LeBrun: DeBrincat will most likely be traded, agent has submitted list of preferred destinations

[SensFactor]

And Ottawa is bent over a barrel if they want to replace Debrincat with Tarasenko. The whole reason why Debrincat is getting talked about going as cheaply as he is... Ottawa can't afford his contract if they don't make other moves and they'll struggle to do so next year as well. Of places Debrincat will allow a trade, only Detroit has the space to not require Ottawa to take something back.

It's all well and good that you're "dealing a top 6 for getting potential... but it's really about you're gonna lose a player for a drastically reduced price in a year and have to upend your team a bit to keep him before you lose him for little.

If you want to chase Tarasenko, you need to do this. Dorion screwed the pooch for you.

There are always moves GMs can make to get players under the cap. I don't think its so doom and gloom that the Sens will give away Debrincat to a division rival for scraps. Sens can easily get a first rounder at the deadline from another team at a minimum especially if Debricat is back to his old scoring self and he plays for another year in Ottawa.

 

[wingerdinger]

This would be a huge issue in a two team league. If Detroit doesn’t want to trade for Debrincat, he will be dealt somewhere else. Very, very simple, and probably what will happen.


lol

Yeah but what's the viable market for DeBrincat looking like? Not that great.

If Ottawa can find a better deal, then more power to you.

I dont think Alex turns the wings into a playoff team let alone a contender. We can pass.

I thought it was Brady embarrassing the Detroit bench his that did it.

Agree I was begging for Seider to retaliate anyway. Never so embarrassed to be a wings fan.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

So, is this correct? Yzerplan wants DeBrincat sign 5 x 7,5 but their camp wants 8 x 8,75 - 9,0.

" However, Yzerman is a tough negotiator. The Wings won’t make anything official until reaching an agreement with DeBrincat. Yzerman does not like long-term deals no matter who is the player because he does not want a situation where DeBrincat is stumbling across the ice like a drunken sailor at age 34 or 35 "

" DeBrincat wants an eight-year deal valued at between $8.75 million to $9 million per season "

" Yzerman won’t move off five-years at $7.5 million a year. The number of years is more important to Yzerman than the money "

" DeBrincat, 25, says he wants to play for the Red Wings but in his defense this is his last chance at a big contract "

If that is correct, i just can't see Alex DeBrincat and Detroit Red Wings happen, they are too far apart in the negotiations
Islanders might not have ATM cap space for Brinksy but Lou will pay what ever DeBrincat's camp asks, no doubt.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

So, is this correct? Yzerplan wants DeBrincat sign 5 x 7,5 but their camp wants 8 x 8,75 - 9,0.

" However, Yzerman is a tough negotiator. The Wings won’t make anything official until reaching an agreement with DeBrincat. Yzerman does not like long-term deals no matter who is the player because he does not want a situation where DeBrincat is stumbling across the ice like a drunken sailor at age 34 or 35 "

" DeBrincat wants an eight-year deal valued at between $8.75 million to $9 million per season "

" Yzerman won’t move off five-years at $7.5 million a year. The number of years is more important to Yzerman than the money "

" DeBrincat, 25, says he wants to play for the Red Wings but in his defense this is his last chance at a big contract "

If that is correct, i just can't see Alex DeBrincat and Detroit Red Wings happen, they are too far apart in the negotiations
Islanders might not have ATM cap space for Brinksy but Lou will pay what ever DeBrincat's camp asks, no doubt.

Absolutely anything you hear about Yzermans opinion, plan, thoughts, goals, ect.. unless from his lips is to be taken with a grain of salt. Even if it comes from Detroit media. Yzerman is CIA levels secretive with what he does.

So anything currently leaking about this situation is from other camps, not Yzermans camp.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I truly think that Yzerman did a Yzerman thing - he made a take it or leave it offer and walked away ages ago to await a response.

That being said, I think the offer was not up to Dorion’s expectations and he has been doing the absolute responsible thing and that’s trying to find better options or to improve the offer through competing bids, and I’m not sure how much success he’s having whether it’s his expectation or if it’s Debrincat’s camp going “we’re not signing with you”

And now it just comes down to how long this is all going to drag out - arbitration seems like a likely spot? But even going with a locked in 7.65 for a 1yr deal, there’s nothing stopping Dorion from riding out to the TDL where he will likely get at least a late round 1st from a contender who really won’t care for an extension and just wants the playoff push.

Any which way at this point, I think unless there is a really overwhelming feeling to get DBC out of OTT for whatever reason: culture, cap, just because… whatever. This feels like a wait, can’t blame any of the parties for just riding it out at this point but this has been very draining

 

[norrisnick]

I truly think that Yzerman did a Yzerman thing - he made a take it or leave it offer and walked away ages ago to await a response.

That being said, I think the offer was not up to Dorion’s expectations and he has been doing the absolute responsible thing and that’s trying to find better options or to improve the offer through competing bids, and I’m not sure how much success he’s having whether it’s his expectation or if it’s Debrincat’s camp going “we’re not signing with you”

And now it just comes down to how long this is all going to drag out - arbitration seems like a likely spot? But even going with a locked in 7.65 for a 1yr deal, there’s nothing stopping Dorion from riding out to the TDL where he will likely get at least a late round 1st from a contender who really won’t care for an extension and just wants the playoff push.

Any which way at this point, I think unless there is a really overwhelming feeling to get DBC out of OTT for whatever reason: culture, cap, just because… whatever. This feels like a wait, can’t blame any of the parties for just riding it out at this point but this has been very draining

There is no guarantee that DeBrincat doesn't get his full QO. Caufield signing for what he signed gives DeBrincat's camp an easy comp.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

There is no guarantee that DeBrincat doesn't get his full QO. Caufield signing for what he signed gives DeBrincat's camp an easy comp.

And that comparison would be largely dismissed by any arbitrator.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

There is no guarantee that DeBrincat doesn't get his full QO. Caufield signing for what he signed gives DeBrincat's camp an easy comp.

Sure, 7-8-9-10. /shrug. I don’t think that really changes the sequence of events. Does 7.6 vs 9 really change Dorions position all that much and what he needs to do to make any of thsi work? The point is - I don’t see an immediate solve

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Ha, yeah, that was the measuring stick for the Red Wings sell off.

At least the Red Wings staff make the right choices and sell instead of buy like the Senators and look like idiots missing the playoffs trying really hard.

It'll be interesting for sure to see them play this year. They're measuring sticks imo for eachothers rebuild progress, but, Idk if it's a rivalry, lol, neither team won/winning much as of late.

The Sens traded A+B+C assets for Chychrun, swapped Motte for Julien Gauthier & a 7th, and traded a 6th for Patrick Brown. Politely, what the f*** are you talking about?

 

[Golden_Jet]

The lowest they can get him is 7.85M, so under 8M is splitting hairs. He's getting 8M give or take. We're talking about 150K less than 8M in the best of scenarios. Sens are already close to the cap. They can trade him with retention after July 1rst only. At that point chances are you trade him as a rental.

If you trade him you need someone to take his spot and teams trading for a rental will look to add to their roster and not substract key players.

This is not considering that the Sens will sit at approximately 3.5M over the cap if he comes back at 7.85M. so that means they need to trade someone and teams will see Ottawa coming from a mile away.

And again what happens if he gets injured. Do you take that risk?

This is not a good option. This is a last resort. Again if I'm Yzerman I call Dorion's bluff here. You won't trade him? Okay fine good luck with making your roster cap compliant and substracting from your current non-existant depth. I'll sign Debrincat in the summer...

7.65 is lowest

 

[norrisnick]

And that comparison would be largely dismissed by any arbitrator.

Right, because DeBrincat is a clearly more established player with higher value. Which puts the $7.825M AAV below the floor of the expected arb return. Not to mention that Cole's actual pay this coming season is $9.975M.

 

[BondraTime]

So, is this correct? Yzerplan wants DeBrincat sign 5 x 7,5 but their camp wants 8 x 8,75 - 9,0.

" However, Yzerman is a tough negotiator. The Wings won’t make anything official until reaching an agreement with DeBrincat. Yzerman does not like long-term deals no matter who is the player because he does not want a situation where DeBrincat is stumbling across the ice like a drunken sailor at age 34 or 35 "

" DeBrincat wants an eight-year deal valued at between $8.75 million to $9 million per season "

" Yzerman won’t move off five-years at $7.5 million a year. The number of years is more important to Yzerman than the money "

" DeBrincat, 25, says he wants to play for the Red Wings but in his defense this is his last chance at a big contract "

If that is correct, i just can't see Alex DeBrincat and Detroit Red Wings happen, they are too far apart in the negotiations
Islanders might not have ATM cap space for Brinksy but Lou will pay what ever DeBrincat's camp asks, no doubt.

No he won’t, he’s not a dummy

Believe it or not, NHL GM’s and George doesn’t see eye to eye on most things.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Right, because DeBrincat is a clearly more established player with higher value. Which puts the $7.825M AAV below the floor of the expected arb return. Not to mention that Cole's actual pay this coming season is $9.975M.

No… because it is 2nd versus 3rd contract, 1yr versus 8, signed a year out from expiry, not starting for over a year after Cats arbitration, and so on. Take it from someone who has written an arbitration brief for an NHL player in this exact position. Or don’t, whatever.

 

[BondraTime]

And that comparison would be largely dismissed by any arbitrator.

Yeah, arbitration isn’t a complicated process. Caulfield and Debrincat aren’t arbitration comparable players whatsoever, the arbitrator would just dismiss it immediately.

 

[dirtydanglez]

No… because it is 2nd versus 3rd contract, 1yr versus 8, signed a year out from expiry, not starting for over a year after Cats arbitration, and so on. Take it from someone who has written an arbitration brief for an NHL player in this exact position. Or don’t, whatever.

well lets get an expert opinion. lets here your brief for debrincat.

 

[norrisnick]

No… because it is 2nd versus 3rd contract, 1yr versus 8, signed a year out from expiry, not starting for over a year after Cats arbitration, and so on. Take it from someone who has written an arbitration brief for an NHL player in this exact position. Or don’t, whatever.

Caufield's contract is for this coming season. Not a year from now.

Good luck with comparables if you're looking for players 1 year out from UFA that signed 1 year deals...

 

[BondraTime]

Caufield's contract is for this coming season. Not a year from now.

Good luck with comparables if you're looking for players 1 year out from UFA that signed 1 year deals...

That’s literally what arbitration is. A tool to find a salary based on comparables. Caulfield would not ever be brought up in an arb case for DBC.

Bratt? 100% would be, and would be a fine comparison at the same amount as Caulfield. Caulfield? Would get thrown out as incomparable immediately.

 

[KevinRedkey]

The lowest they can get him is 7.85M, so under 8M is splitting hairs. He's getting 8M give or take. We're talking about 150K less than 8M in the best of scenarios. Sens are already close to the cap. They can trade him with retention after July 1rst only. At that point chances are you trade him as a rental.

If you trade him you need someone to take his spot and teams trading for a rental will look to add to their roster and not substract key players.

This is not considering that the Sens will sit at approximately 3.5M over the cap if he comes back at 7.85M. so that means they need to trade someone and teams will see Ottawa coming from a mile away.

And again what happens if he gets injured. Do you take that risk?

This is not a good option. This is a last resort. Again if I'm Yzerman I call Dorion's bluff here. You won't trade him? Okay fine good luck with making your roster cap compliant and substracting from your current non-existant depth. I'll sign Debrincat in the summer...

Kind of nitpicking here but I believe it's 7.650 and not 7.850

I understand your POV either way though.

 

[norrisnick]

That’s literally what arbitration is. A tool to find a salary based on comparables. Caulfield would not ever be brought up in an arb case for DBC.

Bratt? 100% would be, and would be a fine comparison at the same amount as Caulfield. Caulfield? Would get thrown out as incomparable immediately.

Bratt is an 8 year deal. Sorry... "1yr versus 8"

But if you're insistent on Bratt, he makes $10M this coming season.

 

[iCanada]

There are always moves GMs can make to get players under the cap. I don't think its so doom and gloom that the Sens will give away Debrincat to a division rival for scraps. Sens can easily get a first rounder at the deadline from another team at a minimum especially if Debricat is back to his old scoring self and he plays for another year in Ottawa.

There are always moves, doesn't mean there is always good moves that don't hurt a lot.

I'd know as an Oilers fan grieving Kostin, but if you don't trust me just ask Bruins fans.

 

[BondraTime]

Bratt is an 8 year deal. Sorry... "1yr versus 8"

But if you're insistent on Bratt, he makes $10M this coming season.

Yes, Bratt is by far his best comparable. Yes, Bratt makes 10 million this year. Also has nothing to do with Arbitration. Less goals, similar points.

Do you know how arbitration works? Because it has nothing to do with what you seem to be describing.

“The evidence that is allowed to be presented during these hearings included a player's performance/statistics, injury history, length of service, leadership qualities and contribution to the team's results.

Teams/players cannot use other players' salaries or the state of the team's cap situation during these discussions. “

“Inadmissible evidence includes many specifics surrounding who is a comparable player. The comparable player needs to be a Group 2 RFA coming off of the last year of their contract. The comparable player’s position, age, career games, and average ice time should also be as comparable as possible”

 

[dirtydanglez]

bratt, kyrou, dubois, and fiala are pretty good comparables. i think he would get $8m, maybe a hair more.

 

[norrisnick]

Yes, Bratt is by far his best comparable. Yes, Bratt makes 10 million this year. Also has nothing to do with Arbitration. Less goals, similar points.

Do you know how arbitration works? Because it has nothing to do with what you seem to be describing.

“The evidence that is allowed to be presented during these hearings included a player's performance/statistics, injury history, length of service, leadership qualities and contribution to the team's results.

Teams/players cannot use other players' salaries or the state of the team's cap situation during these discussions. “

“Inadmissible evidence includes many specifics surrounding who is a comparable player. The comparable player needs to be a Group 2 RFA coming off of the last year of their contract. The comparable player’s position, age, career games, and average ice time should also be as comparable as possible”

You can 100% use other players' salaries. Otherwise the whole concept of comparable players is meaningless if you don't have a contract to compare the players against.

The key will be the lists both sides make and how they hash that out prior to the hearing. As a Group 2 coming off the final contract year, Caufield is eligible to be used as a comparable. Whether he's the best fit or not will take some debate, and that's what the whole process is about. Debate.

 

[Random Comment]

Noone is questioning that, thts a universally agreed upon fact. They are questioning that what they gave up is less than Kubalik + Berggren + Bost 1st…

It’s very much not though? At the time it was viewed as a fleecing for Ottawa. In hindsight, they gave up too much, but that’s not how you evaluate trades.

 

[BondraTime]

It’s very much not though? At the time it was viewed as a fleecing for Ottawa. In hindsight, they gave up too much, but that’s not how you evaluate trades.

It absolutely is, it’s honestly astonishing to me that anyone could possibly disagree. Like, beyond astonishing.

It’s literally as simple as asking if the wings would give up the player Ottawa would have taken at the pick they gave up. He’s theirs, they value that because he’s been in their possession for a year without a doubt, but that’s what Ottawa gave up, they knew he was there, and he is the guy whom the Sens were all over.

They absolutely wouldn’t trade him, because it’s worth a hell of a lot more than any combination of Berggren, Bos 1st and Kubalik.

The Sens made an idiotic, overpayment regardless of hindsight. Without a contract signed, it was a bad deal. Now, they will ship him off for a very large decrease in value, that will likely include 2 of those pieces +, or equivalent value.