difference. Without us, they do not play hockey.

context boys.

When it comes to negotiating his contract he doesn't care about the fans. No player does.

When it comes to the overall health of the league, then you become important.

Globally = fans are important

to individual players - YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT

get over yourselvs

 

[Gardner McKay]

No, players don't get paid for the preseason. They start getting paid the day the season starts, which is Oct 1st.

So if he holds out until halfway through December he has sat out 2 1/2 months of the season. They get paid through end of April? or May? (really not sure). Either way that is 7 or 8 months. either way its 35.7% of the season or 31.25% of the season (assuming its one of those two).

So for those on the $500k bandwagon, forfeiting that much in salary for an extra 500k is a facile argument. It is simply un realistic.

 

[McRanger]

None of this would be happening if we had just bought out Richards

Based on what?

The Rangers have never had a problem clearing cap space. They wouldn't even need to really clear anything to sign him for what Stepan wants.

 

[pld459666]

He's not holding out for $500,000! It's not a either or situation. It's not going to be an either or situation. He's realistically holding out for $200,000 - 300,000 if management gives way or $100,000 - $200,000 if he gives. I don't see either side making a deal for less than $3.1M or $3.4M. It's going to be somewhere between $3.1M and $3.4M. That's a $300,000 difference. He's holding out for $300,000 if not $350,000 at most.

annually.

low end - 600K

high end - 700K

those are real numbers

that's alot of money

 

[aufheben]

Thing is, he's holding out for 500K in "title" only. He's already lost money by sitting out. He's already lost over 200K for sitting out.

Doesn't the fact that he's lost money give him more incentive towards a larger contract? Not directed at you, but I love the people acting like hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't a lot, because he already get's paid a lot. I'm sure we'd all be saints in his position. It's management's job to make sure this team has it's #1C.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Thing is, he's holding out for 500K in "title" only. He's already lost money by sitting out. He's already lost over 200K for sitting out.

GAG posted that its Oct 1st.

 

[SlingshotVv]

Thing is, he's holding out for 500K in "title" only. He's already lost money by sitting out. He's already lost over 200K for sitting out.

even if he loses 500k before the season starts, by holding out for that extra 500k he'll still stand to make 1m over the course of the 3 years. So he's got quite a ways to go before he's losing out

 

[pld459666]

So if he holds out until halfway through December he has sat out 2 1/2 months of the season. They get paid through end of April? or May? (really not sure). Either way that is 7 or 8 months. either way its 35.7% of the season or 31.25% of the season (assuming its one of those two).

So for those on the $500k bandwagon, forfeiting that much in salary for an extra 500k is a facile argument. It is simply un realistic.

not when you are ensuring that your NEXT contract starts at 3.5 or better.

It may not make sense to you, that's ok.

 

[Gardner McKay]

even if he loses 500k before the season starts, he'll still stand to make 1m over the course of the 3 years.

Its a 2 year deal no?

 

[Boruto]

Am I the only one that thinks Glen doesn't want to lose his control in negotiations in fear of too many players asking for too much and walking next year??!?!!

If we're all aware that there's currently no cap issue and cap issues can be dealt with by dealing players, then what's with the fixation on the cap? Sure, Glen wants to be as smart as he can be with the cap but I hardly think that this "cap world reality" Glen spoke to the media about directly was intended on elucidating the reality of just the Step negotiation.

 

[Boruto]

annually.

low end - 600K

high end - 700K

those are real numbers

that's alot of money

I know, I'm simply saying that everyone needs to drop the $500,000/$1,000,000 figures.

 

[Boruto]

I'm surprised that so many people think players are being paid already.

 

[Gardner McKay]

not when you are ensuring that your NEXT contract starts at 3.5 or better.

It may not make sense to you, that's ok.

Not really. If the QO is based off the second year (which I read some where on here) then it depends how the contract is structured. Hes not ensuring anything if he plays like **** the next two years and the Rangers don't Q him (unlikely). If he plays lights out he will guarantee himself well above 3.5. 3.5 has nothing to do with the next contract and more so how Stepan plays.

In some one like ROR's case it is much different based on level of play and QO.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Am I the only one that thinks Glen doesn't want to lose his control in negotiations in fear of too many players asking for too much and walking next year??!?!!

If we're all aware that there's currently no cap issue and cap issues can be dealt with by dealing players, then what's with the fixation on the cap? Sure, Glen wants to be as smart as he can be with the cap but I hardly think that this "cap world reality" Glen spoke to the media about directly was intended on elucidating the reality of just the Step negotiation.

No. I actually think that is a very realistic fear.

 

[GAGLine]

So if he holds out until halfway through December he has sat out 2 1/2 months of the season. They get paid through end of April? or May? (really not sure). Either way that is 7 or 8 months. either way its 35.7% of the season or 31.25% of the season (assuming its one of those two).

So for those on the $500k bandwagon, forfeiting that much in salary for an extra 500k is a facile argument. It is simply un realistic.

Let's not project on Stepan holding out until December just because of what another poster wrote. And just because Dreger said that Stepan won't sign before the season starts doesn't mean that he's right. What does he know?

The fact is, Stepan hasn't lost any money yet. Yes, we'd all like him to be in camp and gelling with the team and coaches. I'm sure Stepan would like that too. Does he really seem like the kind of kid who doesn't care about his teammates or fans?

He's doing what he needs to do, what he's being advised to do by his agent. Maybe at some point Stepan tells his agent to lower the number so they can get a deal done, but that time hasn't come yet. Characterizing either side as greedy or whatever isn't fair. I know some people need someone to blame when something doesn't go the way they hoped, but in this case, it's just a business deal that hasn't gotten done yet.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Am I the only one that thinks Glen doesn't want to lose his control in negotiations in fear of too many players asking for too much and walking next year??!?!!

If we're all aware that there's currently no cap issue and cap issues can be dealt with by dealing players, then what's with the fixation on the cap? Sure, Glen wants to be as smart as he can be with the cap but I hardly think that this "cap world reality" Glen spoke to the media about directly was intended on elucidating the reality of just the Step negotiation.

The cap will likely go up to $70M+ next year. Combine that with a likely Richards buy-out and that gives Sather more than $12M in cap room right off the bat.

I'd like to say that should be enough to deal with the potential mass exodus he's set up, but I'll never bet against Sather's propensity for slipping into cap issues.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Let's not project on Stepan holding out until December just because of what another poster wrote. And just because Dreger said that Stepan won't sign before the season starts doesn't mean that he's right. What does he know?

The fact is, Stepan hasn't lost any money yet. Yes, we'd all like him to be in camp and gelling with the team and coaches. I'm sure Stepan would like that too. Does he really seem like the kind of kid who doesn't care about his teammates or fans?

He's doing what he needs to do, what he's being advised to do by his agent. Maybe at some point Stepan tells his agent to lower the number so they can get a deal done, but that time hasn't come yet. Characterizing either side as greedy or whatever isn't fair. I know some people need someone to blame when something doesn't go the way they hoped, but in this case, it's just a business deal that hasn't gotten done yet.

I don't think he will. I think he will be signed before the season starts. But the lack of financial understanding by some on here is to frustrating to leave un commented some times.

Also I think everything you said there is pretty damn accurate.

 

[Balej20]

I'd hold out right now for a 10% increase in my own salary. And $500k is not 10% of $3 million.

You would hold out of your low wage job for a 10% increase? You can't be serious...

 

[Boruto]

The cap will likely go up to $70M+ next year. Combine that with a likely Richards buy-out and that gives Sather more than $12M in cap room right off the bat.

I'd like to say that should be enough to deal with the potential mass exodus he's set up, but I'll never bet against Sather's propensity for slipping into cap issues.

Right. It's projected to be at $70M+ but what if it falls short by say $2M? That $2M is enough to derail one important contract. What is Richards is injured? I'm not *****ing about the decision to retain Richards but what if he's injured?

Also, what if the cap is at $70M+ with Richards bought out? I don't think Glen wants players to have the idea that holding out can get them closer to what they want. There is never enough money. If we can get things done for $67M, we can sign another winger at $2.5M. Always more reasons to save than not.