Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

[Tyson]

This may not be a popular opinion but no way I qualify Gurianov at 2.9.
I do what they did with Pitlick. Don't qualify him and then give him a 1.1 x 2 contract, or something like it.
I now see why Dallas got rid of him.

Yeah, I assume Farrell will be NHL ready. But maybe he won't. It will be even more of a log jam if both Farrell and Heineman are NHL ready. Because RHP and Ylonen clearly are, imo.

Yep, Heineman and Ylonen are ready and they have to find spots for them. Ylonen faces waivers and no way he wouldn't be claimed. Heineman is too good for the AHL and Farrell can spend time between Laval and Montreal. Hughes has a huge challenge this off season, move players for the next core to come in.

 

[26Mats]

This may not be a popular opinion but no way I qualify Gurianov at 2.9.
I do what they did with Pitlick. Don't qualify him and then give him a 1.1 x 2 contract, or something like it.
I now see why Dallas got rid of him.


Yep, Heineman and Ylonen are ready and they have to find spots for them. Ylonen faces waivers and no way he wouldn't be claimed. Heineman is too good for the AHL and Farrell can spend time between Laval and Montreal. Hughes has a huge challenge this off season, move players for the next core to come in.

Yeah, there will be a lot of candidates for the wing spots on the 4 lines:

Caufield - Slaf
Farrell - Gurianov
RHP - Anderson
Heineman - Ylonen
Gallagher
Laval: Pez, Belizle, Pitlick.

And that's if we can move out Hoffman and Armia. One of those 9 wingers likely has to either be in Laval or moved.

To me the key though is getting an upgrade on Dvo at center, because these young wingers need a good C to play with. We saw that guys like Farrell and Gurianov can'tdo much when Drouin is their center. PLD would be perfect. But if it makes sense to wait until summer 2024 for gim, so be it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This may not be a popular opinion but no way I qualify Gurianov at 2.9.
I do what they did with Pitlick. Don't qualify him and then give him a 1.1 x 2 contract, or something like it.
I now see why Dallas got rid of him.


Yep, Heineman and Ylonen are ready and they have to find spots for them. Ylonen faces waivers and no way he wouldn't be claimed. Heineman is too good for the AHL and Farrell can spend time between Laval and Montreal. Hughes has a huge challenge this off season, move players for the next core to come in.

There is a bit of a roster clutter if we can't move Hoffman and Armia. There is room for a few young players but RHP looks like he has the inside edge and Heineman has a good shot as well. If Farrell creeps into the mix as someone who earns a NHL spot, it gets cluttered.

So, what do we do with Gurianov? I think a lot depends on Hoffman & Armia and how RHP, Farrell, Heineman, and Ylonen look next season.

We can easily sign Gurianov to a one year $2.9M contract and we do have the cap room. But then I wonder, we are getting a good look at his game (skating/shot/size) now and do we see any more improvement for next year?

Gurianov might go in the Dubois trade package as the NHL contract. Not as the 1st or 2nd piece, but the 3rd piece. Beck, Habs 2nd and Gurianov. Seems low but that's a good offer if Dubois was traded at the 24 TDL so I do think it's competitive. Maybe we can throw in Tuch.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

He's now playing on our 4th line. There's no way we qualify him probably just let him go UFA. Too many wingers, as it is.

 

[26Mats]

He's now playing on our 4th line. There's no way we qualify him probably just let him go UFA. Too many wingers, as it is.

It was just the second half of one game that he was onnthe 4th line.

Things can change quickly in hockey. It may be the end of Gurianov in Montreal, or it may be MSL rewarding players who were playing well and sending a message to those who weren't.

At any rate, Gurianov is limited. He's not a complete hockey player onnthe offensive end, leaving out the defensive end for a moment. He has to play with a play driver that can get him the puck. If we think we want other players playing him with our good offensive centers (not Drouin or Tierney) then we might as well cut ties. But I hope we upgrade on Dvo to give the most of our winger possible the opportunity to play with a play driving center.

 

[BLONG7]

He went to the dogs as soon as he got a C named......................................I'll just leave that here.
Pretty sure we all know who has been his C the last few games....

They don't qualify him, but I think they may make him another offer at a cheaper deal.....
He has some tools and can skate and shoot the puck. Paired with the right guys, who knows.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He's now playing on our 4th line. There's no way we qualify him probably just let him go UFA. Too many wingers, as it is.

He doesn't look good with Drouin.. as most defensively lacking wingers will. Drouin is so shit defensively you can't have another bad defensive player with him or they spend the entire time in their own end..

 

[MarkovsKnee]

It was just the second half of one game that he was onnthe 4th line.

Things can change quickly in hockey. It may be the end of Gurianov in Montreal, or it may be MSL rewarding players who were playing well and sending a message to those who weren't.

At any rate, Gurianov is limited. He's not a complete hockey player onnthe offensive end, leaving out the defensive end for a moment. He has to play with a play driver that can get him the puck. If we think we want other players playing him with our good offensive centers (not Drouin or Tierney) then we might as well cut ties. But I hope we upgrade on Dvo to give the most of our winger possible the opportunity to play with a play driving center.

For a big guy he doesn't win a lot of pucks & board battles. Not a lot of physical effort.

 

[Scriptor]

Yeah, Dach and Matheson really put things into perspective.

I mean, with Gurianov, he's never going to be a great overall hockey player. The key will be to see if MSL can get him to not hurt us defensively and not kill too many offensive plays. The best possible Gurianov is probably someone that looks to get the puck to a good playmaking linemate like Dach (or Farrell ?) and then gets open for a shot or a rush down the wing. He can also make nifty plays on the rush, which is another good offensive tool. It's clear he has offensive talent. I doubt he'll ever be a physical player. But not everyone is.

Gurianov looks more and more like a shooting Drouin, instead of a playmaking Drouin. If both were on their game one night, Gurianov would score five goals, but synching a game in five for both might prove very difficult.

For a big guy he doesn't win a lot of pucks & board battles. Not a lot of physical effort.

Is it maybe that he doesn't know how to win those battles and it can be taught? If he wants, of course.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Gurianov looks more and more like a shooting Drouin, instead of a playmaking Drouin. If both were on their game one night, Gurianov would score five goals, but synching a game in five for both might prove very difficult.


Is it maybe that he doesn't know how to win those battles and it can be taught? If he wants, of course.

It's possible. He looks pretty awkward on the boards to me, and never has his stick positioned properly to actually win the puck.

 

[26Mats]

For a big guy he doesn't win a lot of pucks & board battles. Not a lot of physical effort.

I have seen none whatsoever. A very limited player, offensively, defensively, and with respect to physicality.

But if he can get you 25 to 30 and not hurt you defensively playing with a good play driving center....

Ultimately, I'm fine if management decides to end the experiment. But I'd rather send Hoffman and Armia to Laval, if they can't be moved, and give Gurianov a shot working with MSL, than have those two vets that aren't a part of the future in the lineup.

Gurianov looks more and more like a shooting Drouin, instead of a playmaking Drouin. If both were on their game one night, Gurianov would score five goals, but synching a game in five for both might prove very difficult.


Is it maybe that he doesn't know how to win those battles and it can be taught? If he wants, of course.

Anderson seems better at puck battles on the boards this year. If we decide to keep Gurianov, I also would be interested to see if MSL and his staff can work with him on his technics along the wall. I often see Gurianov turning the wrong way and not positioning his body in the right way to protect the puck, which has nothing to do with effort, imo.

 

[Sorinth]

For a big guy he doesn't win a lot of pucks & board battles. Not a lot of physical effort.

That's somewhat true but one aspect of his size and speed is that he'll draw penalties. So even if he's not physical his size still helps.

 

[Habby Patty]

There is a bit of a roster clutter if we can't move Hoffman and Armia. There is room for a few young players but RHP looks like he has the inside edge and Heineman has a good shot as well. If Farrell creeps into the mix as someone who earns a NHL spot, it gets cluttered.

So, what do we do with Gurianov? I think a lot depends on Hoffman & Armia and how RHP, Farrell, Heineman, and Ylonen look next season.

We can easily sign Gurianov to a one year $2.9M contract and we do have the cap room. But then I wonder, we are getting a good look at his game (skating/shot/size) now and do we see any more improvement for next year?

Gurianov might go in the Dubois trade package as the NHL contract. Not as the 1st or 2nd piece, but the 3rd piece. Beck, Habs 2nd and Gurianov. Seems low but that's a good offer if Dubois was traded at the 24 TDL so I do think it's competitive. Maybe we can throw in Tuch.

Why do you wanna trade Beck? Trade from our surplus aka LD

 

[Paddy17]

Keeping Gurianov or not would depend on how many forwards we are able to trade this summer. Like many people have said, we have too many forwards even after cutting ties with Drouin and Monahan.

I prefer keeping spots open for guys like RHP, Ylonen, Heineman and Farrell. RHP and Ylonen have shown that they belong, and they will get better with time. Both have shown more than Gurianov has so far. Heineman is still underrated by some, but what he's doing in Laval is not surprising. It's a continuation of Rookie and Main camp before he got injured. He just finds ways to score. Farrell - jury is still out on his NHL readiness, but he's shown good things last game. A few months until camp, and he could make another leap - smart players can improve in a span of a few months.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why do you wanna trade Beck? Trade from our surplus aka LD

I don't want to trade Beck. But I do believe we have to give one of Beck, Panthers 1st, or one of our RD's (Barron and Mailloux) and for that reason I would dangle Beck. Here is my reasoning

Center depth after the Beck+ for Dubois trade:
* Suzuki
* Dubois
* Dach
* One of (Bedard, Fantilli, Smith)
* Kidney
* Kapanen

Guhle and Xhekaj are not being traded. Hutson as well and I've talked to lots of Jets fans... they don't want Hutson (call them crazy or not).

Engstrom is maybe one I would have on the table. Not sure we should be trading him though. I do like how he is a rising stock. Might be gullible hope like it usually is but he's performed very well at the WJC and in the SHL playoffs. He may be on a steep development curve. I want to see one more season from him in the SHL

Harris? Harris as the prime piece is not going to get you Dubois

I want to protect the Panthers 1st and our RD's. And I want to see if we can trade down to get Reinbacher with the Panthers 1st. Adding another RD to our mix

Dubois, Smith, Reinbacher are my targets this summer. At the cost of Beck yes.

My offer today is
* Beck (Basically worth a 20-32 range 1st value today)
* Habs early 2nd (37-40 range... that has very good value)
* Gurianov or Harris (NHL contract)
* Maybe a B prospect add like Tuch. I might have Engstrom in that mix but I rather not

Jets are not getting both a RD and a Center from me.

 

[DAChampion]

Why do you wanna trade Beck? Trade from our surplus aka LD

The Habs have a surplus of current potential middle six forwards.

Beck, Mesar, Heinemen, Gurianov, Kidney, Anderson, Gallagher, Farrell, Harvey Pinard, Ylonen, Dvorak, Hoffman, Armia.

I'm probably forgetting a few.

Add a few at least that will be drafted this year.

Hughes will need to trade four quarters for a dollar.

 

[MXD]

We'll already have quite a bit of deadweight next season, no need to keep the dead weight that we aren't contractually obliged to keep.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The Habs have a surplus of current potential middle six forwards.

Beck, Mesar, Heinemen, Gurianov, Kidney, Anderson, Gallagher, Farrell, Harvey Pinard, Ylonen, Dvorak, Hoffman, Armia.

I'm probably forgetting a few.

Add a few at least that will be drafted this year.

Hughes will need to trade four quarters for a dollar.

They don't have a surplus of centers. Beck and Kidney are the only centers you've listed. With Kidney unlikely to be an ideal fit behind Suzuki, Dach and other potential picks/acquisitions and play a shut down role.

Not to mention Gurianov, Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak, Hoffman and Armia are not important to the future and should not be considered as pieces that will stick,

 

[rik schau]

For a big guy he doesn't win a lot of pucks & board battles. Not a lot of physical effort.

I'd rather have a healthy Paul Byron. Byron was always hitting and a smart player. Hope he is doing well ,have heard squat about him.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

I'd rather have a healthy Paul Byron. Byron was always hitting and a smart player. Hope he is doing well ,have heard squat about him.

That fight ended him, he was never the same after. Completely ridiculous that he felt he had to take a beating from that guy. He should have refused to fight he didn't have anything to prove. Ridiculous that his team mates let him fight too. The guy was way too big for him.

 

[rik schau]

That fight ended him, he was never the same after. Completely ridiculous that he felt he had to take a beating from that guy. He should have refused to fight he didn't have anything to prove. Ridiculous that his team mates let him fight too. The guy was way too big for him.

This is the hit that led to the fight,still don't think it was worthy of a 3 game suspension and Paul should not have felt obliged to take on a much larger player.



Don't recall if Gerbe got suspended,but handled himself well.

 

[ottawa]

I don't want to trade Beck. But I do believe we have to give one of Beck, Panthers 1st, or one of our RD's (Barron and Mailloux) and for that reason I would dangle Beck. Here is my reasoning

Center depth after the Beck+ for Dubois trade:
* Suzuki
* Dubois
* Dach
* One of (Bedard, Fantilli, Smith)
* Kidney
* Kapanen

Guhle and Xhekaj are not being traded. Hutson as well and I've talked to lots of Jets fans... they don't want Hutson (call them crazy or not).

Engstrom is maybe one I would have on the table. Not sure we should be trading him though. I do like how he is a rising stock. Might be gullible hope like it usually is but he's performed very well at the WJC and in the SHL playoffs. He may be on a steep development curve. I want to see one more season from him in the SHL

Harris? Harris as the prime piece is not going to get you Dubois

I want to protect the Panthers 1st and our RD's. And I want to see if we can trade down to get Reinbacher with the Panthers 1st. Adding another RD to our mix

Dubois, Smith, Reinbacher are my targets this summer. At the cost of Beck yes.

My offer today is
* Beck (Basically worth a 20-32 range 1st value today)
* Habs early 2nd (37-40 range... that has very good value)
* Gurianov or Harris (NHL contract)
* Maybe a B prospect add like Tuch. I might have Engstrom in that mix but I rather not

Jets are not getting both a RD and a Center from me.

Why the heck are we paying so much for a guy that wants to come here?

We have all the leveraged but are being taken to the cleaners lol

 

[Tyson]

There is a bit of a roster clutter if we can't move Hoffman and Armia. There is room for a few young players but RHP looks like he has the inside edge and Heineman has a good shot as well. If Farrell creeps into the mix as someone who earns a NHL spot, it gets cluttered.

So, what do we do with Gurianov? I think a lot depends on Hoffman & Armia and how RHP, Farrell, Heineman, and Ylonen look next season.

We can easily sign Gurianov to a one year $2.9M contract and we do have the cap room. But then I wonder, we are getting a good look at his game (skating/shot/size) now and do we see any more improvement for next year?

Gurianov might go in the Dubois trade package as the NHL contract. Not as the 1st or 2nd piece, but the 3rd piece. Beck, Habs 2nd and Gurianov. Seems low but that's a good offer if Dubois was traded at the 24 TDL so I do think it's competitive. Maybe we can throw in Tuch.

You think Ylonen gets packaged this off season?

 

[Habs Halifax]

You think Ylonen gets packaged this off season?

Not sure. Might be involved in a Hoffman or Eddy trade as a add on. Hard to say.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

This is the hit that led to the fight,still don't think it was worthy of a 3 game suspension and Paul should not have felt obliged to take on a much larger player.



Don't recall if Gerbe got suspended,but handled himself well.

It's disgusting to see Paul get a beating like that, could have ended much worse too. Did we even have 1 guy brave enough to tell Paul "you're not fighting this guy Paul, avoid him, I'm fighting him" and then go up to buddy and tell him "If you want to hit Paul with a clean hit during the game that's fine but you're not fighting him you're fighting me".