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Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

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I read it from Boom Boom's post but I left out the "about" bit :laugh:

Either way, this is getting old real fast. AV says he won't hold anything against Step but it won't be up to AV's mindfulness of his clean slate philosophy when doing an all encompassing evaluation of Stepan.

I am quite shocked at how long Step has held out for. There are a few guys I thought would never hold out in these situations including Henrik and Mats and Stepan WAS on that list of players.
 
JohnC said:
There's something about Larry Brooks that makes him my least trusted of the Rangers beat writers. Not sure why
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He's warranted it... last 7-9 years he's been better, but he set an MO early on, unfortunately it'll always follow him... mind you, I'm 27 but I remember being 12 and like WTF?
 
JohnC said:
There's something about Larry Brooks that makes him my least trusted of the Rangers beat writers. Not sure why
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Maybe it's because he makes it obvious that he hates the Rangers and looks for any excuse to dump on them.
 
Approximately 2.9 to 3.5 is closer to a difference of a half million than a million. What's the big deal here?

2 years at 3.25 c'mon
 
JCrusty said:
I read it from Boom Boom's post but I left out the "about" bit :laugh:

Either way, this is getting old real fast. AV says he won't hold anything against Step but it won't be up to AV's mindfulness of his clean slate philosophy when doing an all encompassing evaluation of Stepan.

I am quite shocked at how long Step has held out for. There are a few guys I thought would never hold out in these situations including Henrik and Mats and Stepan WAS on that list of players.
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You have to remember this is a business. Just because someone's a nice guy doesn't mean he won't try to do what's best for his finances.
 
RangerBoy said:
http://nypost.com/2013/09/18/vigneault-not-thinking-about-holdout-stepan/
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lol Monte Cristo (Danny Kristo).

Slats has to absolutely know that Stepan is not going to take 2.9M considering the other similar 2 year bridge deals that have been dealt by other clubs the past two seasons. Kadri comes to mind instantly as the most recent and the kid has only one season, if that, under his belt. It's def, at minimum, going to take 3.2M unless Stepan is willing to take less for the sake of helping the club.

I see exactly where Step is coming from but I'd love to know where he thinks we're getting this extra cap space from. He better be working out and skating on his own in the meantime and hope that this doesn't carry on into the season like Subban.
 
redfzn said:
lol Monte Cristo (Danny Kristo).

Slats has to absolutely know that Stepan is not going to take 2.9M considering the other similar 2 year bridge deals that have been dealt by other clubs the past two seasons. Kadri comes to mind instantly as the most recent and the kid has only one season, if that, under his belt. It's def, at minimum, going to take 3.2M unless Stepan is willing to take less for the sake of helping the club.

I see exactly where Step is coming from but I'd love to know where he thinks we're getting this extra cap space from. He better be working out and skating on his own in the meantime and hope that this doesn't carry on into the season like Subban.
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His agent knows exactly how much cap space we have. We can afford 3.5 pretty easily, but Slats isn't going to give a penny more than he has to.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
You have to remember this is a business. Just because someone's a nice guy doesn't mean he won't try to do what's best for his finances.
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It's a business yes. However, in business, this would be considered bad faith. Since I was corrected of the actual figures reported from both sides, I can't say for certain who's responsible for the bad faith because the difference is $600,000 a year and only that. I'm certainly not saying this is a minor amount of money but in contract talks where the terms and conditions have been agreed upon and that being a bridge deal, the amount of money is the last thing on the check list. A difference of $600,000 per year was resolved by OTT in their latest contract stalemate.

The lack of serious negotiation and ongoing discussions is evident by the lack of progress. It's a business but at some point, it's bad faith. I understand management is trying to control a cap and there's no doubt that they've reserved enough for Stepan. For some reason, they're not settling at around $3.25M. Who's unwilling to adjust their offer and stance and expressing bad faith? I don't know but Matt Oates hasn't been very smart.
 
JCrusty said:
It's a business yes. However, in business, this would be considered bad faith. Since I was corrected of the actual figures reported from both sides, I can't say for certain who's responsible for the bad faith because the difference is $600,000 a year and only that. I'm certainly not saying this is a minor amount of money but in contract talks where the terms and conditions have been agreed upon and that being a bridge deal, the amount of money is the last thing on the check list. A difference of $600,000 per year was resolved by OTT in their latest contract stalemate.

The lack of serious negotiation and ongoing discussions is evident by the lack of progress. It's a business but at some point, it's bad faith. I understand management is trying to control a cap and there's no doubt that they've reserved enough for Stepan. For some reason, they're not settling at around $3.25M. Who's unwilling to adjust their offer and stance and expressing bad faith? I don't know but Matt Oates hasn't been very smart.
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This is posturing, not bad faith. I realize you may have a much looser definition of "bad faith" than others, so I could understand why you feel this way. The reality is this is a negotiation with both sides doing exactly what they're supposed to. Hell, "bad faith" negotiating can lead to non-binding contracts.

Slats knows he won't get by on Kadri money, Stepan ('s agent) knows he won't get Duchene money - just how much of that difference goes either way depends solely on the only leg Stepan can stand on, holding out.

Ultimately, I know where you're coming from and I think your point is a valid one. I can't help but feel the more preseason Steps misses the slower start he'll have, and further behind the ball he'll be when he gets back. Hopefully not of course!
 
At the end of the day, both sides need to be satisfied with the contract, or there's no use signing it. It'll get done. No worries.
 
I did use the term badly. Take the deception out of bad faith I suppose. Posturing certainly has a limit. One or both sides must be resistant enough for there to be no progress made when the only thing that's in question is $500,000 a year. Posturing leads to stalemates. Negotiation backdrops can be sometime like this or something much easier. I suspect this is both the tactical approach Glen and co. Has always had (as well as most other GMs but perhaps less so than Glen) and Oates insistence
 
While I don't blame Steps for trying to get the best deal possible, they need to settle this soon. There's a new coach trying to build a team and we need our #1 center to be a part of camp. We don't want a ROR-situation on our hands.

Just settle for 3,25/2 years and be done with it.
 
The Rangers have upped their offer. Brooks reported the Rangers were at $2.5M-$2.7M last week after Brooks reported it was $2.75M-$3M. Now its $2.9M. Kadri got $2.9M. McKenzie claims Stepan wants more than $3.5M. Brooks reports its $3.5M. McKenzie reported the Rangers are willing to pay a little more than $3M to get it done. $3.2M? $3.25M? The Rangers have a day off today in Banff. Its the charity golf tournament. They will practice for the next 3 days in Banff. It would be nice to have Stepan there. He is not that far from Minnesota in relation to Banff.
 
Is this going to turn into one of those "We aren't going to use X as an excuse" and then all we hear about is how slow of a start we got off to due to X and how we never really recovered from it?
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers have upped their offer. Brooks reported the Rangers were at $2.5M-$2.7M last week after Brooks reported it was $2.75M-$3M. Now its $2.9M. Kadri got $2.9M. McKenzie claims Stepan wants more than $3.5M. Brooks reports its $3.5M. McKenzie reported the Rangers are willing to pay a little more than $3M to get it done. $3.2M? $3.25M? The Rangers have a day off today in Banff. Its the charity golf tournament. They will practice for the next 3 days in Banff. It would be nice to have Stepan there. He is not that far from Minnesota in relation to Banff.
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Wuuuut?

For that poster that stated I do not understand negotiations. I present to you the above.
 
GAGLine said:
All that means is that we can't trust what is being reported.
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my point was that I stated earlier in this thread that Sather was probably offering 2.7 and bumped it to 2.9 due to the Kadri signing.

I was then told I didn't understand negotiation.

Granted, the number stated in the RB post may not be 100% accurate, but I sincerely doubt Sather ventured to 3 mill or north of on any counter.

I would venture a guess that both Stepan and Sather are probably more than fine at 3.2 or 3.3 per. However, that's the end game.

If Sather and the Rangers come in at 2.7 per, Stepan and his reps would be idiots to come in at anything less than 4 per.

The "fair" number is 3.35, however, teams usually win these things however slightly it may be so a contract at 3.2 or 3.25 is a number we can expect (a number everyone expects)

I often times do not get to pat myself on the back....I'm usually pulling out daggers.
 
pld459666 said:
I would venture a guess that both Stepan and Sather are probably more than fine at 3.2 or 3.3 per. However, that's the end game.
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I agree on those numbers. I just wish that both sides would get to it already. It's like with the CBA negotiations. We all know where it's going to end up, but neither side wants to be the first to acknowledge it for fear of weakening their position.
 
GAGLine said:
I agree on those numbers. I just wish that both sides would get to it already. It's like with the CBA negotiations. We all know where it's going to end up, but neither side wants to be the first to acknowledge it for fear of weakening their position.
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I was literally coming here to post the exact same thing.
 
Split the difference. $3.2M per.

Thats the # they should've arrived at a long time ago, and its pretty absurd a week+ into camp they've still yet to arrive there.
 
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